Comments on: Big Business Says Regulate Us to Save the Planet http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:31:59 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: DrDave http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734912 DrDave Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:16:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734912 <p>Handy shopping guide<br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/NoGmo" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/NoGmo</a></p> Handy shopping guide
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]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734726 selise Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:14:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734726 <p>i’ve got to go, will check back here later if anyone leaves me any links to the science behind the goals. if the rate of change is front loaded, it may be great - but if it’s 20 years out that’s a problem. i think it’s worth knowing which it is.</p> i’ve got to go, will check back here later if anyone leaves me any links to the science behind the goals. if the rate of change is front loaded, it may be great – but if it’s 20 years out that’s a problem. i think it’s worth knowing which it is.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734719 selise Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:11:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734719 <blockquote><p>They’re going to meet Rudd’s target a full decade ahead of schedule.</p></blockquote> <p>i checked your link and did not see any greenhouse gas targets. did i miss them?</p>

They’re going to meet Rudd’s target a full decade ahead of schedule.

i checked your link and did not see any greenhouse gas targets. did i miss them?

]]> By: Alison http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734714 Alison Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:09:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734714 <p>Perfect material for my lecture on regulation in the CSR class I teach. Thanks, Siun!</p> Perfect material for my lecture on regulation in the CSR class I teach. Thanks, Siun!

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734713 selise Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:09:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734713 <p>i’m happy to celebrate small progress so long as we don’t confuse it with what is actually needed and so let it distract us from the real work at hand. i’m not objecting to baby steps, i’m questioning your claim that the goals you posts are “the standards of most environmental activists.” i just don’t think that’s so.</p> <p><a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf" rel="nofollow">ipcc pfd</a><br /><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d3e78456-0bde-11dd-9840-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">stern</a><br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14834318/" rel="nofollow">hanson</a> (via hugh)<br /><a href="http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/publications/journal_papers/fulltext.pdf" rel="nofollow">Reframing the climate change challenge in light of post-2000 emission trends (pdf)</a> (via kirk)</p> <p>this isn’t fussing, this is trying to understand and get it right - according to the best science that’s available. and if the dems aren’t talking about doing enough that’s a problem</p> i’m happy to celebrate small progress so long as we don’t confuse it with what is actually needed and so let it distract us from the real work at hand. i’m not objecting to baby steps, i’m questioning your claim that the goals you posts are “the standards of most environmental activists.” i just don’t think that’s so.

ipcc pfd
stern
hanson (via hugh)
Reframing the climate change challenge in light of post-2000 emission trends (pdf) (via kirk)

this isn’t fussing, this is trying to understand and get it right – according to the best science that’s available. and if the dems aren’t talking about doing enough that’s a problem

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734704 Phoenix Woman Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:01:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734704 <p>Selise, <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/11/20-percent-renewable-energy-for-south-australia-10-years-ahead-of-schedule.php?daylife=1" rel="nofollow">check this out</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>South Australia’s ninth wind farm just opened on the Barunga Ranges near <a href="http://www.trustpower.co.nz/Content/Generation/WindFarms/Snowtown.aspx" rel="nofollow">Snowtown</a>. Its 47 turbines, installed by Trust Power of New Zealand, (who already operate that countries largest wind farm at <a href="http://www.trustpower.co.nz/Content/Generation/WindFarms/Tararua.aspx" rel="nofollow">Tararua</a>), are said to have the capacity to deliver over 98MW of electricity. The company reckon this output should provide sufficient power for around 70,000 Australian households. </p> <p>Not only was this project completed ahead of schedule, but it allows the state of South Australia to claim that they now produce almost 60% of Australia’s wind power. Additionally it means that South Australia is poised to meet Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s target for all states to produce 20% of their energy from renewable sources by 2020. </p> </blockquote> <p>Got that? They’re going to meet Rudd’s target a full decade ahead of schedule.</p> <p>Oh, and as I mentioned, <a href="http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2008/11/21/4792/some_fantastically_good_news_on_power_consumption" rel="nofollow">the US has already started cutting back on energy usage (and not because of the economic downturn, either)</a>.</p> Selise, check this out:

South Australia’s ninth wind farm just opened on the Barunga Ranges near Snowtown. Its 47 turbines, installed by Trust Power of New Zealand, (who already operate that countries largest wind farm at Tararua), are said to have the capacity to deliver over 98MW of electricity. The company reckon this output should provide sufficient power for around 70,000 Australian households.

Not only was this project completed ahead of schedule, but it allows the state of South Australia to claim that they now produce almost 60% of Australia’s wind power. Additionally it means that South Australia is poised to meet Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s target for all states to produce 20% of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Got that? They’re going to meet Rudd’s target a full decade ahead of schedule.

Oh, and as I mentioned, the US has already started cutting back on energy usage (and not because of the economic downturn, either).

]]> By: Siun http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734692 Siun Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:52:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734692 <p>Larue … I certainly see things happening that suggest people and powers are starting to move. Change does not happen in an instant, it needs to begin and gather momentum and it needs our help and support.</p> <p>I often wonder what would have happened if MLK had given up and said well, gosh, we haven’t elected a black president so let’s not push for voting rights …</p> Larue … I certainly see things happening that suggest people and powers are starting to move. Change does not happen in an instant, it needs to begin and gather momentum and it needs our help and support.

I often wonder what would have happened if MLK had given up and said well, gosh, we haven’t elected a black president so let’s not push for voting rights …

]]> By: Siun http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734690 Siun Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:50:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734690 <p>Selise - go to the Bicep link and read what these companies are asking for and what they plan to do. They are requesting regulation that will enforce stricter standards than the Dems are talking about. I don’t see how you can call this greenwashing when they are *asking* for regulation to the standards of most environmental activists. </p> <p>Consider this:</p> <p>“People aren’t reducing emissions at all, let alone debating whether 88 percent or 99 percent is sufficient,” said Gavin A. Schmidt, of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “It’s like you’re starting off on a road trip from New York to California, and before you even start, you’re arguing about where you’re going to park at the end.”</p> <p>Now we can fuss that they are not going far enough or we can celebrate the idea that some big corporations are pushing for a serious goal and get to work. I prefer the second option and I’m glad some players with heft are taking away Congress’s excuses for regulation.</p> Selise – go to the Bicep link and read what these companies are asking for and what they plan to do. They are requesting regulation that will enforce stricter standards than the Dems are talking about. I don’t see how you can call this greenwashing when they are *asking* for regulation to the standards of most environmental activists.

Consider this:

“People aren’t reducing emissions at all, let alone debating whether 88 percent or 99 percent is sufficient,” said Gavin A. Schmidt, of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “It’s like you’re starting off on a road trip from New York to California, and before you even start, you’re arguing about where you’re going to park at the end.”

Now we can fuss that they are not going far enough or we can celebrate the idea that some big corporations are pushing for a serious goal and get to work. I prefer the second option and I’m glad some players with heft are taking away Congress’s excuses for regulation.

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734686 Larue Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:45:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734686 <p>“. . . . the potential for geopolitical conflict over energy resources could be severe.”</p> <p>Hmm, 17 years? My guess, it’s coming inside ten years . . . and, so is my guess that science will FIND alt energy source(s) within 10, as the barriers to RESEARCHING FOR IT and killing bought out patents past and present are broken down. </p> <p>Between bought out technology that was suppressed to further the needle plunge of a fossil fuel lifestyle into our arms and R&D, I’d bet in 10 years we won’t recognize the planet. </p> <p>But hey, I wasn’t ALWAYS this optimistic in my life . . . ;-) Not since the 60’s . . . LOL</p> “. . . . the potential for geopolitical conflict over energy resources could be severe.”

Hmm, 17 years? My guess, it’s coming inside ten years . . . and, so is my guess that science will FIND alt energy source(s) within 10, as the barriers to RESEARCHING FOR IT and killing bought out patents past and present are broken down.

Between bought out technology that was suppressed to further the needle plunge of a fossil fuel lifestyle into our arms and R&D, I’d bet in 10 years we won’t recognize the planet.

But hey, I wasn’t ALWAYS this optimistic in my life . . . ;-) Not since the 60’s . . . LOL

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734683 Larue Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:41:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/21/big-business-says-regulate-us-to-save-the-planet/#comment-1734683 <p>So, we’re already dead? And we do, what, nothing? </p> <p>Change is slow, some change is better than none.<br /> And once change is in motion, it picks up support and speed in times of peril.</p> <p>Hey, if we don’t make it as species in the next couple of generations, so be it.</p> <p>But I got about 20-30 years left on the rock, and I’ll take any change and small steps to the good . . . I’ll applaud what I can. And I’ll smile and grin at the changes all around us till the new boss is just like the old boss. Which I don’t think either Obama, or other emerging leaders, are. *G* </p> <p>We give it a good shot, and the cards will fall as they may. </p> <p>As Sgt. Oddball would say (paraphrase), No Negative Vibes, Man.</p> So, we’re already dead? And we do, what, nothing?

Change is slow, some change is better than none.
And once change is in motion, it picks up support and speed in times of peril.

Hey, if we don’t make it as species in the next couple of generations, so be it.

But I got about 20-30 years left on the rock, and I’ll take any change and small steps to the good . . . I’ll applaud what I can. And I’ll smile and grin at the changes all around us till the new boss is just like the old boss. Which I don’t think either Obama, or other emerging leaders, are. *G*

We give it a good shot, and the cards will fall as they may.

As Sgt. Oddball would say (paraphrase), No Negative Vibes, Man.

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