Friday night I was in Glendale trying to find a book on Senegal since I’m going to Dakar for 4 or 5 days on my way to Mali. As long as I was there I figured I’d have dinner at my favorite Italian restaurant on the east side of L.A. They know me well and I can usually slide right in, although sometimes on a busy weekend night, it’s not so smooth. Friday was plenty smooth. About a quarter of the tables were empty. I asked the owner how business has been. He said it’s following the stock market, "one day up and three days down." He also said that there’s no possibility of a profit for 2008 and he’s praying he can pay his rent, taxes and employees. And his business is only off by 15%! I asked because another restaurant I love may have to close, their business off by 25%. I was there the other night and I was the only customer.
They closed early. That the entertainment business is notoriously resistant to macro-economic trends is a truism stemming from how well cheap entertainment managed to do during the Great Depression. It hasn’t really be true– or cheap– since then. And this time around the Biz is being crushed by its own Bush-era greed and excesses. Despite boosterism from free-market admirerers, the entertainment business, especially the sectors involved in overpriced tickets, has been hemorrhaging red ink for a couple years; it’s getting worse now.
Nobody in the Biz wants to talk about it– or admit that ticket sales are in the toilet… or already flushed down it. I’m on the Board of a business 100% dependent on concert ticket prices. We spent virtually our entire last Board meeting discussing how to cut back… on everything, and to prepare for the worst case scenario. I could be wrong about this but I think most music biz types shudder if they hear they or one of their projects has been mentioned in Bob Lefsetz’s newsletters. His latest starts with a definitive attack on one of rock’s last remaining heroes: "Neil Young is a jerk." I like Neil– and his music– a lot and I wouldn’t categorize him in the same terms as Lefsetz. But Leftsetz isn’t altogether wrong about one thing– something that goes way beyond Neil. Concert tickets are way too high– part of a bloated system as unrelated to delivering good music as HMOs are to delivering quality health.
With even the Wall Street guys unable to pay the ridiculous prices for great seats, the business is learning a big lesson. It is not recession-proof. As for the bands who’ve toured the same markets, year after year, with no new hit material? How many times do you need to see the Stones? They don’t sell out anymore.
Some artists still do, usually one with cult audiences like Madonna. With tickets to her shows selling between $350 and $55 a pop, every single one of her recent concerts sold out including 4 nights at Madison Square Garden, 2 nights in Chicago, 2 nights in Oakland, 2 nights in Boston and a night in East Rutherford, NJ. Lucky for her all those shows were before the gays decided to put all their boundless energy into fighting for equality and against Mormons. And if you’re not Madonna… ticket sales are looking dismal, even beyond dreck like Charlie Daniels, Five For Fighting or the must-see nostalgia combination of Great White, Asia, Dokken and Sweet. Last week a panic-stricken Ticketmaster started experimenting with a new concept: easing off on brutally ripping off their customers.
Ticketmaster is famous for fees that concert goers love to hate. Now the ticketing giant is experimenting with dropping those fees in an attempt to gain customers in an increasingly tough economic environment. Tickets for the Eagles’ upcoming concert will be available without any Ticketmaster convenience fees, and if you print your tickets at home, no delivery or handling fees.
The predatory monopolists have worked out a deal with The Eagles to bring down the cost of the tickets so that they band wouldn’t suffer the fate of so many older artists and have to cancel their tour.
High prices are turning off concert goers, even though promoters have actually persuaded musicians to stop gouging their fans and have actually started lowering ticket prices slightly after two dismal years. As the reality of the Bush Economic Miracle and what appears to be a full-fledged economic collapse, it may be too late. And even if fans are willing to scrape up the money for overpriced tickets, there is widespread fear in the music biz that they will be spending far less on merchandise and at the concession stands, a major source of income.
The sports teams also having a tough time, having similarly priced themselves into a precarious situation in hard times. In Friday’s NY Post Phil Mushnick reported an ugly scene in Memphis where the Knicks played the Grizzlies. Watching on TV he writes that "nearly every shot showed rows and rows of empty seats. The most expensive seats, from courtside and roughly 25 rows up, were almost all vacant. And expensive seats for Grizzlies games are on the NBA’s low side, $100-$200 per. And this was just the Grizzlies’ third home game of the season. The box score claimed that attendance was 10,129, eight more than the club’s previous game in the 19,000-seat FedEx Forum. But if that were the case, most patrons were seated directly behind the TV cameras." An eyewitness claims there were 4,000 people there. And it gets worse.
In Sacramento, where the Kings would regularly sell out the 17,300-seat Arco Arena, the home opener was played to at least 5,000 empty seats – and attendance has fallen since. Indiana, Philly and Charlotte are way down, too. By late spring, you’ll likely hear and read that a couple of NBA and NHL teams are close to suspending operations, unable to make rent and payroll, that corporations that bought arena naming rights and businesses that bought big-ticket advertising are behind in payments. There will be more layoffs than layups, more undertakers and no underwriters. There will be no new vanity-purchase buyers, no consortiums with which to consort. Even the new reliable among team investors and sponsors– casino owners and operators– are bleeding millions.
If you follow hockey, you probably already know what a disaster that’s been. Pat Hickey reporting for the Montreal Gazette paints a bleak picture that is bound to get much, much bleaker.
In Atlanta, they have experienced the three smallest crowds of the past four seasons. Attendance has dropped 15.7 per cent to 13,384. The Islanders are on life support as owner Charles Wang tries to get a new arena to replace the Nassau Mausoleum, which is the oldest and smallest building in the NHL. The latest rumbling is that a frustrated Wang would be willing to sell to the right bidder or, if he gets desperate, to Jim Balsillie. The Lightning and Devils are down, and Columbus, which sold out every game in the 2001-02 season, had only 10,424 fans attend a Monday night game against Anaheim. That was the smallest crowd for the Blue Jackets in the history of Nationwide Arena. Cheaper seats have helped Dallas turn things around, but attendance has dropped considerably in Colorado, where the Avalanche once sold out 487 consecutive games. That streak is a memory. Attendance is down 6 per cent in Los Angeles, where the Staples Centre is filled to 83.4 per cent of capacity. But my spies there tell me that – as is the case in many other arenas – the nightly attendance figures are inflated.
Economic reality isn’t going to be denied and vast empires based on unrestrained greed are crumbling before our eyes. Lucky so many of us get by so well with virtual entertainment these days.



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ZED!
Thank you, Howie.
we are so fucked
Thank you Howie.
When Peanut butter sandwiches in a brown bag lunch is the going concern for the average working stiff, three hundred dollars for a ticket to a concert is so far gone out of sight as to be on par with riding the Space shuttle for entertainment.
Ya might as well wish for the moon either way.
I have to say I have been shocked at how high prices for all sorts of tickets have become. I am constantly thinking who on earth can afford to pay these prices.
No wonder the New Orleans Hornets seem to finally be committed to the New Orleans market as they have changed all of their logos to reflect that they are a New Orleans team now. That and Oklahoma already got an expansion team. (They tried to woo the Hornets while they were there on Katrina semi-permanant evacuation.)
Digg it Pups!! Ya just don’t know even the price of Blogging may go!
dugg and thanks for opening it nahant
Dugg. Thanks for the link.
Thanks Howie.
And we’re not going to get a kiss…
With that being said however, Aussie Floyd is coming to town in December and I do believe that I am going to plunk down whatever they want for a ticket.
Consider it a mini vacation.
much less dinner and a movie
That’s interesting, Howie, very illuminating.
In grad school they used to teach us that movie ticket sales are usually about 2 years behind a recession — it’s one of the last things people cut.
So far ticket sales have held, but sales of DVDs — a huge profit center for any film — are off.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11…..vd.html?hp
Wonder if ticket sales will hold.
hey jane
Nope.
On the good side some food prices are dropping as the fuel prices drop… not much but some… every penny counts these days.
i think many more businesses will be offering price reductions in hopes of staving off shutting down.
unfortunately, having to choose between heat and food isn’t gonna leave many people willing to do an evening out.
It would be interesting to see the ratio of rentals to purchases.
And there is an enormous seasonal hiring economy that will likely be plundered.
Our late-run fourplex raised ticket prices by 50% the first of the month, but concession prices are unchanged. Tickets are now half of the matinee prices at the first-run places.
I don’t go to the high end concert series anymore simply because I prefer intimate settings rather than the adulatory and quite commercial scene of big concerts. Plus I can’t afford to see the artists that I loved back when I was seeing them in Coffee Houses and small bars in the ’70’s and ’80’s. Yep! Howie! I recall when I could see the Police, Elvis Costello,
X, the Blasters, Los Lobos, the Ramones, the Talking Heads, etc. for the price I pay for a fancy coffee.And I still see some damn good music from these talented youngsters (and not so youngsters…Sal Valentino still rocks).
But that said, two of the venues that used to have all-ages shows and help out these low-budget artists went under because they weren’t attracting enough customers willing to by a coffee and some food. They charged “too much” for the food and for the show to attract the necessary crowds to make it workable. There are too many bands out there and not enough fans. I see the same people at shows and they are all getting middle aged (moving on up to “senior-hood)…which is sad for building a scene. Younger folks are doing something else, it seems. Maybe they watch Netflix, or are going to hip-hop shows. I have no idea. But they aren’t coming out to see live Alternative Rock, Folk, Jazz, Blues, Country, etc.
yeap, the pdx local news had a story last week (iirc) about how seasonal hiring is pretty much gone for this year. everyone is hunkering down and cutting back.
Read today that medium priced home sales in Ca are down 41%…..that is huge.
The local Micky Dees has a kiosk that you can rent a first run DVD for one dollar.
How can any theater play against that?
had an email from my real estate agent today saying she can’t believe we sold the little cottage and that the market was even worse than when i left.
My next trip to the tables in Vegas – you’re going, too.
Oh, I forgot…I was telling the promoters of some of these shows after they were griping about the noticeable drop off that started about three years ago…and has plummeted this last year. “You’ve got to drop your prices…but you keep raising them…that kills off the audience and future growth.” He argued that he was having to pay for three bands on the bill. I said “Cut the number of bands, start a bit earlier, and have them play a little longer set”. His attitude was that people should pay $7-$10 for 3 bands. I said that with beer, and maybe a little food that was a major splurge for people with no wage growth, increasing gas prices, etc.
I’ve cut back to one concert a week…and watch TV the other nights.
laughing – gotta remember it took 18 months for it to finally happen
Even when I’m flush, I can’t imagine paying big coin for concert tickets. The bands I see are along the lines of Stereolab at the Paradise ($22) or The Bird and the Bee at Great Scott ($10) or the Dodos at the MFA ($12), where I can actually see and hear the bands play. Could I possibly get $350 of enjoyment out of Madonna? Maybe in 1984 when I was 14 and the very mention of her name gave me an erection. Now? Yeah, not so much.
I have seen projections that real estate and housing is going to take another twenty five percent loss right in the shorts. Nobody I have seen who knows anything about real estate says to even think about buying anything within two years.
You got very lucky.
i’ve not been to a concert in 2 and a half years – and i used to go to about a half dozen or more every year
Some movies just don’t work on the little screen. Titanic is a good example, some of the CGI extravaganzas are others.
Unless you have a really good HD home theater setup, the theater is the place to see those things.
late late nite upstairs
Toy Story.
I freaking loved that movie and it was not the same on the itty bitty.
But on the brighter side, won’t everyone be getting a free can of Dr. Pepper?
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/61897773
Is there going to be any accountability for this mess we find ourselves in? A country where, according to this administration’s own forecasts, 40 millions go to bed hungry, 12 millions are chronically hungry, 50 millions have no reliable access to even basic healthcare, 5 millions have lost or will soon lose their homes, tent cities are appearing on the outskirts of dozens of major cities, good companies cannot get access to working capital, failed companies get precious taxpayer-funded bailouts in secret, and where infrastructure is failing from decades of neglect. I’m not happy.
I spent 21 years in Hawaii. When the threat of a shipping loomed, the first thing to disappear off the shealves was…Toilet Paper!
A few years ago I heard Simon and Garfunkle were coming to San Francisco and I looked into buying tickets. For my wife, daughter son and myself. The Face value was $55.00 per ticket. Ticketmaster was charging $250.00 per ticket. Needless to say, we didn’t see the concert. I haven’t even looked into a concert since then.
I have always wondered at the peculiar economic logic of adding a “handling fee” as a way of disguising the actual ticket price. I understand that music is a business and artists and promoters will charge what they think the market will bear, but the strange history of Ticketmaster always added a stench to the experience of buying a concert ticket.
hahahaha. I haven’t been to a pop concert in over 40 yrs. But I find the “music” insufferable anyway. I do spend on ballet and opera and consider a $100 ticket pricey, but I get a very good seat for that and an opera production at the Met costs $1MM to mount. This is a real show with very talented artists. Some of these production involve hundreds and hundreds of people. orchestra, chorus, leads, company actors, dancers and so on. This is well worth the ticket price,
I don’t by or listen to pop music either. I would consider a blessing if we could be spared from the constant assault of pop music wherever we are. Silence and nature sounds are so lovely.
On the other hand, small intimate venues for folk, jazz and so forth are acceptable to me, but these are rarely expensive. Thank dog they got rid of smoking because these clubs and bars were intolerable.
Greed drives these ridiculous prices to a little come uppance is in order.
I have a client who is in the music biz. He’s hurting.
Thinkng about small venues. I saw Mississippi John Hurt in a small bar in Washington DC a few days before Kennedy’s assassination. He must have been in his 80s, and sung with that soft lilting voice. I never again witnessed anything like that performance. We must have been about 40 people listening.
I went to see Tina Turner for the first time in 25 years. A little bigger venue with a few more people (30,000 vs. 1200). In 1984, I remember thinking how cool it was and I had the rest of my life to do fun things like this. Last night, the person I went with and I both agreed that instead of looking forward to fun things like this, it was probably not going to happen again anytime soon if ever. It is a sad state.
Any hope the NFL might die out? That would be worth all the rest of the pain.
Ticket prices are a large part of why we don’t go anywhere. $500 to go watch our Local Football Team play? That’s two weeks’ pay. Sorry, no.
About 15 years ago a friend and I went to see Dave Brubeck play in a small venue in LA. I think the door was around $10 as I recall (I could be wrong, memory is so unreliable about stuff like that), and there weren’t more than 100 people in the place. It was well attended and sort of impromptu, but as I said it was a small place.
The last time I looked for tickets to any kind of show was for Eddie Izzard playing here in the Bay Area. Minimum was $180 each. I like Eddie Izzard, and I make a decent wage (God knows how long that’s going to last), but $360 for 2 people for one evening was not going to happen.
Screw these major label acts and thie greedy co-conspirators in the concert business. Now more than ever is the time to support your local artists. Here in Austin we have hundreds of local bands, dozens of which are infinitely moretalented and enjoyable than so much of the tripe coming through our town charging ten times as much to see. It’s high time fans start voting with their feet against the blatantly expoitive concert business. It’s literally killing music’s reputation as a viable entertainment alternative to games and movies.
i still don’t get why anyone would ever read lefsetz. he is a lousy writer and a dolt.