Comments on: NRA To Nutters: Obama Will Take Your Guns Away If Saxby Chambliss Loses Runoff http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:07:23 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: democracyinaction http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1733902 democracyinaction Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:56:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1733902 <p>The gun nuts need to relax, no one is coming to take their guns away. I do, however, like Chris Rock’s idea: they should raise the price of bullets so that they’re $5000 each. Then you’d REALLY have to want to shoot something to do it.</p> <p>Let ‘em keep their guns, just charge ‘em out the a$$ for the bullets.</p> The gun nuts need to relax, no one is coming to take their guns away. I do, however, like Chris Rock’s idea: they should raise the price of bullets so that they’re $5000 each. Then you’d REALLY have to want to shoot something to do it.

Let ‘em keep their guns, just charge ‘em out the a$$ for the bullets.

]]> By: xve598 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1733355 xve598 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:11:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1733355 <p>Read more: where are the Carthaginians? (From Star Ship Soldiers -Robert Heinlein. Guns made Democracy because one did not need years of training to become part of the warrior elite. “The pen starts the war the sword ends” (Vassily Haakon From unpublished treatise )</p> <p> Buy the best weapon. Learn to use it. And practice.</p> Read more: where are the Carthaginians? (From Star Ship Soldiers -Robert Heinlein. Guns made Democracy because one did not need years of training to become part of the warrior elite. “The pen starts the war the sword ends” (Vassily Haakon From unpublished treatise )

Buy the best weapon. Learn to use it. And practice.

]]> By: xve598 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1733349 xve598 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:36:58 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1733349 <p>I am not a hunter any longer I do not need the meat .but I want the best weapons to protect myself and what’s mine. I know many people are scared and their cowardice dooms us all. Study history! We are far safer with trained populace in all weapons and learning that we need the code of behavior the means that we teach wealth building and economics and weapons and the skills of living in today’s world. we need to understand that there are no panaceas but complete Global economic change. We have to get over our prejudice,ideologies,fears,the teachings of well meaning but wrong “leaders”. Having military weapons has not hurt the Swiss. (All Swiss Soldiers carry their military weapon home with them) In America we do need a educated populace and that means comprise. We must be more critical of what we are told about “popular political” band wagons. Like “green” living with out looking at the long term.<br /> Some fanatics resort to terrorism rather that write and ask the hard questions. Today, we have the internet where the voice of the every person can be heard. I dislike organizations that spout rhetoric that hides a dark underside. Like PETA here is an organization that is so rabid that they have condoned terrorist acts (assault, property damage) rather that putting it’s resources into positive actions like research into cloning of skin,all skin from human to cattle to hippo all that could be cloned giving the world a new product and allowing the nations where animals heretofore were killed for fur or horn to have license to produce those “native” species as a way of giving jobs and national income. We should PAY those nations with huge forests that are being cut down for arable land NOT to CUT! Pay for what is really necessary!! I know that as we gain knowledge that to ask our governments to give tax credits for better land usage. Big tax credits for vegetables (for the farmer and the entire chain ) reason flatting foods are more filling and most vegetables are nearly as expensive as meat. See, there are many, items that can be constructive like boarding school and emotional maturity and growth. There is so much to be done to help us all. But, to leave people helpless to be massacred as in Rwanda,are unconscionable. We could have easily armed the victims but we let it happen. we send the UN soldiers who had rules of engagement that did not let them intervene unless they themselves were attacked. Anyone who has seen the movie BLACKHAWK DOWN,can see the reality of these failed policies.<br /> The evil of this world is allowed to progress due to our doing nothing and having bad laws that are only enacted to to cater to our fears. But no one thinks of society as a whole and proceeds to be positive without being the bully. We can be armed to the teeth and compassionate. Fighting Fraud in All of it’s forms, defeating NIMBYISM’s housing the homeless before they become homeless. There are many ways of cheaply providing housing. We can allow otherwise zoning no’s to yes’s to get a society where every one works and we cheer on our neighbor when they gain possessions. After all was it the cooperation of our ancestors that helped build this nation?</p> I am not a hunter any longer I do not need the meat .but I want the best weapons to protect myself and what’s mine. I know many people are scared and their cowardice dooms us all. Study history! We are far safer with trained populace in all weapons and learning that we need the code of behavior the means that we teach wealth building and economics and weapons and the skills of living in today’s world. we need to understand that there are no panaceas but complete Global economic change. We have to get over our prejudice,ideologies,fears,the teachings of well meaning but wrong “leaders”. Having military weapons has not hurt the Swiss. (All Swiss Soldiers carry their military weapon home with them) In America we do need a educated populace and that means comprise. We must be more critical of what we are told about “popular political” band wagons. Like “green” living with out looking at the long term.
Some fanatics resort to terrorism rather that write and ask the hard questions. Today, we have the internet where the voice of the every person can be heard. I dislike organizations that spout rhetoric that hides a dark underside. Like PETA here is an organization that is so rabid that they have condoned terrorist acts (assault, property damage) rather that putting it’s resources into positive actions like research into cloning of skin,all skin from human to cattle to hippo all that could be cloned giving the world a new product and allowing the nations where animals heretofore were killed for fur or horn to have license to produce those “native” species as a way of giving jobs and national income. We should PAY those nations with huge forests that are being cut down for arable land NOT to CUT! Pay for what is really necessary!! I know that as we gain knowledge that to ask our governments to give tax credits for better land usage. Big tax credits for vegetables (for the farmer and the entire chain ) reason flatting foods are more filling and most vegetables are nearly as expensive as meat. See, there are many, items that can be constructive like boarding school and emotional maturity and growth. There is so much to be done to help us all. But, to leave people helpless to be massacred as in Rwanda,are unconscionable. We could have easily armed the victims but we let it happen. we send the UN soldiers who had rules of engagement that did not let them intervene unless they themselves were attacked. Anyone who has seen the movie BLACKHAWK DOWN,can see the reality of these failed policies.
The evil of this world is allowed to progress due to our doing nothing and having bad laws that are only enacted to to cater to our fears. But no one thinks of society as a whole and proceeds to be positive without being the bully. We can be armed to the teeth and compassionate. Fighting Fraud in All of it’s forms, defeating NIMBYISM’s housing the homeless before they become homeless. There are many ways of cheaply providing housing. We can allow otherwise zoning no’s to yes’s to get a society where every one works and we cheer on our neighbor when they gain possessions. After all was it the cooperation of our ancestors that helped build this nation?

]]> By: Jkat http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732983 Jkat Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:40:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732983 <p>well i’m not a collector .. but i’ve inherited the last three generations of my family’s guns .. and i was raised up in north texas .. on a ranch farm .. where one was never farther away than the back rack of the pick-up truck ..[even when parked in the high-school parking lot ] .. we used to “reload” our own .30-.30 ammo and shotgun shells .. so i don’t see a problem with it .. if one is actually used to being around weapons .. the stricture on ammo would only affect the folk who can’t figure out how to do “reloaders” .. </p> <p>depends on the cultural specific one has .. imo .. i own a bunch of various weapons .. but i haven’t taken one down ..or fired one in years .. with the exception of the occasional worry of a possibly rabid skunk or two .. i haven’t had a need to .. and most of us who have “borne arms” in the military .. have a completely different cultural specific than the “wannabes” .. </p> <p>and as to the hysterics concerning the “gub’mint taking our guns” .. they’d have to “find ‘em” first .. there are many many weapons “out here” which have passed ..like mine .. from great-grand-dad .. to grandfather .. to father to son .. that no one knows about ..for which no registration information exists .. so that the task of “taking away the guns” would be an exercise in folly .. imo .. </p> <p>am i worried about the “gub’mint taking my guns” .. naaawww.. i’m a reality based individual ..</p> well i’m not a collector .. but i’ve inherited the last three generations of my family’s guns .. and i was raised up in north texas .. on a ranch farm .. where one was never farther away than the back rack of the pick-up truck ..[even when parked in the high-school parking lot ] .. we used to “reload” our own .30-.30 ammo and shotgun shells .. so i don’t see a problem with it .. if one is actually used to being around weapons .. the stricture on ammo would only affect the folk who can’t figure out how to do “reloaders” ..

depends on the cultural specific one has .. imo .. i own a bunch of various weapons .. but i haven’t taken one down ..or fired one in years .. with the exception of the occasional worry of a possibly rabid skunk or two .. i haven’t had a need to .. and most of us who have “borne arms” in the military .. have a completely different cultural specific than the “wannabes” ..

and as to the hysterics concerning the “gub’mint taking our guns” .. they’d have to “find ‘em” first .. there are many many weapons “out here” which have passed ..like mine .. from great-grand-dad .. to grandfather .. to father to son .. that no one knows about ..for which no registration information exists .. so that the task of “taking away the guns” would be an exercise in folly .. imo ..

am i worried about the “gub’mint taking my guns” .. naaawww.. i’m a reality based individual ..

]]> By: grok http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732971 grok Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:32:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732971 <p>Oh… I dunno… It kinda makes sense, doncha think? I mean, Bush took away everything <i><b>else</b></i> so of course it’s only naturally they should… ahem… cling to their guns. </p> <p>Saay ello to ma leyul fren</p> Oh… I dunno… It kinda makes sense, doncha think? I mean, Bush took away everything else so of course it’s only naturally they should… ahem… cling to their guns.

Saay ello to ma leyul fren

]]> By: Ann in AZ http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732967 Ann in AZ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:28:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732967 <blockquote><p>The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. </p></blockquote> <p>Apparently this tool never heard of, “The word is mightier than the sword!”</p>

The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.

Apparently this tool never heard of, “The word is mightier than the sword!”

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732964 eCAHNomics Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:25:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732964 <p>Don’t think that would fly. The gun folks would argue that controlling ammo is a transparent attempt to limit their 2nd amendment rights.</p> <p>Every since I got to know repsonsible hunters, I’ve had the hypothesis that guns are mostly a city problem. Therefore micro. I thus applauded Mayor Bloomberg’s attempt to negotiate with VA about NYCers buying guns in VA and bringing them back. (Think it’s an industry, not individuals.) However, VA spit in his face, so that ended that.</p> Don’t think that would fly. The gun folks would argue that controlling ammo is a transparent attempt to limit their 2nd amendment rights.

Every since I got to know repsonsible hunters, I’ve had the hypothesis that guns are mostly a city problem. Therefore micro. I thus applauded Mayor Bloomberg’s attempt to negotiate with VA about NYCers buying guns in VA and bringing them back. (Think it’s an industry, not individuals.) However, VA spit in his face, so that ended that.

]]> By: marshen http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732962 marshen Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:22:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732962 <p>The owner of the most popular skinhead community website, <a href="http://www.skinheads.net" rel="nofollow">www.skinheads.net</a> actually uses “Nutter” as his screen name. Nutter is native of Atlanta, GA and gun ownership rights rights is his flagship issue. He writes regular threads in the site’s politics section about how Obama is poised to take away everyone’s guns when he takes office. This entry of his kind of lays out how he feels about his right to own as many guns as he sees fit:</p> <blockquote><p> The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.<br /> (waiting for attack)<br /> The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.</p> <p>The final weapon is the brain.All else is supplemental.</p> <p>1. Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you.<br /> 2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.<br /> 3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.<br /> 4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.<br /> 5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized<br /> the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him ‘Why do you carry a 45?’<br /> The Ranger responded, ‘Because they don’t make a 46.’<br /> 6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm.’Sheriff, I see you have your pistol.Are you expecting trouble?’ ‘No Ma’am.If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle or a shotgun.’<br /> 7. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!! But wait, there’s more! I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in thehouse. I said I did. She said ‘Well I certainly hope it isn’t loaded!’ To which I said, of course it is loaded, can’t work without bullets!’ She then asked, ‘Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?’ My reply was, ‘No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are allloaded too.’ To which I’ll add, having a gun in the house that isn’t loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.<br /> ______</p></blockquote> The owner of the most popular skinhead community website, http://www.skinheads.net actually uses “Nutter” as his screen name. Nutter is native of Atlanta, GA and gun ownership rights rights is his flagship issue. He writes regular threads in the site’s politics section about how Obama is poised to take away everyone’s guns when he takes office. This entry of his kind of lays out how he feels about his right to own as many guns as he sees fit:

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.
(waiting for attack)
The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.

The final weapon is the brain.All else is supplemental.

1. Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you.
2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized
the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him ‘Why do you carry a 45?’
The Ranger responded, ‘Because they don’t make a 46.’
6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm.’Sheriff, I see you have your pistol.Are you expecting trouble?’ ‘No Ma’am.If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle or a shotgun.’
7. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!! But wait, there’s more! I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in thehouse. I said I did. She said ‘Well I certainly hope it isn’t loaded!’ To which I said, of course it is loaded, can’t work without bullets!’ She then asked, ‘Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?’ My reply was, ‘No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are allloaded too.’ To which I’ll add, having a gun in the house that isn’t loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.
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]]> By: TheLurkingMod http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732960 TheLurkingMod Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:19:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732960 <p>Jane upstairs!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/bipartisan-proposal-for-big-3-restructuring/" rel="nofollow">Bipartisan Proposal For Big 3 Restructuring</a></p> Jane upstairs!
Bipartisan Proposal For Big 3 Restructuring

]]> By: Jkat http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732959 Jkat Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:19:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/nra-to-nutters-obama-will-take-your-guns-away-if-saxby-chambliss-loses-runoff/#comment-1732959 <p>this kinda stuff is what happens when a full third of the population isn’t “reality based” .. imo .. </p> <p>what has happened .. and is happening .. has no bearing on the “fear” of what “might happen” .. </p> <p>i’m with the person who said “control the ammo” .. i’ve said that for years on end .. the constitution restricts the gov’t [imo] from doing much in the way of “guns” .. but outlawing some types of .. and controlling access to ..ammunition .. is the proper way to go .. there is nothing in the constitution concerning the “possession of powder.. shot.. and ball” ..</p> this kinda stuff is what happens when a full third of the population isn’t “reality based” .. imo ..

what has happened .. and is happening .. has no bearing on the “fear” of what “might happen” ..

i’m with the person who said “control the ammo” .. i’ve said that for years on end .. the constitution restricts the gov’t [imo] from doing much in the way of “guns” .. but outlawing some types of .. and controlling access to ..ammunition .. is the proper way to go .. there is nothing in the constitution concerning the “possession of powder.. shot.. and ball” ..

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