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	<title>Comments on: No Bread, Medicine or Fuel But George Says Let&#8217;s Chat</title>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1734354</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Sheldon Toronto&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Your apologue for monstrous illegal conduct of Israel in West Bank and Gaza displays a moral indifference and ethical blindness that should cause you shame. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That it does not and you choose to parade it at this site is a true pity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel cannot lay claim to victimhood in West Bank or Gaza. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To suggest or claim Israel is the victim in West Bank or Gaza is a lie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who tells lies? Liars do. What is a lie? What is not so. Not the truth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel is telling lies over and about West Bank and Gaza. Israel is a Liar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sheldon Toronto</p>
<p> Your apologue for monstrous illegal conduct of Israel in West Bank and Gaza displays a moral indifference and ethical blindness that should cause you shame. </p>
<p>That it does not and you choose to parade it at this site is a true pity.</p>
<p>Israel cannot lay claim to victimhood in West Bank or Gaza. </p>
<p>To suggest or claim Israel is the victim in West Bank or Gaza is a lie.</p>
<p>Who tells lies? Liars do. What is a lie? What is not so. Not the truth.</p>
<p>Israel is telling lies over and about West Bank and Gaza. Israel is a Liar.</p>
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		<title>By: sheltr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1734320</link>
		<dc:creator>sheltr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mbayrob: Your responses are uniformly well-reasoned. It’s to your credit that you have the energy and self-restraint to respond with rationality to some of the more unglued flames being thrown your way…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do hope for a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian divide. But it’s important to note, regarding the main problem identified in this thread, that the blockade is not being performed by Israel alone. Egypt’s seal on its Gaza border is also air-tight. Any reason why people here haven’t pined about Egypt preventing supplies? To their own brethren, no less!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s shocking that this needs to be mentioned, but it’s also important to emphasize the essential difference between Israel’s prosecution of the war vs. Nazi approach to Holocaust: The Israelis would accept a political solution The Nazis killed Jews, Poles, Roma, Russians, etc. SIMPLY FOR BEING THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE. Clearly, Israel and the Palestinians / Arabs will both negotiate for maximum benefit. But that doesn’t change the fact that any comparison between Israel and the Nazis is an affront to all Nazi victims, AND TO ALLIED WAR HEROES.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Palestinians and Arabs choose to act contrary to their own best interest, so be it! As to what could be done, how about an easy start: Hamas ending its official, institutionalized teaching of hatred to children (I’ll provide references if anybody is foolish enough to dispute).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sheldon&lt;br /&gt;
Toronto&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mbayrob: Your responses are uniformly well-reasoned. It’s to your credit that you have the energy and self-restraint to respond with rationality to some of the more unglued flames being thrown your way…</p>
<p>I do hope for a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian divide. But it’s important to note, regarding the main problem identified in this thread, that the blockade is not being performed by Israel alone. Egypt’s seal on its Gaza border is also air-tight. Any reason why people here haven’t pined about Egypt preventing supplies? To their own brethren, no less!</p>
<p>It’s shocking that this needs to be mentioned, but it’s also important to emphasize the essential difference between Israel’s prosecution of the war vs. Nazi approach to Holocaust: The Israelis would accept a political solution The Nazis killed Jews, Poles, Roma, Russians, etc. SIMPLY FOR BEING THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE. Clearly, Israel and the Palestinians / Arabs will both negotiate for maximum benefit. But that doesn’t change the fact that any comparison between Israel and the Nazis is an affront to all Nazi victims, AND TO ALLIED WAR HEROES.</p>
<p>If the Palestinians and Arabs choose to act contrary to their own best interest, so be it! As to what could be done, how about an easy start: Hamas ending its official, institutionalized teaching of hatred to children (I’ll provide references if anybody is foolish enough to dispute).</p>
<p>Sheldon<br />
Toronto</p>
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		<title>By: nightngale</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1733933</link>
		<dc:creator>nightngale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Granted I am younger than 90 years old, so I have only read books, but has Israel forgotten what a ghetto is? Very ironic. Is history repeating itself? A powerful and rich country such as Israel has better ways than making innocents suffer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted I am younger than 90 years old, so I have only read books, but has Israel forgotten what a ghetto is? Very ironic. Is history repeating itself? A powerful and rich country such as Israel has better ways than making innocents suffer.</p>
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		<title>By: homosapiens40</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1733917</link>
		<dc:creator>homosapiens40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The US government, by providing huge amounts of money for the Iraeli military, is  effectively responsible for the resulting inequality of power which leads to violence in the region.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US government, by providing huge amounts of money for the Iraeli military, is  effectively responsible for the resulting inequality of power which leads to violence in the region.</p>
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		<title>By: homosapiens40</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1733914</link>
		<dc:creator>homosapiens40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shootthatarrow is right. mbayrob’s comments provide no valid defense of the behavior of Israel’s government. mbayrob’s rhetoric indicates he may be a politician.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shootthatarrow is right. mbayrob’s comments provide no valid defense of the behavior of Israel’s government. mbayrob’s rhetoric indicates he may be a politician.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1733793</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Israel is not the moral/ethical agent in Gaza or West Bank. In real world measure Israel can inflict suffering and practice moral depravity on/in Gaza and West Bank evidently with no restraint/constraint. And does.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who insist and repeatedly choose to describe Israel as the victim and proceed to whitewash and rationalize Israeli occupation conduct in Gaza and West Bank are moral cowards and apologists of/for wicked,depraved conduct of the powerful against the helpless.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where there should be shame and compassion there is this prideful fraud and a blindness of ignorance that is pathetic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That WashingtonDC gives Israel repeated passes and condones Israel’s ongoing,deepening depraved occupation conduct in/of West Band and Gaza something that does not stand in face of truth,fact and plain rightness.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel and WashingtonDC seem indifferent or worse void of human qualities of shame,contriteness or mercy and compassion. The width/depth of these Hitlerian styled moral/ethical/political violations Israel and WashingtonDC now are fully engaged with/in Gaza in particular should bring on steep condemnation. This conduct is in the realm of depraved criminal conduct. The indictment it brings forth is harsh,stark and not amendable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is not the moral/ethical agent in Gaza or West Bank. In real world measure Israel can inflict suffering and practice moral depravity on/in Gaza and West Bank evidently with no restraint/constraint. And does.</p>
<p>Those who insist and repeatedly choose to describe Israel as the victim and proceed to whitewash and rationalize Israeli occupation conduct in Gaza and West Bank are moral cowards and apologists of/for wicked,depraved conduct of the powerful against the helpless.</p>
<p>Where there should be shame and compassion there is this prideful fraud and a blindness of ignorance that is pathetic.</p>
<p>That WashingtonDC gives Israel repeated passes and condones Israel’s ongoing,deepening depraved occupation conduct in/of West Band and Gaza something that does not stand in face of truth,fact and plain rightness.</p>
<p>Israel and WashingtonDC seem indifferent or worse void of human qualities of shame,contriteness or mercy and compassion. The width/depth of these Hitlerian styled moral/ethical/political violations Israel and WashingtonDC now are fully engaged with/in Gaza in particular should bring on steep condemnation. This conduct is in the realm of depraved criminal conduct. The indictment it brings forth is harsh,stark and not amendable.</p>
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		<title>By: sona</title>
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		<dc:creator>sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is easy to forget that the Nazis holocaust engulfed many others, not just jews.  That, however, does not reduce the crime against humanity that Israelis are perpetrating where Israel has no business in being neither does it bring back the dead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy to forget that the Nazis holocaust engulfed many others, not just jews.  That, however, does not reduce the crime against humanity that Israelis are perpetrating where Israel has no business in being neither does it bring back the dead.</p>
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		<title>By: mbayrob</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1733583</link>
		<dc:creator>mbayrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With respect — WTF?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve seen a lot of these discussions.  This one’s been extremely civil all around.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect — WTF?</p>
<p>I’ve seen a lot of these discussions.  This one’s been extremely civil all around.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/20/no-bread-medicine-or-fuel-but-george-says-lets-chat/#comment-1733581</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Disagree all you like. Do it with a civil tongue towards other commenters, or not at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree all you like. Do it with a civil tongue towards other commenters, or not at all.</p>
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		<title>By: mbayrob</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbayrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think your threshold is a little low.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Folks that use terms like “Genocide” or “Treblinka” in this context probably deserve language a lot stronger than the rather mild word I used, I think.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The term on Daily Kos is “not HR worthy”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your threshold is a little low.</p>
<p>Folks that use terms like “Genocide” or “Treblinka” in this context probably deserve language a lot stronger than the rather mild word I used, I think.</p>
<p>The term on Daily Kos is “not HR worthy”.</p>
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