It appears that a compromise proposal by Senators from Democrats Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, and Republicans George Voinovich and Kit Bond will be presented today at a press conference, which will be covered live on CSPAN.
The compromise plan involves repurposing the $25 billion from the 2007 Energy Bill which was allocated for retooling and reducing fuel consumption. It would purportedly make the money available to help the automakers get through the current cash crunch. This is the proposal favored by George Bush, and probably the only one the Democrats could get enough Republican support for to get through the Senate.
GM is currently losing around $2 billion a month. As Dean Baker said this morning, at this rate they would be bankrupt in about two months. He also notes that "the fallout from a GM bankruptcy could sink Chrysler and Ford as well, as common suppliers shut down and credit for the industry vanishes and customers flee to manufacturers with longer life expectancies."
The impact of a Big 3 bankruptcy would be far reaching. Elijah Cummings was on MSNBC earlier noting that local television advertising revenues would be cut by 30% if local auto dealers went out of business.
The Dow has now dropped just slightly below 8,000. 8,000 is the last technical support point and if the Dow drops much below 8K, it could lead to a full fledged collapse. If the bailout was done to stop a collapse of the stock market, then it's certainly justified now. Congressional Republicans may not understand what losing one or more of the Big 3 would mean to the economy, but investors certainly do.
Reid and Pelosi have scheduled a second lame duck session starting December 8 to take the matter up.
CNBC is reporting that the compromise may be a "non-starter" in the House.
Update: Reid at the press conference -- we have decided that the automakers must submit a plan to congress through Chairmen Frank and Dodd no later than December 2. They will review plans and hold hearings during that week if necessary. Congress is prepared to come back week of the 8th to vote, but only if the auto makers come back with a viable plan. It is important to know that the administration has the authority to use TARP money in the mean time to help them out (Paulsen is claiming they don't).
Pelosi: the industrial base is vital to our national security. It is important that we see some path for viability from the auto industry. We reject the notion that bankruptcy is an option.
Dodd: He will hold hearings, possibly with Barney Frank, the week of the second.
Pelosi: We're not talking today about what money will be used, we're talking about accountability and the prospect of viability. The White House wouldn't sign a bill that allocated TARP funds, and it couldn't pass the Senate.
Reid: What happened here this week wasn't good for the auto industry. These guys flying in on big corporate jets doesn't help anything. They need to get their act together. Yes we're kicking the can down the road.
Hoyer: It is a demonstration that we intend to keep working on this matter because we feel it's critical. We will be working, the automakers will be working, and we expect the administration to be working on it as well.
Barney Frank: We put through a bill committing $700 billion to taxpayer money. There is widespread discontent throughout the country that we didn't provide appropriate safeguards to that money. There is a great deal of skepticism on the part of the media, the public and the congress that we moved too fast. We need to not do that this time.
Update 2: Levin -- auto makers all over the world are asking help from their governments. Our plan has taxpayer protections, and requires long term plans for viability to be part of the applications for the loans. White House opposed the use of any of the $700 billion stabilization funds, and Reid said there were not enough votes into Senate to appropriate those funds. We can't allow fight over source of funds to let the auto industry goes under, which could have dire economic implications.
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What idiot Democrats won’t back the compromise? People should read this from Sir Charles over at Cogitamus. The UAW deserves our support.
Actually listening now to news conference and basically the Congress has punted (no compromise).
Does anyone know if the “plan” places restrictions on corporate CEO pay, stock options, golden parachutes, etc.? How about limits on the use of private jets to go begging?
And how about a “refund” on all the prior largess rained down on the Captains of the Titanic(s) who got their companies into this mess? Do their contracts have any “performance” clauses?
The action plan is not to act.
I’d really like to see a plan that directly benefits consumers, too. Something like making a government-sponsored $1,000 tax voucher available to every tax payer who purchases a new car from the Big 3 in 2009. That would help the auto makers and stimulate the economy, along with getting more U.S. cars out there.
CTBob for Secretary of Commerce!
I think this first move needs to be relatively small like this… things aren’t in place to put through the kind of meaningful changes needed.
Right now, we’re just keeping the CEO’s from pulling the plug to cut their losses. Good enough for now- but only for now.
That’s a good idea but GM needs management changes to survive. Chrysler’s hiring of Nardelli indicated to me, that they don’t want to survive.
I really like the idea. It forces the Big 2.5 to stay focussed on selling cars and supports the entire pipeline. IIRC, Dodd asked about exactly your idea. (It was Barbara Mikulski’s idea, but she couldn’t be there).Unfortunately in their testimony before the Senate, I thought I heard their response as it’s not enough. The fico score to get a new car is so high, there are simply too few buyers.
It looks as if this is the Republicans last ditch effort
to bust the UAW. Unacceptable!!
Tax incentives for economical vehicles would be better- not giveaways for buying a new ‘Slade or other behemoth. I know they want/need to unload them, but crap!
As part of a communications package to sell this to Americans, it might be advantageous for liberals/progressives and unions to explore the possibility of using the
here-to-fore despisedDepartment of Homeland Security as the federal agency that would assume/nationalize whatever parts of the Big 2.5 we don’t want the Chinese to get. Janet Napolitano is someone we think we can trust. As a PR device, I think Homeland Security sends a strong message that this is about national security.Yes– Nardelli is putrid. any money to these corporations- Chrysler in particular- should be very specifically kept from going to CEO enrichment.
Don’t give Cerberus a penny. They were stupid enough to buy Chrysler AND 50% of GMAC. THAT is World Class Stupid. They absolutely deserve to lose every penny. The Chrysler would have already been lost, but for the stupidity of John Snow and his band of idiots to throw money at the problem. It didn’t work then - with cheap credit widely available, and it won’t work now.
Save Ford and the supply chain - but that’s it. GM’s 60 nameplates evidence completely incompetent management. 60 advertising campaigns? Gimme a break.
Paulson just supported reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, or at least part of it. Said that “originate to sell” securities must be reexamined, with every financial intermediary taking responsibility along the way.
Of course, that’s unworkable. But at least the concept is a start.
Digg
Thank you.
(my bold)
Let me get this straight, Reid wants these turkeys to get together on one corporate jet and conspire before they address congress? Seems like a violation of anti-trust right there. Must be damned if you do, damned if you don’t mixup of signals. Are there any adults around?
Completely agree.
Paulson lost huge credibility when that didn’t happen with the money the banks received.
Paulson: Reform IMF & WB for greater participation of developing countries.
Me: Don’t reform them, which would be an attempt to coopt developing countries. I like the model of those developing countries with money thumbing their noses at IMF & WB by lending, aiding directly developing countries that need money.
I left you a response in epuland at the end of an earlier thread. Did you see it or should I search it out?
Isn’t Wolfie over there ?
Whatever happened to Wolfie? AEI?
presser:
senator levin: its not a democratic plan, it’s not a republican plan: there’s a bipartisan plan now.
me: we’re fucked.
Yeah, we know they are bad.
They are not as bad, however as the Shanghai Automative Industry Corporation When China Will Be Able to PWN US
IIRC Wolfie packed it in, girlfriend troubles. ;-)
do these guys (our senators) realize how out of touch and completely unprepared they sound?
i’m confused. there’s a bill but they are waiting for the auto execs to come back with a plan? which is it?
looseheadprop is upstairs!
Grassley “Gets” Why the Holder Nomination is Just a Dumb Idea
Yep, Wolfie’s at AEI, the last resort of scoundrels.
Yes, read that one, not happy news there.
Once the B-3 are up and running again, will there be a bailout of their customers so they can buy the cars?
A caller on National Journal suggested that now may be the time for the government to step forward and re-supply the National Guard. With so much of our National Guard resources now sitting in Iraq and Afghanistan, would it be a good thing to place orders for (with the automakers) for emergency vehicles, ambulances, firetrucks, etc. etc. It seems to me the country NEEDS these things; they WILL be paid for by the taxpayers anyway . . . so why NOT support the Big 3 by BUYING AMERICAN?
Thanks, I saw it.
You’re right … left World Bank to join AEI and start the latest trend
Excellent point.
We’re in a deflationary spiral. I think the issue is can we manage it with some degree of fairness?
They always told us that the formula for BrylCream™ was a secret.
Just add
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I think Barney Frank spelled it out pretty well. No CEO compensation, no golden parachutes, etc. I watched the Big 3 Boneheads at the Senate hearing and none of them could say how they came up with the figure they were asking for. Vague rationalizations for need of funds but nothing of substance. Levin’s whining about the Congress having to review the plans to be submitted by the B3B instead of Dept of Commerce, which is run by Rethugs, has a distinct smell to it. It sounds to me like Congress has put the ball in the B3B’s court as to whether they get any money or not. I see it as forcing the B3B to change the way they do business. Not a bad idea if it works. Three weeks isn’t gonna kill the auto industry.
67 degrees. overcast but not smelling of rain. 2 mph wind from the west. sticky fingers on the ipod. all is well.
you, dude?
If they don’t do something to prop up the auto industry, even with all it’s faults, I’m afraid it is going to cascade in to bringing down the whole economy. The did it to stop the same thing happening when the banking industry began this disaster and they better do it again now for the auto industry. We just can’t afford to lose those jobs and the collateral jobs around it that would also be affected. I feel like GM has made strides recently to make better product and strengthen their company so I think they should be allowed a little more time to turn it around. At least until Obama takes office and has an opportunity to see what he can do with the auto industry.
how is ™ done? (beside pasteing)?
4 inches of snow, windchill of minus 4 F tonight … luckily, we’ve got Spiced Rum & Grand Marnier on hand … *g*
I agree. I think the Rust Belt would suffer first, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana. Then steel and tool and die would be dragged down even more and the rest of the nation would follow in a very severe deflationary spiral. That would trigger a whole new round of foreclosures, higher tranches of mortgage backed securities would default and banks would again be insolvent.
Dood, I just got down from the mountain and there was snow up thar… Brrr…! ;-)
on the mac, it’s option-2
on windows i understand it is more complex
((( CT )))
Didja get my Facebook mail ?
… tee hee hee …
Don’t gloat, now…! 8-P
BRB…! ;-)
It was from a coupla weeks ago …
now for my next expose teh dumb ?, what is an option 2? I have a spanish keyboard on teh book
right to left on Mac Laptops:
space bar, command, option (sometimes also has ‘alt’ printed on it).
Dang, Dood! You’re too kind! *g*
Btw, I saw an AP report saying that the Tories aren’t putting any stimulus package together yet and projecting tough times ahead for ‘09/’10 and ‘10/’11…
We’re finding it tough to get business loans up here right now but it will come through eventually.
Harper has very little options, he cut the GST 2% and now has little or no surplus … what an *sswipe !
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neet, kewl, thants OT over
Here’s the Deficits story…
And here’s the Stimulus story…
well, i guess that press conference reassured everyone that congress is on the job.
djia down to 7,633.85.
oops. my bad.
make that 7,576.90
I thought the $700 Billion was allocated in two tranches. Why doesn’t congress threaten to not approve the second $350 Billion if the Paulson won’t use the TARP funds to help the automotives.
Congress does have leverage, but why do they always refuse to use it?
And still tanking…!
Congress does have leverage, but why do they always refuse to use it?
Rhetorical question, right? ;-)
Stocks Drop Through Floor As Democrats Delay Auto Aid Vote
As UAW head Ron Gettelfinger held a news conference news scrolled on Detroit’s tv ch 7 that Sen. Levin said there was a bipartisan agreement.
He has some interesting things to say.
http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopula.....b482c1e594
The suppliers are already feeling the pinch. GM is likely to delay making payments as long as possible, and any contracts for normal deliveries of goods will be deferred.
Our household got a pay cut yesterday. There’s worse coming, but I can’t write about it.
Members of Congress are really clueless about how rapidly this is snowballing; imagine what happens if 5 million people suddenly stop buying anything for the next two months because they don’t know if they’re going to have a job, or they’re laid off before Christmas.
Congress has no real power. They appropriate money, but they have no way to keep day by day control over how it is spent. The best they can do is pick someone to put in charge who might turn the mess around. The chances of them agreeing on that someone and doing it are slim to none. This is the trouble with capitalism. Everyone covers their ass while the baby gets thrown out with the bath water. There’s no interest in community or the common good. Nothing comes after “what’s in it for me?”
I wrote about that earlier today. It’s suppose to be the highest earning cycle for retail. We have record unemployment. Hundreds of thousands have been told their companies are restructuring. And then the 2.5 issue. Reid is a bit lost by delaying. Do the bridge loan now. Make the business plan due on the same time table. Levin is right.
http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopula.....b482c1e594
This is UAW’s head Ron Gettelfingers transcript I transcribed of his press conference today. 8 minutes into this the tv has scrolled that an agreement had been reached. Which later was changed.