Comments on: What a Take Down of the US Automotive Industry Would Mean for Our Future http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:08:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mbuna http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732518 Mbuna Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:15:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732518 <p>While I don’t take issue with this article I feel you are missing the point. China is completely superfluous to the real issue here. How much do you know about Detroit corporate car culture? I was born in Detroit and raised there. My father and my brother worked for Chrysler for many years before getting forced retirement. I lived for many years about a mile away from the GM Tech Center and had many friends (and their fathers who worked there). Based on what I know and have seen about the automobile corporate culture I would suggest that a simple bailout of the auto industry has nothing to do with protecting those millions of jobs but would in fact ensure their downfall. Giving billions of dollars to the auto industry without eviscerating its corporate culture would be an act of sheer stupidity. But then who would be left to run the companies? The simple idea that money somehow will save this industry is complete nonsense. Maybe it just not salvageable, period. It might be better to let it all go and start from scratch I don’t know. The one thing I do know is that as long as all those auto executives still have their jobs, you have a dead auto industry walking and nothing the government does will make a damn bit of difference in the long run.</p> While I don’t take issue with this article I feel you are missing the point. China is completely superfluous to the real issue here. How much do you know about Detroit corporate car culture? I was born in Detroit and raised there. My father and my brother worked for Chrysler for many years before getting forced retirement. I lived for many years about a mile away from the GM Tech Center and had many friends (and their fathers who worked there). Based on what I know and have seen about the automobile corporate culture I would suggest that a simple bailout of the auto industry has nothing to do with protecting those millions of jobs but would in fact ensure their downfall. Giving billions of dollars to the auto industry without eviscerating its corporate culture would be an act of sheer stupidity. But then who would be left to run the companies? The simple idea that money somehow will save this industry is complete nonsense. Maybe it just not salvageable, period. It might be better to let it all go and start from scratch I don’t know. The one thing I do know is that as long as all those auto executives still have their jobs, you have a dead auto industry walking and nothing the government does will make a damn bit of difference in the long run.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732474 MarkH Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:50:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732474 <blockquote><p>you may recall that the neocons started out as dems.</p></blockquote> <p>No. They started out as neos and latched on to DLC Dems to become neoDLCers and then when Carter & Co. turned them out they went to the Repub Conservatives to become neoCons.</p> <p>Apparently they didn’t like Carter making peace in the Middle East.<br /> Therefore one can assume they want war in the Middle East.<br /> Dems dont’ want that war.<br /> Repubs let the war go on, so neoCons stayed Republican.</p> <p>But really, are the neoCons just Zionists with dual-US-Israeli citizenship or are they opportunistic war-mongers?</p>

you may recall that the neocons started out as dems.

No. They started out as neos and latched on to DLC Dems to become neoDLCers and then when Carter & Co. turned them out they went to the Repub Conservatives to become neoCons.

Apparently they didn’t like Carter making peace in the Middle East.
Therefore one can assume they want war in the Middle East.
Dems dont’ want that war.
Repubs let the war go on, so neoCons stayed Republican.

But really, are the neoCons just Zionists with dual-US-Israeli citizenship or are they opportunistic war-mongers?

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732464 MarkH Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:44:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732464 <blockquote><p>a uniquely American depression.</p></blockquote> <p>Heh. Don’t worry, the Republicans will save us. LOL</p> <p>America just recently (in the elections) didn’t trust the Republicans to save us from the mess they’ve made for us. Could there be a time in the not too distant future when Republicans will have stifled Dem efforts to fix things and the public would come around to believing new Repub faces can save us from this mess? Are Repubs hypocritical enough to use such a strategy to gain power again? Of course.</p> <p>It’s really really hard to stay within the bounds of law and still fight evil forces from within our country.</p>

a uniquely American depression.

Heh. Don’t worry, the Republicans will save us. LOL

America just recently (in the elections) didn’t trust the Republicans to save us from the mess they’ve made for us. Could there be a time in the not too distant future when Republicans will have stifled Dem efforts to fix things and the public would come around to believing new Repub faces can save us from this mess? Are Repubs hypocritical enough to use such a strategy to gain power again? Of course.

It’s really really hard to stay within the bounds of law and still fight evil forces from within our country.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732456 MarkH Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:38:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732456 <blockquote><p>In other words, China is in a position to end American global hegemony without having to fire a single shot. The weapon has instead been the slow and inexorable working of global economics, and all the military spending in the world won’t make all that accrued movement go away. So it may be too late to do anything about that.</p></blockquote> <p>Reading these comments I am led to wonder if there are some Capitalists in America who are “assisting” Chinese to choose a path which allows them to buy off certain American industries, move the World’s power center to China and all the while ’some Capitalists’ ride that wave to economic and political power as the wise advisers to the Chinese elite. Meanwhile, back in America people are wondering how the Chinese have gained the power to buy whole industries and why our political leaders can’t stop it (or won’t). Any Americans attempting to ride that tiger could become wildly powerful or dead.</p> <p>Americans would be left with a very different domestic and world economy and a very shrunken economy. Shrunken in politically significant ways, so urban, unionized and other heavily Democratic areas would be pretty much powerless to fight back.</p> <p>If the fighting isn’t occurring in the open, then we can assume some evil guys are behind these plans.</p>

In other words, China is in a position to end American global hegemony without having to fire a single shot. The weapon has instead been the slow and inexorable working of global economics, and all the military spending in the world won’t make all that accrued movement go away. So it may be too late to do anything about that.

Reading these comments I am led to wonder if there are some Capitalists in America who are “assisting” Chinese to choose a path which allows them to buy off certain American industries, move the World’s power center to China and all the while ’some Capitalists’ ride that wave to economic and political power as the wise advisers to the Chinese elite. Meanwhile, back in America people are wondering how the Chinese have gained the power to buy whole industries and why our political leaders can’t stop it (or won’t). Any Americans attempting to ride that tiger could become wildly powerful or dead.

Americans would be left with a very different domestic and world economy and a very shrunken economy. Shrunken in politically significant ways, so urban, unionized and other heavily Democratic areas would be pretty much powerless to fight back.

If the fighting isn’t occurring in the open, then we can assume some evil guys are behind these plans.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732388 selise Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:11:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732388 <p>clips are up.<br /> note these are ripped from the committee website stream.</p> clips are up.
note these are ripped from the committee website stream.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732344 selise Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:40:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732344 <p>neither youtube is yet processed, here are the links:</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG-tGV41KFc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG-tGV41KFc</a><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2O3GZeSJ4U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2O3GZeSJ4U</a></p> neither youtube is yet processed, here are the links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG-tGV41KFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2O3GZeSJ4U

]]> By: waynec http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732343 waynec Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:39:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732343 <p>Dogwhistles, Kabuki, and tea-leaves. Oh my…</p> Dogwhistles, Kabuki, and tea-leaves. Oh my…

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732307 selise Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:52:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732307 <p>you may recall that the neocons started out as dems.</p> you may recall that the neocons started out as dems.

]]> By: Hmmm http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732300 Hmmm Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:43:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732300 <p>You’re right, things might change in some way at future some point. I’m trying to figure out what the next moves are likely to be, based on the present conditions and dynamics. Puffery of the players being one possible indicator there of. Dogwhistles, Kabuki, and tea-leaves.</p> You’re right, things might change in some way at future some point. I’m trying to figure out what the next moves are likely to be, based on the present conditions and dynamics. Puffery of the players being one possible indicator there of. Dogwhistles, Kabuki, and tea-leaves.

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732295 Larue Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:33:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/what-a-take-down-of-the-us-automotive-industry-would-mean-for-our-future/#comment-1732295 <p>Lefty’s? Looking for war and enemies? </p> <p>I though all us lefty’s wanted whirled peas and tranquility.<br /> Along with jobs, incomes, and healthcare.</p> <p>How do you spin lefty’s into looking for war? </p> <p>Are you channelling Leo Strauss, and spinning it thru a fundie neo con lens? And then labeling lefty’s as demons, which is pure Straussian/Rovian methodology?</p> Lefty’s? Looking for war and enemies?

I though all us lefty’s wanted whirled peas and tranquility.
Along with jobs, incomes, and healthcare.

How do you spin lefty’s into looking for war?

Are you channelling Leo Strauss, and spinning it thru a fundie neo con lens? And then labeling lefty’s as demons, which is pure Straussian/Rovian methodology?

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