Per Marcy, who predicted it -- the Chinese car makers SAIC and Dongfeng have plans to acquire the Big 3:
A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly into China's plans. As reported before, China has realized that its export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say, challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs, Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he's in deep trouble.
At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a hundred billion $ would barely dent China's more than $2t in currency reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What overlap? They would gain instant access to the world's markets with accepted brands, and proven technology.
All the Shock Doctrine fanatics cheering to drive the the Big 3 into bankruptcy "restructuring" (like Mitt Romney, who can kiss future hopes of electoral victory in Michigan goodbye), whereby they stiff all their creditors and stockholders and tear up their union contracts, might want to think about the implications of this.
Of course the same legislators clamouring for bankruptcy could block the sale. But in doing so, and at the same time refusing a bridge loan, they are basically legislating the destruction of the Big 3 by refusing to let the "free market" they love to bang on about have its way and pay the company's legitimate debts. Or were all those insufferable lectures about "personal responsibility" when the bankruptcy bill was going through just so much claptrap?
Because selling the company would be far preferable to the Big 3 and those who are dependent on them than Chapter 7. But long-term it would not be without peril for the US. As ThingsComeUndone notes in the comments:
With no big three making cars what to stop Toyota and Honda from moving the plants to Mexico where costs are really low. Its only the threat of being shut out of the American market that keeps the Japanese building cars here. If we no longer have cars made in America by American companies we will have no choice but to buy their cars no matter where they are made.
I know long-term thinking isn't his forte. But as Richard Shelby is salivating at the prospect of yet another BMW SUV plant in his right-to-work state, it might be something for him to consider.
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Bullseye Jane, as per usual. digg
*cough* On China and unions. There is only one union in China and WalMart loves it.
Hold it. Does this mean that the Toyota Prius and the Honda Civic Hybrid will be cheaper if the Big 3 go under?
Place your orders here.
teh future is so dire, I dont think we can see it from here.
Bin Laden, and the neocons have won.
Asian Times has an article up about the Chinese economy and this quote was interesting to me.
And this part of the article, towards the end jumped out.
No they haven’t, at least not yet. Will take a bit of thinking outside the box. What would we do if we were attacked by extraterestials? Might be a place to begin.
More proof that the Republicans have accomplished their goal of destroying the US economy on purpose..Republicans are ‘econo-terrorists’. I think I mentioned this term yesterday.
Or were all those insufferable lectures about “personal responsibility” when the bankruptcy bill was going through just so much claptrap?
I think they were more horseshit than claptrap but i’m not one to pick nits.
Again, Jane, I realize the Lieberman debacle has kept you occupied but you’ve mnanaged to do good stuff on the big 3 assistance (I hate “bailout) issue and what will happen to UAW and labor generally. It’s not easy. Which is why i don’t have too much confidence in Congress getting it right. Please, more of this. (Is Tula still around or am I just missing her?)
Wait, wait! Where is all this doomsday stuff coming from? Patience, my little chickadees, patience. Yin and Yang (possible names for les automobiles chinois? and pardon my French) All is not yet lost. We need to pull up our socks and go on!!
Jane, I just got off the phone with Feingold’s DC office. The kid who answered the phone pulled up your post. I think he understood its importance.
I’ve tried calling Dodd’s DC office but the line is busy. It doesn’t even roll over into voicemail.
I got a surprisingly warm reception when I called Shelby’s office. They googled Marcy’s post and appeared to get it.
I think you’ve hit on a great
bipartisanbroadbased firewall here. You have to be pro-Chinese to not want to support some kind of intelligent support for the Big 3.IMHO - big issue here in terms of Congress’ trying to ’save US technology from the Asian hoard” — they own us, basically already in terms of the amount of debt. Can anyone say, “Step away from the auto companies and no one gets hurt”?
I wonder if Shelby et al have considered the national security implications of not having a US owned manufacturing base to retool in the event of war as the auto factories did in WW2.
Also, the lead story in today’s (LA) Daily News deals with the amount of auto imports that are piling up at the nation’s second largest seaport– dealers are simply refusing to take delivery.
I can just see it now,
Chevwoway, buiwt wike a wok”.
Tesla Motors can be the sole American car maker: maker of electric only vehicles.
Oh and off-topic from a previous thread: DA Patrick Fitzgerald should be AG. Or an environmental lawyer. Or a labor lawyer.
We’ve had enough corporate shills as AG.
Okay, this got my attention. And those of you who are so smart you’ve already contacted major players are doing what FDLers do best, i.e., doing something, kudos. Lots of ‘em. You represent the best of the blogosphere (along with Marcy, Jane, Christy, looseheadprop, elliot, I should never have started this list because I’ll forget someone for sure). Wellstone channeling Alinsky: organize, organize, organize.
Edit:
cheap
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Yes.
Booyah!
And that was assuming a “quality” context.
Forgot the URL for the story:
http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11017911
I would say you’re just missing her. I think Thursday afternoons are her normal time frame although she may also get in some others during the week.
Just as a sidebar on this topic, Jane. Isn’t it fascinating the way the MSM [like right now on CNN] bring on Richard Shelby to concern troll about the Big 3…without disclosing that his home state is one of the big sites of overseas-owned car manufacturers.
One wonders how much of Shelby’s posturing is to protect his homegrown outsourcing of American-worker generated profits?
That’s funny
I felt for some time that China is the ultimate corporation and our “leaders” have sold us to them. China forced the economic issue right before the election insuring an Obama win. I don’t think they did that for the good of this country.
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WASHINGTON–Democratic officials say former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle has accepted President-elect Barack Obama’s offer to become Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Associated Press is reporting.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.....-post.html
More here.
Alternative to Chinese moving everything to a low labor cost country is to pay U.S. workers Chinese wages.
So, we can possibly look forwrd to seeing things like this?
http://images.ehowa.com/chevytailgate.jpg
Look closely.
Just saw Shelby on CNN and he wants the Big3 to go into chapter 11. “Oh there will be some job loss but that’s to be expected. They should get rid of divisions and slim down!” He doesn’t say how many jobs will be lost and how the Union jobs would be lost. To me he seems to be saying the rethuglian mantra that the Unions have to give more… I wonder just how much the Rethuglians really want the Unions to give. My guess is everything and have the Unions just go away. This is just more of the Union busting that Regan started in the 80’s. Where the fuck was Shelby when $700 Billion was given to AIG and others? Where was the call to throw out the management?? He is just another fucked up Rethuglian who needs to be replaced. These rethuglians hacks are driving our country into the groud. They only care about themselves and their close Rich friends who give them money!
Ah so, you see probrum?
Shelby’s been anti-union all his life.
this is the race to the bottom that the global justice activists (primarily in latin america, but also here) were warning us of in the ’90s… only not just labor costs - environmental protections, labor rights, financial deregulation, even democracy itself
That’s exactly right, and can come about only thru Shock Doctrine. We are watching it before our very eyes.
Your best investment right now is a good CZ 75 P01 or the like. Guns and ammo so you can deal with the topping that comes with the race for the bottom (around the time you actually near that bottom): death squads. Once labor and social justice forces are down and out and struggling to regain a foothold, the elite send in the death squads to try to hold onto the “new system”.
Nice of us to be the Beta Test Site, huh?
This past summer I informed my hunter friend (who owns about 2 dozen guns) that in the worst case, I’m coming to his house so he can protect me.
yes. that is what has struck me today as i catch bits of today’s house financial services committee hearing on the auto industry bailout. arguments about how to bail out (yeah, i know) the sinking boat to keep it afloat for a little longer. but let’s make very sure we don’t address where the water is coming from or what we might do about all those leaks.
Naomi was on democracynow on Monday morning. She was actually a bit optimistic, saying now that we recognize the pattern, rather than be shocked by it and allowing people to do stuff to you, you should mobilize and not allow it. I think that’s what we’re about.
oh, they’ve had lots more practice than that. :(
Aren’t we getting the finished product? I thought the beta testers were the entirety of Central and South America. That the final product was first rolled out in Iraq but it got fumbled and now the product is being rolled out in the final market: the USA.
amen!hell yes!On Sat at the Miami Book Fair she suggested we apply our own Shock Doctrine to the economy. A total reversal of the Friedman economics being practiced on us today.
Saw that too.
We know the consequences of Friedman economics and I think that Keynesian economics, particularly the use of personal credit to finance a lifestyle beyond that which one’s income actually supports, needs to be reworked. Capitalism cannot live without credit but where do we draw the lines? How do we encourage saving and being consumers at the same time?
some counter-cyclical gov actions instead of pro-cyclical?
I don’t think this is a govt problem, it’s a cultural thing. Micro-electronics have made possible most of the durable goods available. Sure, big screen teebees cost in the thousands, but everybody wants one. Those products will evolve, it’s the nature of the beast. New and improved. Same concept used with Joy dish detergent 50 years ago. How do we alter consumer behaviour while the same time not harm the capitalist producer? Other than use the govt to ban ads like they did with cigs and limits on what can be in alcohol ads. For those of a younger generation there was a time when people could drink alcohol in their ads. Ever see anybody take a swig of beer today in a Bud ad? Would never make it on the air.
Just a little sumpin’ to think about.
i agree it’s cultural - and deadly.
advertising is selling us not just products, but a world view that is suicidal.
Advertising doesn’t just come through the advertisements we watch but the shows and programs we watch. How many Blackberrys are being sold by showing Obama’s reliance on his?
Try selling that concept to a large part of the modern generation. The ones who can’t wait for the next version of iPod 5 minutes after they bought the last version.
Product placement is the least expensive form of ads. Big discussion in movie/teebee industry about it as we speak.
I had a business relationship w/ James Garner at the time of his PI tv series in which he drove a pontiac. I was in the office when he decided to give one to his bro. He got on the phone w/ the GM/VP at pontiac and it was delivered the following week.
didn’t know about the blackberrys.
i’ve been trying not to watch tv (although i’ve been watching some lately - charlie rose and sunday morning talking heads). and even then i try to mostly listen and not watch (same for cspan streaming). listen to lots of podcasts. don’t know why but the visual cues seem to be much more insidious (at least for me).
makes a big difference - but i’ve got years of indoctrination to overcome.
I was cleanin’ pools in LA then and we’d see the location shoot and go down to be part of the background crowd. Coupla long haired hippies. Funny seein’ yersef on teebee.
.nytimes:Facing a Slowdown, China’s Auto Industry Presses for a Bailout From Beijing
GUANGZHOU, China — Do Chinese automakers need a bailout?
China’s car industry is quietly pressing Beijing for government help as it copes with a jarring slowdown, top Chinese auto executives said in interviews here on Tuesday.
This autumn, after six years of 20 percent or more annual growth, vehicle sales were flat or slightly negative, a shock to an industry that has borrowed heavily to build ever more factories for a market that had once seemed insatiable.
…China’s top three export markets for fully assembled vehicles are Russia, Ukraine and Vietnam, all of which are struggling with the global financial crisis.
Great Wall Motor has had a 40 percent plunge in its monthly exports to Russia in the last three months,
With China’s largest automakers involved in joint ventures with American automakers, and with the entire Chinese auto industry now seeking its own forms of government help as well, criticism of any bailout for Detroit has been muted. Producers elsewhere in Asia, facing declining markets at home as well, have also been hesitant to criticize.
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To quote Scooter in a letter to Judith Miller, albeit in a different context, but nonetheless relevant to worldwide debt consumption as consumers are maxed out and unable to consume more debt obligations; ”…the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them.”
Ah so, you melican plicks thought you won back in 1945.
Score thanks for the Shout Out Jane! Sorry I missed it!