With Senate races still to be decided in Minnesota, Alaska and Georgia, the Democrats are only three away from getting their 60. A Lieberman exit would make that goal impossible.
Does anyone seriously believe that Joe Lieberman would be the 60th vote against a Republican filibuster? After he sang the filibuster’s praises and said he feared for the nation’s survival if the Democrats got to 60 votes?
[Sen. Ben] Cardin emphasized Lieberman’s “total record — one of a progressive (state) attorney general, a progressive state legislator, a progressive senator.” He praised Lieberman’s “record on civil rights, his record on the environment, his record on consumer issues.”
A "progressive senator" who is pro-war, pro-warrantless wiretapping, and pro-torture? Who voted against the Alito filibuster (ironic, eh?) and showed zero compassion for rape victims? Who spoke at the Republican convention and campaigned for Republican candidates in presidential, Senate, and House races? There may be individual issues Lieberman is progressive on, but to call him a progressive is an insult to those of us who are.
Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., said that during the presidential campaign, Obama and other Democrats “talked about a message of unity. Today was living that message of unity….”
Why is "unity" a one-way street? Is there no line of disloyalty that a senator can cross that will result in any kind of meaningful consequences? This is not about magnanimity vs. vengeance, this is about accountability and trust. Not only did Lieberman go beyond the pale by campaigning for the opposition, but he betrayed his responsibility as a committee chairman by not investigating the Bush administration’s response to Katrina. For that negligence alone he should surrender his gavel to someone who will use it responsibly.
A club member can violate etiquette or break the rules, and Lieberman had done that. But it was in his interest and that of his fellow members to remain in the club.
Apt analogy, but wouldn’t the "club" be the Democratic caucus? Removing Lieberman’s committee chair is not the same as expelling him completely. If he wanted to join the party that just got kicked in the nards in two consecutive elections because he lost his gavel, that’d be his choice and good luck to him.
There is one other myth unaccounted for here, which is that Lieberman had to beg and plead and promise to be a good boy to keep his gavel. While he probably did make some promises, there is nothing in his history to suggest that he would ever keep any of them. And unless the organizing resolution for the next Senate is specifically structured to make chairs easy to remove, Joe will get away with it for the next two years, at which point this whole sorry cycle will repeat again.
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Ahhh.
Thanks Eli. I hate Liebershit and I wish the senate dems would cut him loose.
Hi Balrog.
Hey Eli. I guess Joe is like herpes or luggage. Something we just can’t seem to get rid of.
Some people seem to enjoy him…
Hi Tex. Hope you’re well?
I’m thinking about moving to CT just so I can vote against him.
This scoundrel needs to be turned out of office.
well ….. today is better than yesterday was
Digg it!
You’ve got a little under four years. Unless Obama can tempt him with a nice harmless cabinet post or ambassadorship.
ned is on rachel tongiht
i think they don’t care how lie-king moon votes, they don’t care what he does, they care that he is running the operations in connecticut. he’s hardwired-in, he’s not going anywhere.
billions and billions and billions of dollars, and that’s not counting the billions and billions and billions in grants for free corporate research at universities. click on the ‘grant’ tab after you throw up from the government contracts tab.
defense contracts, that are the bread for other states’ butter (the parts for the jets and the guns and the subs and all of the other little toys that also go along with it–i could go on,but i won’t)
click on expanded summaries. click on the money and see how much gets written off, too.
http://www.fedspending.org/fpd…..ateCode=CT
he knows all of the players, is the chair of the committee that creates the flow for the spending. for the government graft. regulations that affect us all, from our small towns now being ‘required’ to buy 1/2 mil response trucks they can’t afford that sit in garages, to new weapons, to new technologies to spy on citizens-called traffic cameras…..homeland security, it’s a big industry, and he’s sittin in the catbird seat. they want him there. he’s making them money.
anyone heard which ones backed him/been with him in public yet? i was waiting to hear that one. for a week.
i was so hoping someone would have some balls. but they knew their state’s bids would be left out of the next pig-=out handout of contracts. that’s reality.
Sorry. Crabby Balrog is back now.
who’s subbing for rachel?
Here’s to tomorrow being better yet. What can you tell us about the Cheney/Gonzo indictment?
The election results did nothing to reinforce their macaroni spines, reinforcing my hypothesis that the Democrats are the Washington Generals of Politics. As Mickey Z says: “The next time someone tells you America has a two-party system…demand a recount.”
Tom Curry? Does he do The Rock?
allison stewart, much better than last night. arianna.
And yet, CT was, like, third-to-last in federal pork per tax dollar in 2005…
only what i’m reading online.
It’s a shame to lose this one — but what we CAN do is keep him on a very short leash.
We need to watch him like a hawk (or like the Hawk he is) and the moment he’s not with us, will be the time to begin anew calling for his ouster. Just because he won this time, doesn’t mean he’ll win the next time.
He may not have had to promise anything — as you pointed out what difference would a promise from Joe make anyway? But we can make a promise to ourselves not to let him get away with anything that isn’t in the party’s interest.
my contempt for Joe Lieberman knows no bounds
No, something even better.
But what does that mean in practical terms, especially if his chair is untouchable for at least the next two years?
he makes me want to vomit just looking at him,and when he opens his mouth i really hurl
nor does mine!
So you probably don’t want to hear my “superhuman sexual magnetism” theory about why the Democrats let him get away with everything.
listening is worse than looking
Once again the “club” is pulling together. The Senate is more important than the will of the people. Gosh that sounds just like the Roman Empire.
um eli, they are 14th on the list for federal money, how they jimmy the books is another story. and that was three years ago, has gone up significantly.
and it’s not necessarily what they’re spending, it’s what they are making…what they are making other states depend on. and defense depends on.
so, sorry. there’s a lot more to it. thanks for the link.
all I know is that watertiger gets to the essence:
Joe Lieberman accepts the Senate Democratic Caucus apology.
Yeah, but we’re the ones doing the vomiting.
Al Gore is a helper.
Woe be the Democrat who doesn’t go all in helping Franken and Martin now. 60 would be sweet even if it guarantees nothing.
Hi Eli…..what a grotesque POS,but how are you,? got reservations for inaugural today ,kinda excited
If Joe were *really* diabolical, he would go down to Georgia to “help” Martin.
Hi sadly. I’m good, no plans for Inauguration Day.
gracefully, or reluctantly?
Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for “principled reasons” shouldn’t be forced to do so.
“In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital,” he said.———————–
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i want this YOUTUBED over and over…..mofos
Hi Eli.
About Ben Cardin’s comments on Lieberman’s progressivism, echoing Reid, looks like a case of compartmentalization. Just don’t look at his votes on the war, etc. Unless I’m missing something, isn’t the likely scenario that Lieberman will be the 60th vote on some issues, but not on national security issues, the war, and warrantless wiretapping? But aside from Lieberman, we voted the Dems in in 2006 to get us out of Iraq. They failed to deliver. Warrantless wiretapping? ditto. They suck.
I say let’s primary him again and get it done this time. That’s a message the Dems do understand.
hi Bets ,howya doin sweetz?
Ned lamont was on Rachel(Allison in for her) and was really great, he smacked down LIEberman, and said it is obvious LEberman feels more comfortable with t he reTHUGlicans no matter what the Dems think.
He said LIEberman is ALL WAR ALL THE TIME…good one Ned
really got a kick ,when rape gurney said
ITs TIME TO MOVE-ON
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh puke again
against his “better” nature
I think Joe would have a lot more difficulty employing the strategy he used in 2006 – the CT voters are on to him now, and they’re pissed.
and you also have to consider what the federal dollars are for in that state, take a look at the list of states you linked.
infrastructure.
you’d need to see a breakdown of the spending, which is what i gave you in my link. two different subjects–there is ’spending’ and there is ‘contracts’, not the same thing.
my link was CONTRACTS, not federal SPENDING. not the same columns eli.
bb in a minute–starving, gonna go make a quick egg sammich.
Ariana is smart but not a good host on television. Unfortunately her accent doesn’t work. She’s a better guest than a host. Alison Stewart rocks.
Mark my words: It is only a matter of time before Lieberman steps over the line again, and finally gets the boot he should have received this time.
is that the same Alison Stewart who guest-hosted Talk of the Nation on NPR today?
Although his performance this year will be hard to top. Which is not to say he won’t try.
Fair enough – if you sell out your party, you should get *something* in return.
we need to CANCEL HOMELAND SECURITY psty-hasty
Lieberman said he believes senators claiming to be “independent Democrats,” who caucus with the Democrats and hold Democratic majority Senate committee chairmanships, who refuse to support Democratic presidential nominees [and in fact campaign against them], for “principled reasons” shouldn’t be forced to do so.
posty-hasty
Dunno. I boycott NPR…
I’m off to see Watertiger! That pretty much does wrap it up, doesn’t it?
I hope there is some small hope of a collegial palace coup and Harry can
be overthrownresign to spend more time with his familybe asked to step aside. It’s no wonder why he couldn’t make a living as a boxer…he has only 1 principle i can detect…his offshore BANK ACCOUNT
Maybe Obama is going to shut down the DHS?
This isnt a response, I just clicked when not looking..anyway on Daily Kos’-brownsox- I read Jim Martin, the Democratic candidate in the contentious Georgia Senate runoff, is getting a big Democratic name coming into the state for him: Al Gore, who will be going to Georgia on Sunday, a Martin campaign source confirmed to Election Central.
Martin is still the underdog against incumbent GOP Sen. Saxby Chambliss, but this race remains on the table. The runoff election is expected to have very low turnout — it’s effectively the same as a special election in many ways — and as such will be all about ginning up turnout among the party base.
Jim Martin, the Democratic candidate in the contentious Georgia m Martin, the Democratic candidate in the contentious Georgia Senate runoff, is getting a big Democratic name coming into the state for him: Al Gore, who will be going to Georgia on Sunday, a Martin campaign source confirmed. So now the ‘new Joe’ will be down there ’stumpin’ for a Democratfor a change..especially with Martin’s vote being part of that mythical 60? right..right..? This is the perfect time for that question to be put to LIEberman,… right now the race in Georgia is within reach (the ALF-CIO IS ‘IN’ AS WELL) so LIEberman should be forced to make some kind of response to either helping Jim Martin-or NOT.
Myth: Reid is a leader.
False. Reid has consistently allowed the minority party to pass egregious legislation over the demands of his party’s constituency.
eli–also keep in mind that areas with a biggger tax base i.e. industry don’t have to get federal funds for things that more rural areas or areas without contract type corps do.
Better than last week. Better than yesterday. But still having trouble with the spine and balancing med stuff with my jobs, my kid, my website, etc.
I think the only way we can get rid of Harry Reid as Majority Leader is to get him out of the Senate.
But he’ll almost certainly be replaced by someone with the same kind of “leadership” skills.
extremely UN impressed when he was here for Q&A
The Democrats like him because he doesn’t make them do anything outside their own narrowly perceived self-interest.
Balrog says:
Al Gore is a helper.
Woe be the Democrat who doesn’t go all in helping Franken and Martin now. 60 would be sweet even if it guarantees nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When these “helpers go out to campaign, are they paid by the candidates campaign, or how does it work? What did Lieberman and Graham get for their Nanny duties to McCain?
Karen
Funny how Republicans are all for that on the state level but not the individual level, isn’t it.
peace and prosperity to you…..
I don’t trust the Senate Democrats to discipline Harry Reid any more than I trusted them to discipline Lieberman
thank you friend!
i’m hoping there’s someone in the dem party who has worked his/her ass off and deserves a chairmanship, and then whomever was in line after them, gets pissed enough to set him up.
i can’t understand why, being on a committee is an homor, being a chair is the plum, and he’s the plum committee chair. i completely wouldn’t get it, if i hadn’t dug around and seen what is in his state. i’m telin’ ya eli, that ’s why.
and i hope someone sets his pinass up and bowls a strike.
Like this?
;~P
yep, someone should sit her down, be a friend and tell her.
i missed it today, but she’s on npr sometimes.
defense money. mccain wants more war.
that is exactly what i hope happens.
I hope so, but I believe Lieberman’s committee is still responsible for government oversight, like Waxman’s committee in the House. The difference could not be more stark.
Dems pick up the senate seat in Alaska. They now control 58 seats- two to go.
It’s the dmac show
Where’d everybody go?
I got some lame haiku downstairs… Toobz style
;~P
if they were for the individual they would be democrats. lol.
he can’t do oversight, that’s what i keep pointing out–look at who the contracts are for in his state!!
rofl….i need to invent a blackboard to use on blogs.
i’m here
hey bonghead, yeah, i started to get pissed that i was epu’d again….lol. wondered where everyone went, hoped they were looking at the chart i linked…or my bill donahue diary i wrote the other day that i worked very very hard on and so many posts were made that day that it got bumped before many read it.
how f*cked up are things?
glad to see you back in full force
xxx/ooo
((bongdad))
he’s born again, again.
This is the first time I have been able to see the whole clip. Makes me sick. How is this person with no love of America (and apparently no top teeth) able to have this kind of power?
How sickening for the Sen Dems to pull this BS.But this hurts more in my mind for Ned Lamont;Lamont poured his heart out campaigning for Obama all across CT.And to have ‘em elevate Lieberman to the Gavel,should be a lesson to all.Never ever trust any politician.Anyone think Obama would be goin’ to Ct again to raise money for traitor Joe ?
The thing about the number 60, and someone please correct me if I’m wrong, is that given the number of Democrats who routinely vote with the Republicans as they goosestep in synchrony, when would we ever see Lieberman in a position to make the difference on a cloture vote?
Isn’t the number 60 meaningless?
Yep, he ran *against* the Democratic candidate nominated by the people of CT… and got rewarded with a pivotal gavel which he proceeded to swallow.
Probably. But thinking that you can count on Lieberman even if you manage to round up all 59 Democratic senators (counting Bernie and assuming Franken and Martin) is just madness.
ot-sidetopic to listen as you type–anyone tried http://www.jango.com? it’s my new obsession/toy.
Another episode of “simple answers”
Yes
eli, shhhh, that would be partisan…
He already said during the campaign that he thought it would be dangerous for the Dems to have 60 votes.
That should have told the Dems (dims?) everything they needed to know.
Yep, that’s what I linked to in my post. Any promises he might have made to keep his chair were less than worthless.
A couple of days ago you asked me about my airplane conversation with Senator D’Amato Did you catch my response or did it get EPU’d? If so, I’ll go look for it.
(He probably made some promises to obtain that chair in the first place; betcha he didn’t keep any of them either)
Yep, I saw it – very interesting. I’m always kind of amazed when I hear stories of liberals having pleasant interactions with Republicans, especially really unpleasant ones.
(Not meant as a snide or disparaging comment, please take it at face value.)
And they didn’t even have the courage to have an open vote! I suppose that was just to allow us to know exactly where we stand. I don’t really think the Senators have ever gotten over the Seventeenth Amendment.
“They certainly are!”
No more amazed than I was. Gotta know when to take advantage of the moment.
yes, it’s pretty fun, isn’t it?
I have a brilliant one I have to bite my tongue on. If I ever meet you in person I will swear you to secrecy and tell you about it.
yayah. pretty cool. get to play what you want with a few new ones they throw in. the more you load the list, the less they add in..heard one by franz ferdinand today, liked it.
Oh surely there’s a way of communicating it online without revealing names?
Oh never mind. I’ll try to make NN in Pittsburgh it the stock market recovers. Will you be there?
It’s a 20-minute walk, but I’ll try.
there’s a gallery there i want to see–owned by a friend’s cousin. he does incredible stuff, can’t remember his name. i rode a sternwheeler through all of the locks on the ohio to pittsburgh. highly recommend it if you havne’t done that yet. do it in october. from pittsburgh, you take the bus south, jump on the boat, and go home. all day long. with meals.
Huh. I’ll check that out, see if the girlfriend would be interested.
How cool was that? That was one of the highlights of my work in upstate NY, Clinton’s Ditch. It’s amazing what they did without modern earthmoving equipment. All those locks, a considerable engineering feat for 1825. Now I feel cheated, especially since I’ve been in Pittsburgh looking for something good to do in the past. Of course, ever since I spent a couple of days stuck in the fabulous Pittsburgh Airport during a Blizzard in the Eighties, it has kind of been on my shit list (blame US Air).
Oh, I almost forgot those damned Steelers!
It is another sad day, indeed, for what the caucus of the craven did, perhaps because there is not the combined intelligence of a dead mouse in the entire caucus, let alone the strength of character nor courage, was to give Lieberman, as the much vaunted SIXTIETH vote, essentially veto power. He has, de facto, due to the ignorance of that bunch become the most powerful man in the senate.
Of course, I argue with myself, according to my scenario, doesn’t any senator have that power now? I laugh at my presumption and respond: “It is obvious none of the rest would have neither sense nor wit nor stubbornness to exercise it.”
FWIW, Pittsburgh has a new airport now – it’s quite nice.
JFK is an armpit, however. And I’m speaking as a transplanted New Yorker.
i think it started in steubenville..call a local bus tours place..and anytime of year it’s cool, but autumn is spectacular….can be chilly though. layers. tables and bar are inside, and meals…snacky breakfast, full lunch and dinner. really nice, and affordable. one of my favorite things i’ve done.
takes all day, arrive at night and see all of the lights as you come into town. and there is a bar, but remember it’s a long trip. some people took books, but i did’t want to miss anything.
and you can do tall stacks in cincinnati, but it’s crowded and waaay expensive. different kind of crowd, was fun, but different experience. i liked the low-key version much better.the pittsburgh trip was so inspiring and wonderful.quiet.more down to earth. including the passengers. people from all over on bus tours. one from near gettysburg where i had just gone to a funeral, the tour guide knew my friend who died. knew her whole family. was out of town the day of the funeral.bizarre.
i’ll get hte name of the gallery and pass it on next time. he’s good.
it really was one of the neatest things i’ve ever done…a lot of people were bored after two hours, but i wasn’t. my imagination ran wild the entire day. was amazing.
and i forgot to say, ohio had/has a lot of canals, bits of them still laying around, so, that is also part of it, knowing how the water made it to the river. simple, you’re right, so simple, blew my brain.
That does sound pretty cool, plus maybe some photo possibilities – I’ll look at it for next fall.
Okay, cool. I met with the owner of Gallery Chiz about showing some of my photos – she liked them, but didn’t really have any space for them (small gallery, only does photo shows every couple of years).
I don’t see how you can talk about “why the Democrats allowed Lieberman to keep his gave” without talking about Lieberman’s unbelievably strong connections to AIPAC/Likud lobby?
Is this still too dangerous of a subject to discuss openly?
Eli, here’s another take on Obama on Lieberman from driftglass.
http://driftglass.blogspot.com…..-reid.html
p.s. Let’s open some windows and let some fresh air in.
I so wish that I could believe that. But I can’t.
Unity…huh?
The only prayer this country had was enough partisanship and disunity for the dems and the repubs to keep squealing on each other.
Oh well, it took the repubs 8 years to destroy themselves…but I think the dems can destroy themselves in 4.
Everyone in Orwellington DC united? No more pretend differences?
That means we are truely done for.
that’s cuz she can’t make much money on them..(i hate that).find places that need art on the walls, restaurants, shops, etc., ask them to hang your stuff, many places don’t know they get a ‘cut’ if they sell. plaster pittsburgh with your art.one friend even has his stuff hanging at the bank.
a friend of mine does consignment, but don’t know how well they would move. little college town.and don’t know how much wall space he has right now.last month he didn’t have any, but it changes.
http://www.billsartstore.com
do you have your work posted anywhere so i can refer it? flickr or anything? you can email me at dmactree at yahoo, is my ‘junk’ email addy, don’t check it every day.will get the gallery name for you, will see what i can do, or will see what my friend can do with her cousin.
a kazillion photo opportunities. like i said,my imagination ran wild the entire day. eye candy, brain candy, soul candy. you’re goin’ upriver for a day, different light, different terrain. lookin’ at the shore goin by. the coolest were some of the things the water does.
take care
nite
Can you for five minutes? How ’bout now? 8>) (as she smiles sweetly)
That’s all right – I don’t actually *need* to display or sell my photos, it’s just a hobby.
Most of my best stuff is in the photo gallery on my blog.
I wish. The Democrats have been played so many times, I just can’t imagine them doing anything tough or shrewd.
very niiiiice. i didn’t dig into them yet, but you do TOO need to display them!!!
about seven of them are stuck in my brain, and that’s just after glancing.
wow.