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		<title>By: M.B.S.S.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1731412</link>
		<dc:creator>M.B.S.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey you guys, want to have some fun?  go over to Dailykos and take a look at the teeth gnashing and infighting over there.  lulz.  it’s the pinnacle of hilarity.  those partisan hacks want to believe that they know real politik and are so much more mature than 3rd party supporters and those to their left who support “dead enders” like Nader.  they love to call themselves progressives and the big cheese himself, kos, is always talking about “more and better democrats” and how they are the progressives that make power plays and are “living in reality.”  its hilarious.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the fact of the matter is the two party system is a joke and the inauspicious start of the Obama admin. is proof.  corporate party a and corporate party b are buddy buddy behind closed doors, and owe their ultimate allegiance to their corporate paymasters.  3rd party candidates are the only solutions for real progressives.  there is no progress or change within the democratic party.  they are much worse and corrupt than the republican party, and we all know how corrupt those guys are.  the fact of the matter is that democrats are worse because they pretend to stand for some sort of principles, but in the end, once the facade is broken, we see what they are really made of.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;think of all those hopeful grassroots and netroots activists who bought into Obama’s act wholesale.  gave money, knocked on doors, convinced their family to vote dem.  now they look and see rahm, larry summers, hawk hilary at secretary of state, joementum emerges unscathed, no tortue justice, the war machine simply changing venues, etc, etc, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cry your eyes out idiots.  and next time you want to mock 3rd party candidates as “irrelevant,”  go  ahead.  your vote is irrelevant, your opinion is irrelevant, only your money is relevant you mark, you monkey, you serf.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh but dont take my word for it, just ask chris hedges what he thinks:   truthdig.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey you guys, want to have some fun?  go over to Dailykos and take a look at the teeth gnashing and infighting over there.  lulz.  it’s the pinnacle of hilarity.  those partisan hacks want to believe that they know real politik and are so much more mature than 3rd party supporters and those to their left who support “dead enders” like Nader.  they love to call themselves progressives and the big cheese himself, kos, is always talking about “more and better democrats” and how they are the progressives that make power plays and are “living in reality.”  its hilarious.</p>
<p>the fact of the matter is the two party system is a joke and the inauspicious start of the Obama admin. is proof.  corporate party a and corporate party b are buddy buddy behind closed doors, and owe their ultimate allegiance to their corporate paymasters.  3rd party candidates are the only solutions for real progressives.  there is no progress or change within the democratic party.  they are much worse and corrupt than the republican party, and we all know how corrupt those guys are.  the fact of the matter is that democrats are worse because they pretend to stand for some sort of principles, but in the end, once the facade is broken, we see what they are really made of.  </p>
<p>think of all those hopeful grassroots and netroots activists who bought into Obama’s act wholesale.  gave money, knocked on doors, convinced their family to vote dem.  now they look and see rahm, larry summers, hawk hilary at secretary of state, joementum emerges unscathed, no tortue justice, the war machine simply changing venues, etc, etc, etc.</p>
<p>cry your eyes out idiots.  and next time you want to mock 3rd party candidates as “irrelevant,”  go  ahead.  your vote is irrelevant, your opinion is irrelevant, only your money is relevant you mark, you monkey, you serf.  </p>
<p>oh but dont take my word for it, just ask chris hedges what he thinks:   truthdig.com</p>
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		<title>By: fasteddie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730779</link>
		<dc:creator>fasteddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lieberman is a back-stabbing ass, but if you want to shift considerable budget $$ out of DOD and into something progressive, his vote is needed.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You could make Holy Joe into a “R” and make everyone feel better, and then not get any meaningful reform.  Bite off your nose to spite your face.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sun-Tzu - “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Driftglass put it well the other day: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-and-harry-reid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://driftglass.blogspot.com.....-reid.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
And Read The Whole Thing - Drift has a wayyyyy with words. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
“And while driving Holy Joe into the political wilderness would certainly slake some of my thirst for righteous fucking payback, I also recognize it’s a poor bargain. It would perhaps gain the President Elect the further admiration of people who are already with him, but it wouldn’t increase his stock of political capital one dime, and would come at the cost of potentially turning a derelict into a fanatic and creating an enemy who will be the tip of the spear used to poke him in the eye for the next two years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is also be a definitive act, one that can’t be undone and would necessarily foreclose the possibility that Joe Lieberman’s political carcass would be available as a flotation device in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, keeping Lieberman inside the tent and on double-secret probation opens up the possibility of running a subtler, reverse-Sister Souljah bit of jujitsu: in a move that would cost him essentially nothing, President Elect Obama would get to show the world his maverick independence from the Dirty Fucking Hippies, and while he demonstrated public magnanimity, he can also privately put Lieberman’s balls in a vice for the rest of his term.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Lieberman shuts the fuck up, geeks on command and shits Tiffany cuff links, it’s a win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Lieberman sets one foot off the reservation, the Obama crew can quietly make things so fucking awful that he bolts the Party, at which point the Party has its fall guy, and President Obama’s Press Secretary can announce in his or her best more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger voice that although the President gave Holy Joe every chance to redeem himself for his many, many betrayals, it is obvious now that Joe is incorrigibly bent and can never be trusted.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama knows what he is doing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieberman is a back-stabbing ass, but if you want to shift considerable budget $$ out of DOD and into something progressive, his vote is needed.  </p>
<p>You could make Holy Joe into a “R” and make everyone feel better, and then not get any meaningful reform.  Bite off your nose to spite your face.</p>
<p>Sun-Tzu &#8211; “Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.”</p>
<p>Driftglass put it well the other day: </p>
<p><a href="http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-and-harry-reid.html" rel="nofollow">http://driftglass.blogspot.com&#8230;..-reid.html</a><br />
And Read The Whole Thing &#8211; Drift has a wayyyyy with words. </p>
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“And while driving Holy Joe into the political wilderness would certainly slake some of my thirst for righteous fucking payback, I also recognize it’s a poor bargain. It would perhaps gain the President Elect the further admiration of people who are already with him, but it wouldn’t increase his stock of political capital one dime, and would come at the cost of potentially turning a derelict into a fanatic and creating an enemy who will be the tip of the spear used to poke him in the eye for the next two years.</p>
<p>It is also be a definitive act, one that can’t be undone and would necessarily foreclose the possibility that Joe Lieberman’s political carcass would be available as a flotation device in the future.</p>
<p>On the other hand, keeping Lieberman inside the tent and on double-secret probation opens up the possibility of running a subtler, reverse-Sister Souljah bit of jujitsu: in a move that would cost him essentially nothing, President Elect Obama would get to show the world his maverick independence from the Dirty Fucking Hippies, and while he demonstrated public magnanimity, he can also privately put Lieberman’s balls in a vice for the rest of his term.</p>
<p>If Lieberman shuts the fuck up, geeks on command and shits Tiffany cuff links, it’s a win.</p>
<p>If Lieberman sets one foot off the reservation, the Obama crew can quietly make things so fucking awful that he bolts the Party, at which point the Party has its fall guy, and President Obama’s Press Secretary can announce in his or her best more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger voice that although the President gave Holy Joe every chance to redeem himself for his many, many betrayals, it is obvious now that Joe is incorrigibly bent and can never be trusted.” </p>
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<p>Obama knows what he is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: d0wnt0wn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730734</link>
		<dc:creator>d0wnt0wn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How soon came we get rid of Reid??????????????????????????????????&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon came we get rid of Reid??????????????????????????????????</p>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730707</link>
		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well .. imo .. the next election comes around .. i may as well simply throw darts at the balot and vote according th where they land .. chosing either a “D” or an “R” simply doesn’t seem to make any difference anymore .. oh .. for sure there are extremes but the in vast muddle ..what’s the diff ??  ya know .. if i had wanted republicans running the country .. i really would have voted &lt;em&gt;that &lt;/em&gt; way .. but with this bunch of bastards i can’t really make a distinction ..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well .. imo .. the next election comes around .. i may as well simply throw darts at the balot and vote according th where they land .. chosing either a “D” or an “R” simply doesn’t seem to make any difference anymore .. oh .. for sure there are extremes but the in vast muddle ..what’s the diff ??  ya know .. if i had wanted republicans running the country .. i really would have voted <em>that </em> way .. but with this bunch of bastards i can’t really make a distinction ..</p>
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		<title>By: Peeledonion</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730701</link>
		<dc:creator>Peeledonion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m trying to wrap my head around the logic of this decision. I can only come up with this: He’s being given all the cash n’ prizes as a way of guilting the crap out of him come voting time (”how can you now turn against the very people who saved your ass?”). The loss of Lieberman (Joe the Quisling) would mean the loss of the magic 60 and, as a loose cannon he could do more damage than if he were “close by”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Logic notwithstanding, it annoys the shit out of me that he’s not being given some sort of public humiliation, chastisement or some form of punishment (I would love to see his ass booted out of the party, even if it meant losing the Magic 60). And even though I can see the political game that’s being played, it lowers by several flights my opinion of Reid, Pelosi and the others who feigned outrage over Lieberman’s attempt at sabotage and then act as though nothing happened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish to Christ they would put the Machiavelli playbook away. Even the Sopranos didn’t play that game.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m trying to wrap my head around the logic of this decision. I can only come up with this: He’s being given all the cash n’ prizes as a way of guilting the crap out of him come voting time (”how can you now turn against the very people who saved your ass?”). The loss of Lieberman (Joe the Quisling) would mean the loss of the magic 60 and, as a loose cannon he could do more damage than if he were “close by”.</p>
<p>Logic notwithstanding, it annoys the shit out of me that he’s not being given some sort of public humiliation, chastisement or some form of punishment (I would love to see his ass booted out of the party, even if it meant losing the Magic 60). And even though I can see the political game that’s being played, it lowers by several flights my opinion of Reid, Pelosi and the others who feigned outrage over Lieberman’s attempt at sabotage and then act as though nothing happened.</p>
<p>I wish to Christ they would put the Machiavelli playbook away. Even the Sopranos didn’t play that game.</p>
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		<title>By: coopert9</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730652</link>
		<dc:creator>coopert9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;they sure showed Lieberman!  they had to go a little easy on him, his approval rating was north of 25%, what choice did they have?  i am disgusted, but not surprised.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m going to miss Howard Dean.  I have very little confidence that his replacement will understand that people vote for a party that actually has core beliefs and is willing to stand up for those beliefs.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The lack of strenght, the absolute disregard of the progressive wing of the democratic party is depressing.  But what is the alternative?  Scream and yell?  I am constantly dismayed by the lack of fortitude of the democratic leadership.  I think it is true, change comes from the bottom up, and I guess that will be reason to carry on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they sure showed Lieberman!  they had to go a little easy on him, his approval rating was north of 25%, what choice did they have?  i am disgusted, but not surprised.  </p>
<p>I’m going to miss Howard Dean.  I have very little confidence that his replacement will understand that people vote for a party that actually has core beliefs and is willing to stand up for those beliefs.  </p>
<p>The lack of strenght, the absolute disregard of the progressive wing of the democratic party is depressing.  But what is the alternative?  Scream and yell?  I am constantly dismayed by the lack of fortitude of the democratic leadership.  I think it is true, change comes from the bottom up, and I guess that will be reason to carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730632</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah yes, all Democrats can breathe deeply today and say, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eich bein ein Liebermaner. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yip freakin pee.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, all Democrats can breathe deeply today and say, </p>
<p><em>Eich bein ein Liebermaner. </em></p>
<p>Yip freakin pee.</p>
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		<title>By: karnak12</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730613</link>
		<dc:creator>karnak12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ya know at some point Joe is going to break it off in them. That’s his nature, that’s what he does. And it’s gonna leave a mark.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But ya know what? They - Harry, DiFi, Pres-elect, all of them, deserve every bit of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That really is the only satisfying thing about this whole sham of a travesty&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know at some point Joe is going to break it off in them. That’s his nature, that’s what he does. And it’s gonna leave a mark.</p>
<p>But ya know what? They &#8211; Harry, DiFi, Pres-elect, all of them, deserve every bit of it.</p>
<p>That really is the only satisfying thing about this whole sham of a travesty</p>
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		<title>By: CalGeorge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/its-official-lieberman-won/#comment-1730611</link>
		<dc:creator>CalGeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Way to go, Barack. I guess looking forward precludes looking behind you to see who is stabbing you in the back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My expectations for an Obama admin just went down about ten notches.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go, Barack. I guess looking forward precludes looking behind you to see who is stabbing you in the back.</p>
<p>My expectations for an Obama admin just went down about ten notches.</p>
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		<title>By: welshTerrier2</title>
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		<dc:creator>welshTerrier2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi FDL’ers. This is my very first post here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve read most of the responses and I’m a bit perplexed.  All the focus seems to be on Lieberman and not on the 42 Democratic Senators and Mr. Obama who supported him. Why is that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further, is Lieberman’s crime that he betrayed the party? Is that somehow more important to FDL’ers than &lt;a href=&quot;http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2008/nov/video/dnB20081117a.rm&amp;proto=rtsp&amp;start=42:09&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d be happy to join any campaign to defeat Lieberman.  But I’ll go further and hold the Democrats responsible for granting him two Chairmanships. Without support from his Democratic colleagues, Lieberman would have had no chance to be re-elected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FDL’ers. This is my very first post here.</p>
<p>I’ve read most of the responses and I’m a bit perplexed.  All the focus seems to be on Lieberman and not on the 42 Democratic Senators and Mr. Obama who supported him. Why is that?</p>
<p>Further, is Lieberman’s crime that he betrayed the party? Is that somehow more important to FDL’ers than <a href="http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2008/nov/video/dnB20081117a.rm&amp;proto=rtsp&amp;start=42:09" rel="nofollow">this</a>?</p>
<p>I’d be happy to join any campaign to defeat Lieberman.  But I’ll go further and hold the Democrats responsible for granting him two Chairmanships. Without support from his Democratic colleagues, Lieberman would have had no chance to be re-elected.</p>
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