I think I am having an aneurysm. Why in the name of all that is sensible would Barack Obama want a Clinton re-tread as AG? Not just any Clinton re-tread, nope, the brain trust behind the Marc Rich pardon. Do you know how many brilliant, talented lawyers with great judgment he has advising his campaign?
And if he wanted to look behind his campaign volunteers how many brilliant talented lawyers with excellent DOJ experience and sterling judgement –and impeccable Dem credentials if he was feeling partisan–there are to chose from?
Why choose someone with this kind of credibility shattering baggage? Did he not notice what happens when you have craven toadies in the AG slot? Alberto Gonzales ring any bells?
If Holder was not able to speak truth to power about the Marc Rich pardon, how will soon to be President Obama expect Holder to give him the unvarnished advice he will need? How can he expect a guy with that kind of credibility deficit to heal DOJ and attract the kind of people who can restore DOJ to its former reputation for integrity?
Look, I heard Holder was some kind of friend of Obama’s. Fine, invite the guy over for dinner at the White House, include in him your weekly card game, send him a really nice Christmas card, but DOJ needs a person without baggage, who can command the respect and admiration of the people still working there and the new troops and management you need to attract. It needs someone who can hit the ground running and will enjoy a honeymoon period, not someone whose mere name conjures up visions of bad judgment and back room deals.
Mr. President elect? You could have done so much better. And you had so much to chose from.
Update: Picking Holder will also complicate the vetting process for Hillary Clinton for Secy of State. Why buy trouble for two nominees?
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I can only hope barack is planning on making wholesale changes once he hits the ground
I don’t mind comming into office with people who know exactly what to do to get started, so long as changes are made once everything is going
Just what are his qualifications may I ask I’m from Illinois too and never heard of him?
Holder is a jackass and should be Borked. He is not worthy.
But the Clintons are?
Better than the bush’s guy, that’s what to expect. To bad they didn’t elevate Lieberman to speaker . O by the way the torture wasn’t that illegal.
Perris,
Just off the top of my head I could give a list as long as your arm of people with the experience and credibilty to hit the ground running at DOj.
There was no reason to pick someone with this kind of baggage.
It’s on a par with putting Jamie Gorelick on the 9=11Commission. It just undermines the message and the mission on day one.
Isn’t a pardon just a way to reward people with cash most of the time? What real experience does he have with the law or running a government dept? Who would you suggest. I like Fitz if you want to be bipartisan.
What a wonderful, post-partisan, reward-bad-behavior day THIS is turning out to be!
He’s a former Deputy AG, and the guy who signed off on the Marc Rich pardon, while Rich was fugitive and over the objections of the US Attorney’s Office which had indicted Rich.
There is a clear directive in the pardon guidelines about not pardoning fugitives–these guidelines are not binding on the president, but if Holder knew thing one about speakign truth to power, or cared afig about DOJ, he would have resigned or at least raised a public stink about it.
He undercut his own people and toadied to the president under really fishy looking circumstances. Check the link in the update
Is this a trial balloon I hope? Is Rahm leaking names to further his agenda? Funny how Rahm gets in and Obama starts leaking.
As you know, I was a firm advocate of Janet Napolitano. That aside, it should also be pointed out that Holder is mixed up in covering for terrorist supporting Chiquita Brands, and, from his previous stint at DOJ, will be institutionalized enough that he will never seek accountability for the massive criminal and ethical malfeasance that has been rampant in the DOJ over the last eight years.
I picked a bad day to give up scotch…
There’s no chance this is just a trial balloon is there?
Is there any other dirt we can use? The GOP is going to have a field day with this they and Joe will all vote No.
NO No No,
The vast majority of pardons are for people who have 1) completed their sentences, 2) rehabilitated their lives, 3) are merely looking to get their reputations back and have rights restored.
They usually have no connection to the president. it’s only since the Iran Contra pardons that the whole pardon thing has developed a bad reputation.
Clinton’s 11 th hour pardon extravaganza has never bee adequately explained, and if there was a quid pro quo for the pardon….?
He is a lot better choice than Zoe Baird or Kimba Wood, experience wise. And the Marc Rich deal was just that and is the only blemish on his record that I am aware of. So long as he goes along this time with Obama in terms of leadership, that is all we need.
Good angle I don’t think Hispanics can support him if we get the story out to the MSM. Got a link?
Ford Nixon Pardon
I don’t want Obama’s nominees to be borked. I don’t want him to pick nominees that NEED to be borked.
This is just dumb. There was no need to do this. And Obama could have put Holder at FBI where this would not be an issue b/c FBI reports to AG, not to president. So, if you have a strong AG, who will speak truth to power, your FBI guy merely needs to be a good administrator
Do you know how many brilliant, talented lawyers with great judgment he has advising his campaign?
Based on what I’ve seen so far, I’m going with *none.* Like his economic re-treads.
And I can only hope that the Republicans in Congress tear out throats in the nomination process. At least there is one party that does still have a spine, even if does split to resolve itself into three sets of cervical vertebra, clothed in fur in fangs.
I doubt anyone will, but I’m waiting patiently for them to start asking questions about the Clinton era renditions to torture and killing and how it is going to play at state, having Hillary warming Condi’s hooker boots, while other countries (like the UK might do now with the Binyam Mohammed case) start feeling compelled by REAL lawyers and REAL judges to look into some of the Clinton era torture crimes.
Change you can
believe inget screwed with.Oh I dunno. I think Ford’s pardon of Nixon left a bit of a stench on things.
The Ford Nixon Pardon in hindsite turned out to be a bad idea, but at the time, I don’t think anyone was sure–least of all Ford.
I think Ford did the wrong thing for the right reasons. I genuinely belieive that Ford thought he was doing it to heal the country. Later history showed that it set a terrible precident that has come back to haunt us, over and over.
I have the sneaking suspicion we’ll be in the “playing it safe” mode for the first hundred days. Color me optimistic.
AG should be a no-brainer: Fitz.
thank you!!!
i’m going to disagree – my ideal AG is (at least today) senator russ feingold.
If this comes to pass given the BS with Lieberman today, perhaps those in the netroots will finally appreciate the fact that those we elect only care about the people when their stumping for a regal position. Once the fan fare is over and the new kids on the block take their seats, it’s business as usual. Screw the American voter. We have our prize and after a few years, who’s really going to care anyway. election cycle after election cycle the results are always the same. Power does whatever it wants to do and whether Democrat or Republican they both answer to a higer authority. That authority is the money that flows from K street and warped corporate interests.
Politics has always been and will continue to be a shell game with we the poeple holdinbg the short end of the stick each and every time. don’t hold your breath waiting for obama to go after the teleco’s on FISA as the governments need to spy on you is far more important. Need your computer after that trip you took to Europe? Don’t worry, Motherland Security will get it back to you in a few months. Need a forclosure bailout because you being evicted in the dead of winter. Not to worry, you surely must have some relatives you can shack up with until spring when you can then use that new tent you got for Christmas and join the others living under a highway overpass.
Yeah. When it comes to doing what is right for America, when it comes to doing the peoples business, all the flowery speeches given seem to fade away just like the old soldiers we are, and after a while it’s business as usual and screw the little guy.
1) Of the lawyers I am personally acquainted with who were campaign policy advisers, there are several I truly admire.
2)Forget about it on moral grounds for a minute, this is a stupendous waste of political capital that obama will need to get stuff done.
You don’t waste goodwill picking borks.
Once, a long time ago, if the myths are heard from that age, the pardon was the relief of a miscarriage of justice that allowed the king to set aright an unsafe decision against innocence. What it has devolved into appears more a political auction to assuage the highest bidder.
Well, that’s one hypothesis. Give Obama another Friedman unit?
http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia253.htm
I thought Obama opposed the Columbia free trade agreement because of Columbia’s human rights violations.
McCain made a face when Obama mentioned that in the debate. How many of those 3,000 guns were used to kill Union members?
Can we get Union members in on this? Obama risks loosing his human rights, Union and Hispanic cred on this.
Death squads killing brown people is a personal pet peeve of mind.
Oh, I just be Reid would object. </sarcasm>
…bet…[blast!]
Yes, Holder represented Chiquita
1,830 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen looseheadprop and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
As a non-lawyer with only 3 brain cellz left, what the fuck are we learnin’ about Obama today…in my opinion he’s not ready for prime time. Sister looseheadprop, is this a trial baloon or a done deal? It looks to me like Rahm Emmanuel is usin’ his juice early ta screw the fuckin’ hippies and get Hilary and Bill another term.
KEEP THE FAITH ASND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, WE GO TA WAR WITH WHAT WE GOT…DEMS FIRST!!!
That’s exactly my point in my Q to Sunstein at Netroots Nation. Fer crying out loud, he claims to be familiar with behavioral economics. He was completely unmoved by my arguement.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1837
OK. Feingold is even better. And the Wisconsin gov is a Dem.
obama can have the benefit of the doubt when he’s done something to earn it.
http://www.colombiajournal.org/colombia253.htm
They gave to left wing terrorists then to right wing terrorists and this guy swept it under the rug….after 9/11?
Obama is wasting a lot of cred but for what? There are other African American lawyers.
That’s it and that will be a whole lot better for the second hundred days. Better that than the cluster**** of the Clintons’ first hundred days
28 – well, if you can waste it on a wet kiss for Lieberman, why not on a payback for Holder? Besides, Obama’s pretty much used to seeing the process as it has been under Bush – not so much when people like Ervin were still around; not so much the Bork hearings or Watergate. He’s got no reason to think he hasn’t just been made King and will get whatever he wants.
And while I love ya lhp, I think our views of lawyers don’t always jive.
He’s trying to be the return of Clinton, hoping for better results, I think.
I want better appointees, not more of the same. ‘Reconciliation’ and ‘bipartisanship’ only goes so far, and, for me, retreads aren’t it.
I really hate being disappointed even before he takes office.
Here’s a good Rahm expose.
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/…..iraldi-17/
Well, of course he did, LHP. And the only possible answer is that he wanted a toadie. He wanted the Dem’s version of Gonzales.
Actually, I was hoping he would pick someone whose experience was in the State AG level. Perhaps a Senator from a state with a Dem Governor. Someone who almost got appointed Sec’y of State, but apparently got punked, even though he was one of Obama’s first supporters.
Right now I’m not real happy with Kerry, but I’d sure prefer his selection as AG than with the one that got picked.
Two down, how many more disappointments to go?
Bummer.
Although can I just say, being from Illinois, I’m relieved it ain’t Fitz. We need him here. Boy, do we need him here.
There’s no such thing as a good day to give up scotch. Gen Robert E Lee, ever the gentleman, never referred to northerners as Yankees, he always said “these/those people.” I think the term is going to see much usage in my comments in future.
Yeah this seems more Rahm’s play than Obama’s who is vetting for Obama the Clinton people? Good thing we are here and we have google.
Have we been tricked again? As the day goes on, the news gets worse and the feeling of betrayal grows!
luv ya back
i’m not so sure.
- selise in MA
Oh, if I’d known you were a scotch drinker, and if I’d known how Dean & Sunstein were going to react to my question at NN, I’d have brought a flask to share. *g*
‘And while I love ya lhp, I think our views of lawyers don’t always jive.’
Ditto. Don’t DOJ lawyers realize that they’ve been gravely tainted by 8 years of BushCo? I’d think they’d support some sort of public purification process.
i wouldn’t mind bruce fein either if you want a republican.
39 – not only that, but they also had off the record meetings with Chertoff to get his advice on how to proceed — and everything resolved into just a fine. No one sent to GITMO, no one charged under the MCA with support of terrorism.
Don’t worry, the Republicans have already said they’ll approve Holder despite the Rich pardon:
SD: I was just kidding about the scotch.
yea, that was a tonsil-tickler today wasn’t it.
Have you heard of any career DOJ types applauding this news? My fear is that the folks who hid out in their offices with the door closed, and hung in there waiting for regime change in the belief that help/hope was on the way, may just throw in the towel—
Taking lots of valuable institutional memory with them. Right now cases, good cases are not being prosecuted in the metropolitan NY area b/c there are not enough people with the experience to try them.
This is very bad. Whole units are decimated, I hear.
Next time for sure!
Jim, buddy, you’re killing me here
LHP, haven’t you heard? The same old same old is the new change.
Having one as we speak. Purely medicinal for my cold, ya know. *wink*
So, like, who IS this guy? If it’s Chicago-buddy time, what about Patrick Fitzgerald?
Holder, a Reagan appointee, Clinton appointee, entangled in Israeli/Iranian “smuggling” operations via Chiquita & Marc Rich is supposed to be the disinfectant “change” at the top of the DOJ ?
maybe a Bonfire of the Legaleagleties
Did he not put out a statement that he was not going to fill up his admin with a bunch of Clinton retreads? I remember Tweety saying those words, but weren’t they from something from the Obama camp?
Or did Tweety just make that up so I would feel good for a week?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..37696.html
Is he the guy who got rid of the independent counsel law? When Dems were out of political power? Sure it helped the Clintons kind of but WTF! That law is one of the best things for a party out of power to provide a check on power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_counsel
We’re startin’ a revolution. Wanna come?
You’ve written the epitaph of the Obama administration. “SaSsy”, the Safe and Sorry administration that could stare down the progressive ghost of FDR, but which blinked when facing off with the real Joe Lieberman.
Bush picked African Americans who were unworthy, but who, like Lurita Doan, were happy to sit at the front desk and ask where the cookies were. He picked the federal versions of Ohio’s Ken Blackwell, who, like religious converts, were more neocon than the neocons. And he picked those who had brains and talent and “market value”, then gelded them by ignoring their advice because their politics were too wet.
Obama is acting as if he were water, spilled on the Village’s dried sponge. He is being soaked up them, perhaps because what we see is his paying back the debts that won him the White House. (Odd, voters thought they did that.) He’s likely to run out of political cash faster than Hank Paulson runs out of the real stuff. As the Joe Lieberman debacle demonstrates, Obama is becoming proof that having a Club membership is vastly more important than what you do with it. Never mind that his skin is the same as the waiters’ and greens keepers’.
[Mod Note: Let’s avoid the racial stereotypes please.]
52 I’d think they’d support some sort of public purification process.
I wouldn’t. Think about what it takes to be someone who has stayed, knowing for a half decade that their presence and silence are in active support of State Sponsored torture. Those kinds of people don’t want purification – the bleach it would take to purify those stains would eat away the flesh and if they had any soul, they would have left and raised hell over DOJ being a torture wing a long time ago. Purification for them is a loss, not a gain.
Holder’s not a Chicago buddy. he used to be (before DAG) USA in Va. He campaigned for Obama and was an early supporter. I don’t think his support was as critical in terms of credibility and fundraising as some other early supporters.
according to press reports, they got buddy buddy during the campaign
55 – Well, it’s the least Scooter Libby could do for his Rich Friend, isn’t it? Make sure some liars are played to lull Cerebus to sleep for now.
Clinton 2.0 anyone?
Michael Garcia (SDNY) announced today he is stepping down.
Never mind that his skin is the same as the waiters’ and greens keepers’.
That was ugly.
I’m sure a deal was made Holder made a deal with the GOP not to use the independent council law against the Clintons and now Bush wants someone he can trust as AG not to prosecute him.
Great more cronies getting hired over merit!
Yeah, he’s supposed to be goiing to Kirkland and Ellis.
Is Holder’s nomination code to the Villagers that however much he might resuscitate the DOJ from its Gonzales-Mukasey-induced, near-death experience, he’ll keep parking cars and not take what Club members have stashed in their trunks and back seats?
[Mod Note: Let’s avoid the racial stereotypes please.]
There will be no investigations, no trials of any sort in the Obama administration, I fear. Please tell me I’m wrong, but I got antsy with the Dems after Nancy cleaned her table. The honeymoon with BO is over before it’s begun. :(
Either Obama is aware of this, and chooses to ignore it, or he is, somehow, not aware.
Neither possibility suggests any reason for sanguinity on our part.
Thanks, LHP, for sharing this ‘news’, your views and a forum for those whose thoughts and concerns flesh out the prospective AG AND Obama’s apparent ‘philosophy’ regarding both Justice and ‘justice’ …
No justice, no peace.
No war but class war. Yesterday, goddamnit.
Now, where’s my thermal lance?
73 – why did he bother? It’s not like anyone is going to investigate the House of Death issues steming from his time as Assist. Sec at ICE.
New Hamsher upstairs on Howard Dean and Short Ride Lieberman
Digby disagrees:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..as-ag.html
74, This succession of soft appointments, and those it forecasts; the active protection of Club members, like Joe Lieberman, an intimate supporter of all that progressives oppose; and bipartisan hiring of GOP’ers across a federal bureaucracy that is still laden with GOP and specifically Cheney moles, is much uglier.
Mr. Obama is not signaling a centrist organization, wherever “the center” is after eight years of Bush. He is signaling that the Right can rest easy, none of their excesses will be prosecuted, and few of them will be undone.
http://www.reuters.com/article…..SN16478137
I wonder if any of the 3,000 guns Holder’s exclient Chiquita Banana smuggled in were used in the killings can we get serial numbers off the guns from Columbia?
Holder saying publicly we should stop torturing and close Gitmo is hardly going out on a limb. Before Bush, no one would have imagined that the United States would do the former, or need to do the latter.
As for Holder’s reported comment that we should stop “domestic search and seizures without warrant and end wiretapping of citizens”, that would also have been greeted with a yawn before Bush II. It’s also inconsistent with the telecom immunity and the Fourth Amendment-gutting FISA amendments that Obama helped pass.
I’m getting a migraine.
“we can only hope that once he ….”
I’ve been hearing way too much of that.
I think we’re getting into serious Lieberman Derangement Syndrome here.
Both the Washington Note and Digby are very HAPPY — you hear me? HAPPY! — with the choice of Eric Holder. He’s hardly a Hillary/DLC corporatist … after all, he did work for Obama from Day One of the campaign, didn’t he? And from all accounts he had at best a negligible role in the Mark Rich pardon.
I think we need to chill a little on this one. Focus the fire elsewhere.
I resefve the right to disagree with both Washington Note and Digby.
your milage may vary
From the post:
Umm . . . not enough?
Tom ake the point of my post clear. Holder is not a personal friend of Satan by any means.I am not trying to completley trash the guy.
He is however, not the best or brightest, he comes with a lot of baggage and the importance here is the MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT SOMEONE INSPIRATIONAL who could revitalize DOJ in the hearts of both the people working their and in the minds of citizens.
We need him here. Boy, do we need him here.
Amen. Keep an eye on that, too.
OT: Alaska looking better; Stevens losing ground, Per NPR.
Agreed.
The AG’s office has seen more baggage in the last eight years than many airports. In that regard, I was hoping for a new AG whose background was less luggage-filled.
90 -Clemons raved on and on about John Bellinger too – including a huffpo post that went up the day before, or the day of, Bellinger refusing to say (in a UK debate) whether waterboarding US citizens would be torture if done by another nation. Digby bases her happiness pretty much solely on the fact that the newsmax crew are not happy.
Whatever – Don’t Worry, Be Happy.
Slightly OT – Isikoff says that Elena Kagan and David Ogden have the inside track for DAG.
And you would turn over AZ to Jan baby???????????? I think we need to keep Janet here until she turns McCain out in 2010.
Calm down folks, lots of kool aid drinking going on today. How many of you know anything about what goes on at DOJ or DC?? Do you want another Carter entourage? I prefer someone who knows what is going on and how to get things done.
Sounds like fun, but no guns please. Geez, we haven’t had a good revolution around here for a long long time.
Fitz was my choice too, going back to the Plame investigation.
Not Clinton, more like the return of Lincoln.
Hi selise. Winning the election doesn’t count anymore?
We need one, seriously.
I worked in the Justice Department for 12 years, but not at the white tower levels of that of Mr. Holder. My concern about his appointment is that we don’t need a business-as-usual Attorney General. Holder is competent, and probably brilliant, in his own way. That I do not doubt. However, we need an overhaul of the criminal justice system, which I’m afraid will not come about in this administration. President-elect Obama is the Uniter, the Great Communicator, who patterns his administration after Ronald Reagan (he said as much in his early pre-primary campaign interviews). He wants everybody to be friends (Can’t we all get along?). Unfortunately, the changes in the administration of justice over the last 2 decades has seen a law enforcement mentality take hold of our whole nation. I’m afraid it won’t recede under Mr. Holder. I suggested in a frantic email to the campaign to consider Barry Schect or Willie Brown, people who, though controversial, work on behalf of justice for the powerless (yes, and even criminal). But it needs be done. We have got to turn this country from a prison-building fortress and get back to the root causes of crime. If Mr. Holder promises something along those lines, then I’m all for it.
The Mark Rich pardon — that’s a tempest in a teapot as far as I’m concerned. That’s the power of the Presidency, when the man can play God and presto-chango, you’re free! The bigger problem is the proliferation of youth and men and women of color in our criminal justice system. A whole generation of Americans will be released into the real world and not have tools to function, especially as our government is bankrupt, financially. We need to change our emphasis on retribution to rehabilitation. I’m not sure Mr. Holder is up with that. It was during his Administration (one in which I worked, I will admit) that Congress turned a blind eye to the cocaine v. crack debate. I am an accomplice, you might say, but in my own justification, I decided to work on int’l white collar crime cases, instead.
I would like to see someone else in charge of the Justice Department. I think Holder would make a great Supreme Court appointment. But we need a new kid on the block in the halls of Justice. I’ve been gone from it for over 10 years, and am ashamed of what it has become. I’m glad I never bought a T-shirt from it, honestly, as I would not be proud to wear it now.
Excellent remarks.
The problem we need to be addressing is the entire criminal justice system most specifically the privatization of prisons. Wackenhut, CCA, and others have benefited from the Reagan revolution to the detriment of millions of minority youth who will never be the same.
Our prisons are only facilities which are expected to turn a profit, not places where young minds can be rehabilitated and made to feel that they do have a second chance. I’m a retired NYPD captain and I know that what we’re doing to successive generations of black and hispanic youth is not helping us to become a more diverse country. Electing a black man is wonderful, but the baggage this guy is dragging behind him is unacceptable.
I thought the catch phrase the night of the election victory was “no retreads.” I’m no genius but I think there have been nothing but retreads either named or touted since that night. Not one original appointment or mention, not fucking one.
This is same old, same old and the right wing is lining up unpacking the scripts they used during Clinton’s presidency, all ready to delegitimize Obama’s historic accomplishment.
Here’s a question, why not Caroline Kennedy for AG?