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	<title>Comments on: Powerline Proves Universal Health Care Makes GM and Chrysler Profitable</title>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/powerline-proves-universal-health-care-makes-gm-and-chrysler-profitable/#comment-1729608</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Horribly EPU’d again:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OBITUARY:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CAPITALISM, died 9/11&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The late great neocon idol died 9 November this year, the passing went unnoticed, the body was discovered by passerby’s in a advanced state of de-composure, apparently from metastasized cancer effecting vital systems. The body was wasted with small pustules of fatty substance. Apparently there had been no blood supply to the vital organs and muscles for an extended period. Cause of death was final failure of the circulatory system. Autopsy will be performed interminably to study the death process for the corpse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Next of kin are Sister Socialism…. and was preceded in death by brother, Communism&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;/s&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horribly EPU’d again:</p>
<blockquote><p>OBITUARY:</p>
<p>CAPITALISM, died 9/11</p>
<p>The late great neocon idol died 9 November this year, the passing went unnoticed, the body was discovered by passerby’s in a advanced state of de-composure, apparently from metastasized cancer effecting vital systems. The body was wasted with small pustules of fatty substance. Apparently there had been no blood supply to the vital organs and muscles for an extended period. Cause of death was final failure of the circulatory system. Autopsy will be performed interminably to study the death process for the corpse.</p>
<p>Next of kin are Sister Socialism…. and was preceded in death by brother, Communism</p>
<p>/s</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/powerline-proves-universal-health-care-makes-gm-and-chrysler-profitable/#comment-1729152</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Toyota CEO earns $903,000 compared to GM CEO’s $15.4 million. Somebody is grossly overpaid her and it ain’t at Toyota.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These CEOs have their compensation level set by the board of directors who are also CEOs and friends all around. So, it’s a bit like senate earmark trading. Everybody gets what they want and somebody else pays for it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I heard someone at a Congressional hearing say the other day that having stock options which can only be redeemed at retirement (or some set time) is crazy since it provokes manipulations and that profit sharing (presumably constantly throughout a career) made a lot more sense. Of course ‘making sense’ isn’t what the high CEO incomes are about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe government needs to change things.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Toyota CEO earns $903,000 compared to GM CEO’s $15.4 million. Somebody is grossly overpaid her and it ain’t at Toyota.</p>
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<p>These CEOs have their compensation level set by the board of directors who are also CEOs and friends all around. So, it’s a bit like senate earmark trading. Everybody gets what they want and somebody else pays for it.</p>
<p>I heard someone at a Congressional hearing say the other day that having stock options which can only be redeemed at retirement (or some set time) is crazy since it provokes manipulations and that profit sharing (presumably constantly throughout a career) made a lot more sense. Of course ‘making sense’ isn’t what the high CEO incomes are about.</p>
<p>Maybe government needs to change things.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/powerline-proves-universal-health-care-makes-gm-and-chrysler-profitable/#comment-1729138</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the calculus is vastly complicated by the collective security arrangements created after WWII, in which we are obligated to defend our allies, even to the point of nuclear war. The fact is, the alliance system can demand that we do go to war, even when we have not been attacked directly ourselves.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, now that Iceland is a terrorist nation (since U.K. labeled them) how long ’til we start propagandizing about the godless people of Iceland and all that? Will we all have to turn against geothermal energy to show our feelings about their use of that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the calculus is vastly complicated by the collective security arrangements created after WWII, in which we are obligated to defend our allies, even to the point of nuclear war. The fact is, the alliance system can demand that we do go to war, even when we have not been attacked directly ourselves.</p>
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<p>BTW, now that Iceland is a terrorist nation (since U.K. labeled them) how long ’til we start propagandizing about the godless people of Iceland and all that? Will we all have to turn against geothermal energy to show our feelings about their use of that?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/powerline-proves-universal-health-care-makes-gm-and-chrysler-profitable/#comment-1729131</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;i just think that unless we’re invaded or something we shouldn’t be at war. imo the problem is that we’ve been at war (declared or not) for so long that we have started to think that’s normal. it’s not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s strange for a country which espouses the peaceful way of Democracy to use wars, as we do, so frequently to control other peoples who we say should be free and control their own destiny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The regularity of our warring has been explained away for a very long time as the threat from Germany (WWI &amp; WWII) and by Communism. It’s becoming painfully obvious (especially after the death of Saddam Hussein and the Capitalization of China) that there aren’t any real enemies except some religious fanatics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i just think that unless we’re invaded or something we shouldn’t be at war. imo the problem is that we’ve been at war (declared or not) for so long that we have started to think that’s normal. it’s not.</p>
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<p>It’s strange for a country which espouses the peaceful way of Democracy to use wars, as we do, so frequently to control other peoples who we say should be free and control their own destiny.</p>
<p>The regularity of our warring has been explained away for a very long time as the threat from Germany (WWI &amp; WWII) and by Communism. It’s becoming painfully obvious (especially after the death of Saddam Hussein and the Capitalization of China) that there aren’t any real enemies except some religious fanatics.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Right now we account for slightly over half of all defense spending in the world - more than everyone else combined.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And much of that other spending is by our devout friends or by countries who do not count us as enemies, friends or relevant at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Right now we account for slightly over half of all defense spending in the world &#8211; more than everyone else combined.</p>
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<p>And much of that other spending is by our devout friends or by countries who do not count us as enemies, friends or relevant at all.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/powerline-proves-universal-health-care-makes-gm-and-chrysler-profitable/#comment-1729120</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And by the way, does anyone know if the unions have had anything at all to say over the past few years (like since 1973) about WHY their companies weren’t building more fuel eff cars?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THAT would be interesting to hear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And by the way, does anyone know if the unions have had anything at all to say over the past few years (like since 1973) about WHY their companies weren’t building more fuel eff cars?</p>
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<p>THAT would be interesting to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/powerline-proves-universal-health-care-makes-gm-and-chrysler-profitable/#comment-1729096</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh yea, I’ve been doing this for 30+ years. Once took a boat out of Ensenada that had nothing but bean burritos and corona’s for 12 hours. Last summer I got a huge hook through my pinky on a party boat out of Charleston and had no choice but to just rip it out cuz the guwho hooked me was on the other side of the boat and was about to pull my sorry butt over the side! I’m checking the websites and will try to have an idea of what I am doing before we get there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yea, I’ve been doing this for 30+ years. Once took a boat out of Ensenada that had nothing but bean burritos and corona’s for 12 hours. Last summer I got a huge hook through my pinky on a party boat out of Charleston and had no choice but to just rip it out cuz the guwho hooked me was on the other side of the boat and was about to pull my sorry butt over the side! I’m checking the websites and will try to have an idea of what I am doing before we get there.</p>
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		<title>By: MsAnnaNOLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MsAnnaNOLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, enjoy yourself. Fishing is a pastime that is highly prized in these parts. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you can check out wwltv.com or the actual tv version and look for Frank Davis’ Fish’n Game report. He will give you and idea of what is up with the fishes. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I get sea sick so sitting on a boat that is not moving looking for fish is sort of like being water boarded! I can fish from land, or go for a pleasure cruise but fishing on the boat is hazardous to my tummy and head. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, ask them what the food is if it is included. My mom went on a fishing venture where the only food for 24 hours was rather rudimentary Bar B Q sandwiches from a local fast food joint. She lost it on that trip.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, enjoy yourself. Fishing is a pastime that is highly prized in these parts. </p>
<p>If you can check out wwltv.com or the actual tv version and look for Frank Davis’ Fish’n Game report. He will give you and idea of what is up with the fishes. </p>
<p>Personally, I get sea sick so sitting on a boat that is not moving looking for fish is sort of like being water boarded! I can fish from land, or go for a pleasure cruise but fishing on the boat is hazardous to my tummy and head. </p>
<p>Oh, ask them what the food is if it is included. My mom went on a fishing venture where the only food for 24 hours was rather rudimentary Bar B Q sandwiches from a local fast food joint. She lost it on that trip.</p>
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		<title>By: greenharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe that the U.S. average life expectancy is down to 41st in the world, right ahead of Slovenia’s.  I understand that Slovenia is a beautiful country.  But, right after World War II, weren’t we first?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the U.S. average life expectancy is down to 41st in the world, right ahead of Slovenia’s.  I understand that Slovenia is a beautiful country.  But, right after World War II, weren’t we first?</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, the Dragon is right. I love to be on the water and I am sure the charter folks need the work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, the Dragon is right. I love to be on the water and I am sure the charter folks need the work.</p>
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