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	<title>Comments on: George Bush Using GM To Screw The Environment One Last Time</title>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728743</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You and I can argue all day about which comes first, the chicken or the egg — the crippled automakers, or the people who made them what they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the most important bit you said is right here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But we aren’t Japan or China, we have no MITI or ministry of economic trade and development, arguing government’s priorities in these loan negotiations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There comes a time when change cannot be driven from the bottom up alone, it must be driven from the top down as well.  And I’m pretty sure that all of us who are regulars at FDL can agree we have had no leadership to drive change from the top down for a very fricking long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further, there is no leadership arguing the priority not of government, or of the companies, or of the people as separate entities, but of a NATION as a system and not a collection of parts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and I can argue all day about which comes first, the chicken or the egg — the crippled automakers, or the people who made them what they are.</p>
<p>But the most important bit you said is right here:</p>
<blockquote><p>But we aren’t Japan or China, we have no MITI or ministry of economic trade and development, arguing government’s priorities in these loan negotiations.</p>
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<p>There comes a time when change cannot be driven from the bottom up alone, it must be driven from the top down as well.  And I’m pretty sure that all of us who are regulars at FDL can agree we have had no leadership to drive change from the top down for a very fricking long time.</p>
<p>Further, there is no leadership arguing the priority not of government, or of the companies, or of the people as separate entities, but of a NATION as a system and not a collection of parts.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728734</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The funny thing about these watches is they are self winding, not battery operated. You can buy a gismo that winds them or wearing them does it, but they are subject to winding down and giving the wrong time. A ten buck Timex keeps more reliable time. It is another illustration of things the wealthy do to impress peons, like mansions so large they lose all human scale and are uncomfortable no matter how many servants. If you want a sandwich you ring the bell or whatever and until the servant gets your order and gets the sandwich, it’s ten minutes or more between desire and fulfillment. Much easier to go to the refrigerator and do it yourself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing about these watches is they are self winding, not battery operated. You can buy a gismo that winds them or wearing them does it, but they are subject to winding down and giving the wrong time. A ten buck Timex keeps more reliable time. It is another illustration of things the wealthy do to impress peons, like mansions so large they lose all human scale and are uncomfortable no matter how many servants. If you want a sandwich you ring the bell or whatever and until the servant gets your order and gets the sandwich, it’s ten minutes or more between desire and fulfillment. Much easier to go to the refrigerator and do it yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728732</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Detroit is famous for selling what it has, not what American consumers want, what Detroit calls marketing.  Trucks and their SUV variants are cheaper to manufacture than cars, and more profitable.  Plenty of Americans bought better-designed, more fuel efficient cars from Japanese and Korean makers.  That’s one reason Detroit is in trouble.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aid for Big Auto is not inherently bad.  Neither is paying for “free” highways and bridges, or for a health care system that spends money on care givers, instead of insurers whose profit depends on care not being given.  That aid should not finance business as usual or AIG- or Carly Fiorina-style handouts to top managers.  Many of them should be scrapped like a bad paint job.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we aren’t Japan or China, we have no MITI or ministry of economic trade and development, arguing government’s priorities in these loan negotiations.  US Government decision-making is dispersed.  We have a president who thinks the only good regulator is a dead regulator, who thinks it unchristian to make demands on his fellow bidnessmen.  We have a few department heads, like Hank Paulson, who work for him and who are only months away from their Wall Street jobs, and are destined to return to something equally lucrative.  And we have a few CongressCritters, waiting to see what the lobbyist farm hands will slop into the trough.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit is famous for selling what it has, not what American consumers want, what Detroit calls marketing.  Trucks and their SUV variants are cheaper to manufacture than cars, and more profitable.  Plenty of Americans bought better-designed, more fuel efficient cars from Japanese and Korean makers.  That’s one reason Detroit is in trouble.  </p>
<p>Aid for Big Auto is not inherently bad.  Neither is paying for “free” highways and bridges, or for a health care system that spends money on care givers, instead of insurers whose profit depends on care not being given.  That aid should not finance business as usual or AIG- or Carly Fiorina-style handouts to top managers.  Many of them should be scrapped like a bad paint job.</p>
<p>But we aren’t Japan or China, we have no MITI or ministry of economic trade and development, arguing government’s priorities in these loan negotiations.  US Government decision-making is dispersed.  We have a president who thinks the only good regulator is a dead regulator, who thinks it unchristian to make demands on his fellow bidnessmen.  We have a few department heads, like Hank Paulson, who work for him and who are only months away from their Wall Street jobs, and are destined to return to something equally lucrative.  And we have a few CongressCritters, waiting to see what the lobbyist farm hands will slop into the trough.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728724</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thats the White House story I’m guessing nobody in the world wants a picture next to a person the voters in their country consider a warcriminal. Bush not wanting to many photos is an excuse the G20 meet was suppose to be a photo op.&lt;br /&gt;
    I bet many went just because they thought they could see Obama and talk with him.&lt;br /&gt;
    Bush got pissed and Obama decided not to go is the likely story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats the White House story I’m guessing nobody in the world wants a picture next to a person the voters in their country consider a warcriminal. Bush not wanting to many photos is an excuse the G20 meet was suppose to be a photo op.<br />
    I bet many went just because they thought they could see Obama and talk with him.<br />
    Bush got pissed and Obama decided not to go is the likely story.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728720</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bubba Bush was never about governing.  For him, that would be a contradiction in terms.  He’s a political embezzler, a pedigreed watch dog with fleas.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s always raiding the hen house himself, or leaving the door open for his fox friends.  When he complains that the farmer keeps him on so short leash that he can’t git his work done, the exhausted farmer lets him off his leash it.  And, whoosh, all the neighborhood hen houses are soon empty.  The foxes git so fat, they should live in the hog pen; and George wanders off, looking for another sucker farmer to put him charge of the farmyard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, Bush and his cohort are not about governing.  They view government as 19th century Robber Barons viewed the environment: as an inexhaustible source of untaxed wealth.  Citizens and taxpayers (more fools, they) are like American Indians, left to wander the plains strewn with buffalo carcasses, the mountaintops that have been plunged into stream beds for an ounce of coal, and the forests, where the largest tree is just large enough to make a foot stool.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubba Bush was never about governing.  For him, that would be a contradiction in terms.  He’s a political embezzler, a pedigreed watch dog with fleas.  </p>
<p>He’s always raiding the hen house himself, or leaving the door open for his fox friends.  When he complains that the farmer keeps him on so short leash that he can’t git his work done, the exhausted farmer lets him off his leash it.  And, whoosh, all the neighborhood hen houses are soon empty.  The foxes git so fat, they should live in the hog pen; and George wanders off, looking for another sucker farmer to put him charge of the farmyard.</p>
<p>No, Bush and his cohort are not about governing.  They view government as 19th century Robber Barons viewed the environment: as an inexhaustible source of untaxed wealth.  Citizens and taxpayers (more fools, they) are like American Indians, left to wander the plains strewn with buffalo carcasses, the mountaintops that have been plunged into stream beds for an ounce of coal, and the forests, where the largest tree is just large enough to make a foot stool.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728718</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did read somewhere that O went out of his way not to have many photo ops on his WH visit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read somewhere that O went out of his way not to have many photo ops on his WH visit.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728716</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s quite a list. Never heard of most of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Miscik, though, sticks out as a particulary bad dude. Not only her luving her some Iraq WMDs when she was at CIA, but also she was Global Head of Sovereign Risk at Lehman. Anyone who had a high level job there should automatically be disqualified from a responsible job anywhere else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s quite a list. Never heard of most of them.</p>
<p>Miscik, though, sticks out as a particulary bad dude. Not only her luving her some Iraq WMDs when she was at CIA, but also she was Global Head of Sovereign Risk at Lehman. Anyone who had a high level job there should automatically be disqualified from a responsible job anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728714</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL not being photographed with Bush is a boon to any political career. I expect Obama to try and limit any photos of him and Bush together.&lt;br /&gt;
    I expect Bush though to push for it cause he always wanted to hang with the cool kids.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL not being photographed with Bush is a boon to any political career. I expect Obama to try and limit any photos of him and Bush together.<br />
    I expect Bush though to push for it cause he always wanted to hang with the cool kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728708</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And Americans could stop being spoiled, whiny babies about not having Hummers and 9-passenger SUVs and convertible Cadillac-brand trucks, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somebody told the automakers they wanted those vehicles — and they built them.  Chicken or the egg first here, alank?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Americans could stop being spoiled, whiny babies about not having Hummers and 9-passenger SUVs and convertible Cadillac-brand trucks, too.</p>
<p>Somebody told the automakers they wanted those vehicles — and they built them.  Chicken or the egg first here, alank?</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/17/george-bush-using-gm-to-screw-the-environment-one-last-time/#comment-1728706</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are you talking about Federal Reserve loans to banks for questionable collateral? That would be Helicopter Ben not Paulson although Paulson probably knew about it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you talking about Federal Reserve loans to banks for questionable collateral? That would be Helicopter Ben not Paulson although Paulson probably knew about it.</p>
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