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	<title>Comments on: Provoking War? Israel Blocks Humanitarian Aid to Gaza and Threatens Attacks</title>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been completely flummoxed by the disconnect between  the “right to lifers”, and ,their apparent bloodlust and  unquenchable thirst for war-on other’s turfs. Is this a case of “Don’t kill ‘em in the womb,save ‘em for the battlefield”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been completely flummoxed by the disconnect between  the “right to lifers”, and ,their apparent bloodlust and  unquenchable thirst for war-on other’s turfs. Is this a case of “Don’t kill ‘em in the womb,save ‘em for the battlefield”?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The best thing we can do for peace in the Middle East is give the Israelis a new home - where they have no neighbors to share the area with.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’d prefer to listen to the palestinian and israeli peace activists about what they want us to do to help them. i’m tired to imposing our “solutions” on others.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The best thing we can do for peace in the Middle East is give the Israelis a new home &#8211; where they have no neighbors to share the area with.</p>
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<p>i’d prefer to listen to the palestinian and israeli peace activists about what they want us to do to help them. i’m tired to imposing our “solutions” on others.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do suspect you is astutely correct … in all particulars, T-Bear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suggesting that minimal ‘understanding’, should it ‘arrive’ at all, will embody that human lament …”too late … too late …”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too ‘little’ as well, but that’s kindda rubbin’ it in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, ’tis possible, perhaps even probable, that very many do understand … but, generally, the ‘elite’ do not, for a rational future holds no respect for their swagger nor praise for their bombast …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And all of our myths preclude any apprehension for those for whom belief promises mansions in the sky or postulates a God who is more factotum than repository of wisdom or compassion …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For a species for whom money is the most important thing, a general bankruptcy of the soul is merely an entry fee … and ignorance is bliss.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do suspect you is astutely correct … in all particulars, T-Bear.</p>
<p>Suggesting that minimal ‘understanding’, should it ‘arrive’ at all, will embody that human lament …”too late … too late …”</p>
<p>Too ‘little’ as well, but that’s kindda rubbin’ it in.</p>
<p>Actually, ’tis possible, perhaps even probable, that very many do understand … but, generally, the ‘elite’ do not, for a rational future holds no respect for their swagger nor praise for their bombast …</p>
<p>And all of our myths preclude any apprehension for those for whom belief promises mansions in the sky or postulates a God who is more factotum than repository of wisdom or compassion …</p>
<p>For a species for whom money is the most important thing, a general bankruptcy of the soul is merely an entry fee … and ignorance is bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I said “..as freely…as Israel”.  You’re right about Iraq and Afghanistan - but in this country both our Congress and our citizens can have an impact on what &lt;em&gt;we &lt;/em&gt;do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Israel has no one checking it’s use of power.  Absolutely no one, and could care less of what their neighbors or the world thinks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And why is that??  Primarily because Rahm Emanuel, along with Steny Hoyer and Chuck Schumer did as their A*I*P*A*C/pro hard-line/pro-business donors ordered them to do by forceing and supporting more like minded Congressional candidates down our throats, and then electing themselves to all the leadership positions.   Those leaders teamed up with the Right -who uses the state of Israel -with no regard or respect for their religion- to further their own aims of dominance.&lt;br /&gt;
But sadly, to further their own personal gains, they’are willing to play the canary in the mideast oil mine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The best thing we can do for peace in the Middle East is give the Israelis a new home - where they have no neighbors to share the area with.&lt;br /&gt;
And then we could stop all support and let them make their own way in life -for a change.  Just like you and I and our children must do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said “..as freely…as Israel”.  You’re right about Iraq and Afghanistan &#8211; but in this country both our Congress and our citizens can have an impact on what <em>we </em>do.</p>
<p>Israel has no one checking it’s use of power.  Absolutely no one, and could care less of what their neighbors or the world thinks. </p>
<p>And why is that??  Primarily because Rahm Emanuel, along with Steny Hoyer and Chuck Schumer did as their A*I*P*A*C/pro hard-line/pro-business donors ordered them to do by forceing and supporting more like minded Congressional candidates down our throats, and then electing themselves to all the leadership positions.   Those leaders teamed up with the Right -who uses the state of Israel -with no regard or respect for their religion- to further their own aims of dominance.<br />
But sadly, to further their own personal gains, they’are willing to play the canary in the mideast oil mine.</p>
<p>The best thing we can do for peace in the Middle East is give the Israelis a new home &#8211; where they have no neighbors to share the area with.<br />
And then we could stop all support and let them make their own way in life -for a change.  Just like you and I and our children must do.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and yhm in reply. thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes.</p>
<p>and yhm in reply. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not too far from where I am are some caves containing prehistoric drawings comparable to the famous French caves. I tend to give greater credit for ability to the ancestors, they would be equally as capable as ourselves, possibly more, because they had to be good at what they were about, if not, no survival.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look too at the statistics for illiteracy, currently about 20% in the US, IIRC. The effective illiteracy (my estimation) may run to 60% and up to 80% if critical and analytical skills from reading are considered, the mathematical literacy rate might be a measure of the metric. This may be the substance behind the public reliance on belief, superstition(religion), and myths; none of which are true survival traits but do have social survival value. The emotional apparatus you mention is probably in greater play today than at anytime in the past, there is less survival disadvantage now. As for making a bollox of things, todays person stands supreme and unsurpassed. In only 6℃ (about 40 years) increase, the nest is gone, such is the fouling of that is taking place. Wiser folk than I have prognosticated some dire fate. Still, the ability of the ancestor was equal our own, but not so imbalanced with their world as ours is. When we survive our doings, then is when congratulations are due. There is no guarantee the country will survive this catastrophe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too far from where I am are some caves containing prehistoric drawings comparable to the famous French caves. I tend to give greater credit for ability to the ancestors, they would be equally as capable as ourselves, possibly more, because they had to be good at what they were about, if not, no survival.</p>
<p>Look too at the statistics for illiteracy, currently about 20% in the US, IIRC. The effective illiteracy (my estimation) may run to 60% and up to 80% if critical and analytical skills from reading are considered, the mathematical literacy rate might be a measure of the metric. This may be the substance behind the public reliance on belief, superstition(religion), and myths; none of which are true survival traits but do have social survival value. The emotional apparatus you mention is probably in greater play today than at anytime in the past, there is less survival disadvantage now. As for making a bollox of things, todays person stands supreme and unsurpassed. In only 6℃ (about 40 years) increase, the nest is gone, such is the fouling of that is taking place. Wiser folk than I have prognosticated some dire fate. Still, the ability of the ancestor was equal our own, but not so imbalanced with their world as ours is. When we survive our doings, then is when congratulations are due. There is no guarantee the country will survive this catastrophe.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with everything you are saying.  I would have said it yesterday except I was reading the post waaay after EPU.  I’m afraid this comment falls into EPU as well.  It was a very sorry display.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you are saying.  I would have said it yesterday except I was reading the post waaay after EPU.  I’m afraid this comment falls into EPU as well.  It was a very sorry display.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;President elect Obama: litmus test coming up?  Will AIPAC countenance it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not so much even concerned about Rahm’s influence.  Can Obama find a sufficient voice?  Shall we find him hiding under a rock, even a rhetorical rock?  Will the lingering stealth Muslim accusations govern his response/cowering?  Will he just ignore it as long as the MSM don’t push?  One president at a time, blah, blah, blah . . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could Bush be bothered to come out strong, or even comment?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Inquiring minds . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President elect Obama: litmus test coming up?  Will AIPAC countenance it?</p>
<p>Not so much even concerned about Rahm’s influence.  Can Obama find a sufficient voice?  Shall we find him hiding under a rock, even a rhetorical rock?  Will the lingering stealth Muslim accusations govern his response/cowering?  Will he just ignore it as long as the MSM don’t push?  One president at a time, blah, blah, blah . . .</p>
<p>Could Bush be bothered to come out strong, or even comment?</p>
<p>Inquiring minds . . .</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, so that’s what that little booklet was?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I couldn’t find a ‘repair’ manual anywhere, either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fortunately, we are so very  much more evolved than our remote early human ancestors.  Imagine what it would be like were we all trying to deal with this modern world with the equivalent of cave-man brains?  Or even early primate emotional apparatus?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Things would be a mess and our tenure would hardly be, as we now know that it is, assured.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We, clearly, owe ourselves a pat on the back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~D&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so that’s what that little booklet was?</p>
<p>And I couldn’t find a ‘repair’ manual anywhere, either.</p>
<p>Fortunately, we are so very  much more evolved than our remote early human ancestors.  Imagine what it would be like were we all trying to deal with this modern world with the equivalent of cave-man brains?  Or even early primate emotional apparatus?</p>
<p>Things would be a mess and our tenure would hardly be, as we now know that it is, assured.</p>
<p>We, clearly, owe ourselves a pat on the back.</p>
<p>;~D</p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Huge difference between anger and assertive, mostly missed by all but the most experienced, the difference between jejune and mature adult. Folks is big animals, it gets hurtful if things get out of hand physically, the directions for posturing got lost with the operational manuel for being human. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huge difference between anger and assertive, mostly missed by all but the most experienced, the difference between jejune and mature adult. Folks is big animals, it gets hurtful if things get out of hand physically, the directions for posturing got lost with the operational manuel for being human. ;-)</p>
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