Comments on: h8er Won’t Get My “MILK” Money

By: cinnamonape

cinnamonape — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:47:29 +0000

Well Larue…your argument could be made about all boycotts…

the Birmingham Bus Boycott by Martin Luther King, the boycott against South Africa, the Grape Boycott by the United Farm Workers by Cesar Chavez, the salt and cotton boycott by Gandhi, the Tea Boycott by the Sons of Liberty, the “Blood Diamond” boycott, the boycott for Dolphin-safe Tuna, etc. Strikes are a form of boycott…denying ones labor until changes in conditions are made. Essentially a boycott is a consumer strike.

In fact one could argue that bans on using the services or goods by governments concerned about labor or other conditions in other countries are a form of boycott. Usually they are initiated against that country by citizens and the government only picks up on it later. Usually it is the source of opposition for “Free Trade Treaties” until enforceable provisions securing those rights are included.

Of course, ALL of these had impacts on players who were not involved in the “wrong”. A strike impacts consumers, and ones own family. It hurts the management. And it may impact other workers who are dependent on the products produced for making something else. South Africa always used the “workers” who suffered to try and break the boycotts against it. Ghandi’s cotton boycott potentially could have caused workers to lose jobs in Manchester, or hurt the retailers of manufactured clothing in India.

By: cinnamonape

cinnamonape — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:30:59 +0000

Usually people take their business elsewhere, so it’s perhaps helping a business that supported “No on 8″ or at least didn’t contribute and THEIR employees. The employees and management at these firms will at least pressure the firm to make an apology. Of course, I suppose the CEO could be a jerk and really weigh the values of supporting their workers lower than their sexual morality. But is THAT the sort of business you’d support?

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:24:57 +0000

Hi eg, thank you for a lovely evening! What fun!

By: marshen

marshen — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:07:21 +0000

We did’nt have the internet so much back then either! There was a hell of a lot more footwook to get something like what is going on now done. We had to table on the streets and distribute printed flyers, then try to get people to show up for mass meetings. Those were the good old days, I learned a great deal.

By: ChristineEdmonson

ChristineEdmonson — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:58:09 +0000

EG,
Look at this:

http://www.case.edu/affil/skuy.....index.html

By: Softail

Softail — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:56:05 +0000

I was around then and I must say that the Prop H8 protests are wider, broader and more sustained. While gay people were very angry about the AB1 veto it was mostly just us, i.s., not a lot of visible straight support and it wasn’t a sustained action the way the current protests have been. Course we didn’t have the toobz back then either. Not saying there was no straight support back then, after all Willie Brown carried the damn thing year after year but it’s much more visible and on the streets with Prop H8. Nothing like the gay-straight alliances etc. back then.

By: egregious

egregious — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:50:54 +0000

When my mother was in college in Massachusetts, the doctor who came to talk with them about birth control said he was breaking the law by having that conversation with them. There are religious groups who would take us back to that era in a heartbeat, if they could.

By: newtonusr

newtonusr — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:45:58 +0000

You’re right, of course. And every time they land one of these, they are that much closer to landing the next one. I don’t like them expanding and exercising their troops, in preparation for the next one.

And the only thing we can hope for when they do score is that they get overconfident, and overreach. Cold comfort.

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:41:43 +0000

Me too. People also need to understand that the Mormon — and the Catholic! — leadership has lots of ideas they’d like to implement nationwide through the ballot box. Ideas that have nothing to do with gays — ideas that might affect everyone else a whole lot.

That’s why I keep asking: are your rights next? Is your state next?

By: marshen

marshen — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:38:48 +0000

I am happy that this movement has national support from the community. It gives me hope that it will keep going as a national movement realizing this anti-marriage proposition could and will be put on the ballot initiatives in any state. it gives me hope in that respect.