The revolution starts now! Go Teddy!

Two in South Bend IN. They won’t get my money!

I’m almost disappointed that we don’t have any here. Of course I never go to the movies anyway.

Joined on fb. Thank you Teddy.

Same here… on both counts.

One theater in Mesa…… very interesting….. Gilbert and Mesa have HIGH Mormon populations…….. Mesa would NOT do the city 4th of July fireworks when it landed on a Sunday……. Can you imagine fireworks on the 3rd?

teddy! no milk money for stock – actions have consequences

Teddy -
Can you keep us posted of big businesses like this that do business outside of California? I really would like to participate in the boycott. I do not want my money going to fund hate.

Digg this Post so we can make it Viral and get more people to boycott these theaters!

It’s too bad that Gus Van Zant is the unfortunate target of this action.
I completely understand the message and the motive but he is actually a decent guy and doesn’t really deserve the negative publicity.
Oh well, I don’t go to theaters much anyway so any contribution I would have made would have never happened anyway.
Good luck with your efforts overturning that odious piece of shit legislation Teddy.

no Cinemark here in GR, but Celebration Cinema and STAR theatre actually have the market cornered here anyway. *grin* There was a Cinemark up until about 6 months ago–when Celebration bought it out and turned it into a $3.50 a show/indie theatre for the area.

Probably no need to remind you of this but in the event we have an opportunity to boycott a Prop 8 supporter we should inform them that we are doing so and why.

Hot diggity DUGG!

Teddy, got a call from my daughter yesterday saying she marched in Hillcrest. I am so proud of her!

Almost every theater in my county is this company. In fact, I’m pretty sure all of them are. I used to know the person who owned Century (I guess it has been sold to Cinemark) and he was Arabic – would not have donated to this H8 prop.

Oh yeah! Stick to them and bring it home. Actions have consequences and I don’t pay for hate.

My bad, I do that all the time, Gus Van Sant, not Van Zant.

none here in nashville, but i’ll make sure i don’t see any films at these theatres regardless of where i travel. thanks teddy!

~itunkala

But you can still write an outraged letter or email! Tell him you were planning to see Quantum of Solace at the Westfields Shopping Center Cinema in San Francisco whilst visiting a friend, but decided not to!

Actions have consequences and I don’t pay for hate.

Are you tax-exempt or just a tax dodger? “g”

Just had dinner with Teddy, he’ll be home soon and in the comments. Teddy is Teh Awesome.

I have a good friend whose birthday is the Fifth, and growing up he always thought it was great to have fireworks the night before his birthday!

Ahem..mmm… OK, I don’t willingly pay for hate. I am also not real fond of jail.

There are other theatres to see MILK in besides Cinemark theatres. The action is directed at Cinemark, not at the film. I want lots of people to see it, just not at the h8er theatres.

Well, she has a great mother to teach her what’s right!

Indeed he is!

Facebook group now has 1,117 members!

And…

You can Digg the No-MILK-for-Cinemark group right here.

Wish I could have been there with my daughter, but my brother and I were dealing with mom. She was just filled with pride! She said that she now realizes how proud I was while marching against the Viet Nam war. A real generational connection!

Already stopped going to theatres in general, but good luck with organizing this boycott, Teddy.

And a followup to your yesterday thread on gay rights protests nationwide…Fargo was one of the locations, and Minneapolis as well.

We had a pretty good one here in Missoula as well.

Aha, yet another example of the beauty of life in North Dakota. We are a Cinemark-free zone.

Can’t speak for the entirety of Montana, but that is also true of Missoula.

Devil’s Advocate.

What about the people who make their livings in these theatre’s who may be gay or gay friendly? What about THEIR loss of jobs, income, etc.?

Or are they collateral damage . . . . .

So what do you suggest as an alternative? It is important to take significant action which makes a real impact on the people who are responsible for this abomination.

The theatre chain can solve that problem immediately by firing their bigoted CEO

Go to his theatre’s. Do not buy food or drink. Theatre owners make little or no money from films.

In an effort I support, here’s some action on the local Sacto Scene. Leatherby’s (snicker) has a store a few blocks from here, their product is to die for. Alas, I don’t need ice cream all that much, I guess:

http://www.kcra.com/news/17994183/detail.html

That was the phrase that kept going through my mind also, Collateral Damage.

An immediate and effective action will actually protect them.

My suggestion is massive NON TARGETED protests, rallies, and such in an on-going series coupled with organized and well planned and coordinated political efforts. Target efforts should be at government buildings and officials. That’s my suggestion.

I see that you have to use what is available and if putting a crimp in this guy’s profits is a way to get the message across then ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

I like your thought.

But not knowing the makeup of the company, I can’t heartily endorse the effort unless I KNOW the company will fire the CEO under this kind of pressure. And how long will this process take? And what WILL be the collateral damage to the workers?

I’m big on collateral damage issues, have been since My Lai. Just saying.

See my response to Dr. Dick for what I would heartily endorse.

That does not directly impact those behind this. You have to confront your enemies face to face. It cannot be the only strategy and there obviously need to be non-targeted protests like those this weekend, but those who drove this must be made to see that there is a cost for their actions.

Good for you guys!

Larue – by that standard, no protest action should ever be sanctioned. There will always be folks who get caught in the switches by something like this. Whether it’s an environmental action, a consumer action, whatever. The blessings here are: effectiveness will greatly limit the “collateral damage,” and even if it is not immediately effective, the damage is unlikely to be permanent.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Hundreds of thousands of fairminded Americans turned out on Saturday to protest Prop 8 and speak out for human rights. Next month, there’s a Lavender Flu Day planned — more on that later. This Cinemark boycott is one of many activities, and everyone is free to suggest — or better yet, organize! — their own.

We shouldn’t presume that any of these suggestions are mutually exclusive. All are good ideas, all need to be executed, all need people to get behind them to make them happen. I’m certainly not suggesting that boycotting a movie theatre chain is the ONLY solution.

And, I just realized I contradicted myself by endorsing the local effort towards Leatherby’s.

It’s complicated . . . for me. It’s not black and white, but I’m not gay, either . . . . if I was, I’m sure it would not be all that complex.

Still . . . . as a long time supporter of civil rights, I’d prefer my options as in my reply to Dr. Dick.

Take it to the churches, to the state . . . to the elected officials.

The more it’s taken to businesses who provide jobs and taxes the more the change you encourage the OTHER side to become more militant, too. And soon, all gay businesses will be targets, too. I’d hate like hell to see that . . . and we KNOW how the Churches are . . . they can be heartless. And will be.

Thanks for all the thoughts, I’ll leave this to the rest of you to deliberate . . . I’ve said my peace.

lisa has more on prop h8 upstairs

btw….. the smoke from the SoCal fires have hit Phoenix……. quite strong smell of smoke even into the far east valley …….

I can agree with your suggestion to take it directly to the churches rather than individual businesses. It is the churches, or rather their leadership, after all that are the primary players in this not the business owners who are following the lead of their religious leaders. Don’t think the bishop would be very happy about protests outside the cathedral every Sunday. Same with the Mormons (remember that it is not just Mormons, the Catholic church is in this just as deep).

Unfortunately, I have no cinemark theatres to not go to.

You can join Prairie Sunshine and I in our low impact boycott (don’t have to do or give up anything anything to do it).

Well, I know now not to go Cinemark, which I have in the recent past. What a mess.

I am off to bed. Take care all. Remember, we have not yet begun to fight!

I’m curious Teddy Partridge, were you “old” enough to have been around or participate in the AB 101 and Gov. Pete Wilson in 1991, and if so how do you think it parallels or relates to the Pop 8 actions going on now?

Let them know, Christine, and join the Facebook group too (if you are a Facebooker)

I was not a Californian then

AB 101 was another prime example of Gov. Pete Wilson’s tenure: Less (rights) is more.

I just did Teddy! And I will let them know how I feel.

And promises to end GLBT discrimination in the work place were not kept until the gay community rose up and marched and hounded him until he finally passed a similar new bill. I hope the gay community has the staying power this time as well and keep the pressure up on the elected folks like we did until we finally got what was right for us (at the time.)

I am happy that this movement has national support from the community. It gives me hope that it will keep going as a national movement realizing this anti-marriage proposition could and will be put on the ballot initiatives in any state. it gives me hope in that respect.

Me too. People also need to understand that the Mormon — and the Catholic! — leadership has lots of ideas they’d like to implement nationwide through the ballot box. Ideas that have nothing to do with gays — ideas that might affect everyone else a whole lot.

That’s why I keep asking: are your rights next? Is your state next?

You’re right, of course. And every time they land one of these, they are that much closer to landing the next one. I don’t like them expanding and exercising their troops, in preparation for the next one.

And the only thing we can hope for when they do score is that they get overconfident, and overreach. Cold comfort.

When my mother was in college in Massachusetts, the doctor who came to talk with them about birth control said he was breaking the law by having that conversation with them. There are religious groups who would take us back to that era in a heartbeat, if they could.

I was around then and I must say that the Prop H8 protests are wider, broader and more sustained. While gay people were very angry about the AB1 veto it was mostly just us, i.s., not a lot of visible straight support and it wasn’t a sustained action the way the current protests have been. Course we didn’t have the toobz back then either. Not saying there was no straight support back then, after all Willie Brown carried the damn thing year after year but it’s much more visible and on the streets with Prop H8. Nothing like the gay-straight alliances etc. back then.

EG,
Look at this:

http://www.case.edu/affil/skuy…..index.html

We did’nt have the internet so much back then either! There was a hell of a lot more footwook to get something like what is going on now done. We had to table on the streets and distribute printed flyers, then try to get people to show up for mass meetings. Those were the good old days, I learned a great deal.

Hi eg, thank you for a lovely evening! What fun!

Usually people take their business elsewhere, so it’s perhaps helping a business that supported “No on 8″ or at least didn’t contribute and THEIR employees. The employees and management at these firms will at least pressure the firm to make an apology. Of course, I suppose the CEO could be a jerk and really weigh the values of supporting their workers lower than their sexual morality. But is THAT the sort of business you’d support?

Well Larue…your argument could be made about all boycotts…

the Birmingham Bus Boycott by Martin Luther King, the boycott against South Africa, the Grape Boycott by the United Farm Workers by Cesar Chavez, the salt and cotton boycott by Gandhi, the Tea Boycott by the Sons of Liberty, the “Blood Diamond” boycott, the boycott for Dolphin-safe Tuna, etc. Strikes are a form of boycott…denying ones labor until changes in conditions are made. Essentially a boycott is a consumer strike.

In fact one could argue that bans on using the services or goods by governments concerned about labor or other conditions in other countries are a form of boycott. Usually they are initiated against that country by citizens and the government only picks up on it later. Usually it is the source of opposition for “Free Trade Treaties” until enforceable provisions securing those rights are included.

Of course, ALL of these had impacts on players who were not involved in the “wrong”. A strike impacts consumers, and ones own family. It hurts the management. And it may impact other workers who are dependent on the products produced for making something else. South Africa always used the “workers” who suffered to try and break the boycotts against it. Ghandi’s cotton boycott potentially could have caused workers to lose jobs in Manchester, or hurt the retailers of manufactured clothing in India.