Comments on: Waiting For The End Of The World: IEA Expects 6 Degrees Warming. http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:17:34 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Kassandra http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1726185 Kassandra Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:35:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1726185 <p>And just think…or not, the “smartest species ever” has accomplished this since oh, about 1930.</p> <p>the meek shall indeed inherit the earth; it will be the cockroaches ( although sometimes I feel humans are just big ones)</p> <p>Forget about the financial disaster. It’s too late to stop this already isn’t it?</p> And just think…or not, the “smartest species ever” has accomplished this since oh, about 1930.

the meek shall indeed inherit the earth; it will be the cockroaches ( although sometimes I feel humans are just big ones)

Forget about the financial disaster. It’s too late to stop this already isn’t it?

]]> By: Blub http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725941 Blub Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:31:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725941 <p>for the increment, times 9 then divide by 5. You only add the 32 when comparing two actual temperatures releative to the temperature at which water freezes</p> for the increment, times 9 then divide by 5. You only add the 32 when comparing two actual temperatures releative to the temperature at which water freezes

]]> By: Blub http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725934 Blub Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:31:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725934 <p>both the USDA’s soil conservation service and USGS have extensive technical reportage on the risks… and the historical occurrence every 10,000 yrs or so of the same phenomenon. The Dust Bowl, where vegetative cover fell below the critical activation threshold briefly, due to overfarming as opposed to warming, was a mild foretaste for what’s coming.</p> both the USDA’s soil conservation service and USGS have extensive technical reportage on the risks… and the historical occurrence every 10,000 yrs or so of the same phenomenon. The Dust Bowl, where vegetative cover fell below the critical activation threshold briefly, due to overfarming as opposed to warming, was a mild foretaste for what’s coming.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725927 selise Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:22:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725927 <p>no worries….was just wondering if you had some special source. thanks!</p> no worries….was just wondering if you had some special source. thanks!

]]> By: Blub http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725921 Blub Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:19:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725921 <p>selise, it’s in the same report I believe, in one of the earliest chapters. Also, in the book, Six Degrees by Lynas (referenced above) in the one degree chapter (as oppsed to the six degree one). Sorry.. I’m on iPhone now and can’t link.. darn Steve Jobs….</p> selise, it’s in the same report I believe, in one of the earliest chapters. Also, in the book, Six Degrees by Lynas (referenced above) in the one degree chapter (as oppsed to the six degree one). Sorry.. I’m on iPhone now and can’t link.. darn Steve Jobs….

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725913 Larue Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:11:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725913 <p>Lemme get this straight. </p> <p>A 6 Degree Centigrade increase is a 42.6 Degree Fahrenheit increase?<br /> Or thereabouts? </p> <p>Sacto AVERAGE would rise from 73F to 113F or so.<br /> An Aug avg high of 92F would rise to 132F? </p> <p>I’m SO outta here . . . not to mention an 8 meter rise in sea level (a shade under 23 ft.) would pretty much flood Sactown from the delta . . . </p> <p>Good habitat for Republicans, though. *G*</p> Lemme get this straight.

A 6 Degree Centigrade increase is a 42.6 Degree Fahrenheit increase?
Or thereabouts?

Sacto AVERAGE would rise from 73F to 113F or so.
An Aug avg high of 92F would rise to 132F?

I’m SO outta here . . . not to mention an 8 meter rise in sea level (a shade under 23 ft.) would pretty much flood Sactown from the delta . . .

Good habitat for Republicans, though. *G*

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725908 selise Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:07:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725908 <p>re: derrick jensen’s “culture of make believe” - don’t know if anyone will see this, but might as well leave it. couldn’t find the bit i was looking for in the book, but this is the same conversation described in an <a href="http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2008/07/21/its-tremendous-fun-to-fight-back-an-interview-with-derrick-jensen/" rel="nofollow">interview</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>Personally, I’ve actually found it quite liberating to simply feel despair. Despair is an appropriate response to a desperate situation.</p> <p>One day I was just sobbing, and I called up a friend of mine, Jeannette Armstrong, who is an Okanagan Indian activist. I said to her, “This work is just killing me. It’s breaking my heart.” She said, “Yeah, it’ll do that.” And I said, “The dominant culture hates everything, doesn’t it?” She said, “Yeah, it does. Even itself.” And I said, “It has a death urge, doesn’t it?” She said, “Yeah, it does.” And I said, “Unless it’s stopped it’s going to kill everything on the planet, isn’t it?” She said, “Yeah, it is. Unless it’s stopped.” And then I said, “We’re not going to make it to some great new glorious tomorrow, are we?” She thought for a moment and then she said the best thing she could possibly say, which was, “I’ve been waiting for you to say that.”</p> <p>The reason it was the best thing she could say was that it normalized my despair. It let me know that despair is an appropriate response to a desperate situation; the sorrow is just sorrow and the pain is just pain. It’s not so much the sorrow or even the pain that hurts as it is my resistance to it. It let me know that I can feel all those things and it wouldn’t kill me. I could feel that pain and still feel love.</p> <p>There’s this idea that if you really recognize how bad things are you have to go around being miserable all the time. But the truth is, I’m really happy. I am full of rage and sorrow and joy and happiness and contentment and discontent. I’m full of all those things. It’s okay to feel more than one thing at the same time.</p></blockquote> <p>disagree with jensen about plenty (agree too), but quite like this bit. struck me when i first read it a few years ago and has stuck with me.</p> re: derrick jensen’s “culture of make believe” – don’t know if anyone will see this, but might as well leave it. couldn’t find the bit i was looking for in the book, but this is the same conversation described in an interview:

Personally, I’ve actually found it quite liberating to simply feel despair. Despair is an appropriate response to a desperate situation.

One day I was just sobbing, and I called up a friend of mine, Jeannette Armstrong, who is an Okanagan Indian activist. I said to her, “This work is just killing me. It’s breaking my heart.” She said, “Yeah, it’ll do that.” And I said, “The dominant culture hates everything, doesn’t it?” She said, “Yeah, it does. Even itself.” And I said, “It has a death urge, doesn’t it?” She said, “Yeah, it does.” And I said, “Unless it’s stopped it’s going to kill everything on the planet, isn’t it?” She said, “Yeah, it is. Unless it’s stopped.” And then I said, “We’re not going to make it to some great new glorious tomorrow, are we?” She thought for a moment and then she said the best thing she could possibly say, which was, “I’ve been waiting for you to say that.”

The reason it was the best thing she could say was that it normalized my despair. It let me know that despair is an appropriate response to a desperate situation; the sorrow is just sorrow and the pain is just pain. It’s not so much the sorrow or even the pain that hurts as it is my resistance to it. It let me know that I can feel all those things and it wouldn’t kill me. I could feel that pain and still feel love.

There’s this idea that if you really recognize how bad things are you have to go around being miserable all the time. But the truth is, I’m really happy. I am full of rage and sorrow and joy and happiness and contentment and discontent. I’m full of all those things. It’s okay to feel more than one thing at the same time.

disagree with jensen about plenty (agree too), but quite like this bit. struck me when i first read it a few years ago and has stuck with me.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725904 selise Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:05:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725904 <p>blug - do you have any links on the great plains dune reactivation?</p> blug – do you have any links on the great plains dune reactivation?

]]> By: Blub http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725893 Blub Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:01:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725893 <p>one should note that the imminent and probably unavoidable Great Plains +1.5 degree dune reactivation and consequent instant Gobification of the middle of our great nation, are almost constant dust storms of such intensity as to render the breathing of oxygen outdoors almost impossible. I hope for their sake that all of the Palinists who dominate the political landscape in that region are right about divine spontaneous generation versus evolution… cause if they want to torment us with their continued existence they’re going to have to spontaneously develop the ability to breath silicon by say 2040 at the latest.</p> <p> We’re all going to die because of this, but some will die before others do, and, in this case, I’m going to<br /> have to try real hard to feel compassion for these likely first American victims of our impending die off.</p> one should note that the imminent and probably unavoidable Great Plains +1.5 degree dune reactivation and consequent instant Gobification of the middle of our great nation, are almost constant dust storms of such intensity as to render the breathing of oxygen outdoors almost impossible. I hope for their sake that all of the Palinists who dominate the political landscape in that region are right about divine spontaneous generation versus evolution… cause if they want to torment us with their continued existence they’re going to have to spontaneously develop the ability to breath silicon by say 2040 at the latest.

We’re all going to die because of this, but some will die before others do, and, in this case, I’m going to
have to try real hard to feel compassion for these likely first American victims of our impending die off.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725872 selise Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:48:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-iea-expects-6-degrees-warming/#comment-1725872 <p>rough estimates from eyeballing graphs:</p> <p>big drop off in “Crude oil -currently producing fields” from 70 to 30 mb/d by 2030</p> <p>remainder of makes of the diff to keep levels constants (absent natural gas liquids and non-conventional oil):</p> <p>going to 5 mb/d by 2030: “Crude oil -additional EOR<br /> going to 15 mb/d by 2030: “Crude oil -fields yet to be found”<br /> going to 20 mb/d by 2030: “Crude oil -fields yet to be developed”</p> rough estimates from eyeballing graphs:

big drop off in “Crude oil -currently producing fields” from 70 to 30 mb/d by 2030

remainder of makes of the diff to keep levels constants (absent natural gas liquids and non-conventional oil):

going to 5 mb/d by 2030: “Crude oil -additional EOR
going to 15 mb/d by 2030: “Crude oil -fields yet to be found”
going to 20 mb/d by 2030: “Crude oil -fields yet to be developed”

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