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	<title>Comments on: Just Say It, Bobo &#8212; &#8220;Union&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: RoyalOak</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725376</link>
		<dc:creator>RoyalOak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know I’m waaay late to this game but I had to say thank you, Jane, for this post.  My dad and my brother were upper Ford management and my husband is a UAW member.  I could go on  and on about the poor business plans of  the Big 3 but the unions are not responsible for that.  And the health care?  My husband is 51 and because of his job he has had knee surgery, neck surgery, and just had his second hip replaced (no one in his family has any bone problems or joint problems).  The workers need really good health care because they are truly damaged physically getting their jobs done.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I’m waaay late to this game but I had to say thank you, Jane, for this post.  My dad and my brother were upper Ford management and my husband is a UAW member.  I could go on  and on about the poor business plans of  the Big 3 but the unions are not responsible for that.  And the health care?  My husband is 51 and because of his job he has had knee surgery, neck surgery, and just had his second hip replaced (no one in his family has any bone problems or joint problems).  The workers need really good health care because they are truly damaged physically getting their jobs done.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725287</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks! i did not know that. still not a big fan of the list though.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks! i did not know that. still not a big fan of the list though.</p>
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		<title>By: stirstikhagios</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725279</link>
		<dc:creator>stirstikhagios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What do I think of when I think of “unions”? The airlines, public education and the auto industry. All three, even with the aid of government, struggle to meet the steep demands of mediocrity and more often than not fail.&lt;br /&gt;
I am of the opinion of letting the ‘Big 3′ crash &amp; burn and restructure without unions. If they hand my tax dollars to these companies while the UAW still has its finger in the pie, I will not buy another car from them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I think of when I think of “unions”? The airlines, public education and the auto industry. All three, even with the aid of government, struggle to meet the steep demands of mediocrity and more often than not fail.<br />
I am of the opinion of letting the ‘Big 3′ crash &amp; burn and restructure without unions. If they hand my tax dollars to these companies while the UAW still has its finger in the pie, I will not buy another car from them.</p>
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		<title>By: MayDaze</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725191</link>
		<dc:creator>MayDaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry I missed this thread, looks like the pro-union side could have used some help.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FYI, selise, Bonior is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/our-staff.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chair of American Rights at Work&lt;/a&gt;, so there is at least someone who has union workers’ backs on that team.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed this thread, looks like the pro-union side could have used some help.</p>
<p>FYI, selise, Bonior is <a href="http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/our-staff.html" rel="nofollow">Chair of American Rights at Work</a>, so there is at least someone who has union workers’ backs on that team.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What does “three strikes” mean?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the Charleston, WV AT&amp;T Call Center closed - after years of valiant effort to prevent it by Sen. Rockefeller - my ex-wife was given 1 year’s severance pay, 18 months of continued health insurance, and 2 years of paid schooling to retrain for another job.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;That’s&lt;/em&gt; how it’s done, not the “Jobs Bank” way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it seems to me that things that were done 3 years ago might be having an effect today. Just saying.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does “three strikes” mean?</p>
<p>When the Charleston, WV AT&amp;T Call Center closed &#8211; after years of valiant effort to prevent it by Sen. Rockefeller &#8211; my ex-wife was given 1 year’s severance pay, 18 months of continued health insurance, and 2 years of paid schooling to retrain for another job.</p>
<p><em>That’s</em> how it’s done, not the “Jobs Bank” way.</p>
<p>And it seems to me that things that were done 3 years ago might be having an effect today. Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: AAbshier</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725145</link>
		<dc:creator>AAbshier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wait a minute….Southwest Airlines IS unionized, and is one of the most heavily unionized airlines in the nation.  That said, they have had only one strike in their history, by the dispatchers in 1974, and it was short.  No union has taken action against them since then, and according to Wikipedia, the workforce is 87% unionized.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot of the reason why Southwest has been so successful is that they developed a corporate culture of “we’re all in this together” from the beginning.  Work rules are flexible, with an eye more towards efficient operation rather than draconian observation.  Basically, they have taken care of their employees from the beginning.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I spent a week “inside” Southwest for a magazine article, which is why I have some knowledge of this!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute….Southwest Airlines IS unionized, and is one of the most heavily unionized airlines in the nation.  That said, they have had only one strike in their history, by the dispatchers in 1974, and it was short.  No union has taken action against them since then, and according to Wikipedia, the workforce is 87% unionized.</p>
<p>A lot of the reason why Southwest has been so successful is that they developed a corporate culture of “we’re all in this together” from the beginning.  Work rules are flexible, with an eye more towards efficient operation rather than draconian observation.  Basically, they have taken care of their employees from the beginning.  </p>
<p>I spent a week “inside” Southwest for a magazine article, which is why I have some knowledge of this!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;it is not the worker on the line that has created the bloody mess we are in now. The biggest problem we have is the health care system that is the most expensive, one of the least effective and is being run by insurance companies not medical professionals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree wholeheartedly, but for the purposes of this discussion, we have to separate the worker from union officials. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying that the worker who sat in the job bank is the problem, I’m saying that the knuckleheads who came up with the idea and implemented it should not have a seat at the 21st century bargaining table.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Universal health care is by far a better solution to most of the problems discussed here today than unions for union’s sake.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it is not the worker on the line that has created the bloody mess we are in now. The biggest problem we have is the health care system that is the most expensive, one of the least effective and is being run by insurance companies not medical professionals.</p>
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<p>I agree wholeheartedly, but for the purposes of this discussion, we have to separate the worker from union officials. </p>
<p>I’m not saying that the worker who sat in the job bank is the problem, I’m saying that the knuckleheads who came up with the idea and implemented it should not have a seat at the 21st century bargaining table.</p>
<p>Universal health care is by far a better solution to most of the problems discussed here today than unions for union’s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725139</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is a 3 year old link that tells only a small, distorted portion of the story with no mention of where things are today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Jobs Bank was started to give union workers whose jobs were having to implement technology that would ultimately put them out of a job.  While there were certainly problems with the way it was administered, the alternative was putting them out on the street.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I welcome the discussion but let’s not go for three strikes here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a 3 year old link that tells only a small, distorted portion of the story with no mention of where things are today.</p>
<p>The Jobs Bank was started to give union workers whose jobs were having to implement technology that would ultimately put them out of a job.  While there were certainly problems with the way it was administered, the alternative was putting them out on the street.  </p>
<p>I welcome the discussion but let’s not go for three strikes here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/14/just-say-it-bobo-union/#comment-1725115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;awesome&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Boy, you got that riht! I’d like to see some serious renegotiating of trade deals that are all give and no get for the U.S.Maybe some tariffs and quotas on imports,too!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, you got that riht! I’d like to see some serious renegotiating of trade deals that are all give and no get for the U.S.Maybe some tariffs and quotas on imports,too!</p>
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