Re the Cleland ad in 2002:

It’s not talked about at all in the local media,” said Charles Bullock, a political science professor at the University of Georgia. He added that, despite the national scorn for the ad, “it worked in Georgia.”

I don’t need to add anything to that.

i see shep smith showing some integrity again. every once in a while he surprises. someone on FOX said the media was “in the tank” for President-elect Obama. Smith’s response:

Oh, please…the mainstream media reflected what was happening in this nation. It did not drive it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..43393.html

It worked everywhere in this country.

ted nugent is such a dick.

Nugent put Palin in a list of Conservative leaders and thinkers, thus demonstrating how far the Party of Lincoln has fallen. It would be tragic if it wasn’t so funny. Wallow on, Republics!

Thanks for the torture article, BT. This is turning into such a sad week. First, it looks like Liebertoad will keep his gavel and now the smart money is saying nobody will go to prison over torture.

Our nation has completely lost the concept of consequences for bad actions. [I guess we can throw the Chambliss-Cleland ad into this mix, too.]

Shorter Bayh, Lieberman has us by the balls and we are afraid to tell him to back off.

Great Obama quotes. Can’t he start early?

Left Teddy a note on his essay. What an asshole.

thinkers? did he really say thinkers? he called palin a thinker? who was it that said “If he ever had an origianl thought it would die of loneliness” ?

that’s been a big republican line over the years — actions have consequences. i wish.

i see our very own Bill Nelson is one of the sens. pushing hardest for lieberman. why am i not surprised?

AGHHHHHHH!!!
from an ENLIGHTENED KOS POSTER!!!

et’s get all Barack Obama on Chambliss’ ass (1+ / 0-)

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Let’s get Obama’s list of voters and make phone calls and tell all of Barack’s supporters that if they want him to be able to pursue his agenda they need show up at the runoff election and vote for Martin so the Republican fear mongering racist assholes can’t filibuster and prevent Obama’s legislation from passing in the Senate.

It is not available on barackobama.com now but it should be. Why not? The functionality is all in place. Just substitute the new Martin script, and make only Georgia phone numbers available to everyone nationwide. With so many Obama volunteers with nothing else to do, and only one state’s electorate to focus on, we could contact every single voter on Obama’s list between now and December.

What is to stop Obama? If it is not illegal, I say do it. Are they afraid of backlash? O’Reilly and his ilk criticizing Obama for wielding his influence in order to create a compliant filibuster proof supermajority in the Senate so he can advance his radical agenda? That will be his argument. Here is the counter argument: you are right, Bill, Obama does not want obstructionist Republican assholes preventing him from fixing all of the mistakes that have brought this country to the brink of ruin over the last 8 years. Do you remember how the Republicans banded together and prevented the override of Bush’s video of the SCHIP bill? That was dangerous legislation indeed, one that provided health insurance to small children that didn’t have it.

Fuck these Republican motherfuckers. Do everything in our power to crush them. Polls show the American people have no problem with Demorcrats controlling the White House and Congress. So make it fucking happen!

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent”.

CAN SOMEBODY with good posting abilities
PLEASE POST A GOTV post for the Georgia Senate race

please ,please.please…pretty please

Raven can you help with above proposition?

I do believe I will be placing a phone call to Senator Nelson’s office today. I will need to take several deep breaths just before dialing…

Ted Nugent, RINO. Rock and Roller in Name Only.

The Hulk is down by about 815 votes now. Bye Hulk!

time to dump Saxby CHARMEDASS too

Meanwhile, in frosty, rainy MN, many of my friends have signed on for recount duty in the Franken/Coleman election. Long hours for many, many days. It’s going to be a tough job, and folks are queuing up in droves to oversee this thing. Wiser ones than I (and lately, that’s pretty much anyone) say this is likely to tilt Franken. Let it be so!!!

Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?

It’s every ‘merican’s God-given right…

Robert Parry teh smarteepants

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/111108.html

With respect to:

Obama’s plans for probing Bush torture

The Obama plan […] would emphasize fact-finding investigation over prosecution. It is gaining currency in Washington as Obama advisors begin to coordinate with Democrats in Congress on the proposal. The plan would not rule out future prosecutions, but would delay a decision on that matter until all essential facts can be unearthed. Between the time necessary for the investigative process and the daunting array of policy problems Obama will face upon taking office, any decision on prosecutions probably would not come until a second Obama presidential term, should there be one.

Even if Bush provides a blanket pardon, I trust that testimony before the proposed nonpartisan commission would be given under oath. Anyone caught lying to the commission could then be prosecuted for that and with Bush gone there would be no possibility of another pardon.

fukity,fuk fuk…scuse French

there is ZERO OVERSIGHT

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews

Well, this was disappointing. A little dyslexic moment had me reading, “Should the government stop dumping money into giant a hole,” and assumed it was about Lieberman’s salary.

Note that one of the criteria for getting the International Criminal Court involved would be for the US to pardon everyone involved and to say that there will be no prosecutions. The door would then be open for the ICC to assert jurisdiction since the US refuses to take action.

YES!

Several congressional aides, however, said they did not understand how the Senate could possibly do all the proper vetting for such a critical appointment in just a few days. Thorson’s confirmation process, for example, took nearly a year.

so just toss the billions out with no accountability, no transparency even tho it all goes to their buddies.

Is there no way we citizens can DEMAND honesty?
What a racket — in the most criminal sense of the word.

and Adam Nagourney still slurping puke Sea-Men

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..43370.html

Colbert Backs Up ‘Papa Bear’: The New Conflict is Gays vs Blacks.

The wingnuts and their Master, Bill O’Reilly, have been waiting for the day when those darned minorities would stop picking on white people and start turning on each other. Which is why they’re selling the Prop 8 outcome as the product of the black vote.

Colbert:

“Gays should protest black people! The new conflict is gays vs. blacks, and blacks vs. gays. And black gays vs. themselves. It’s gonna be great.

I’ve been saying for years these PC groups would turn on each other — although I had my heart set on Eskimos vs. the handicapped.”

we need a MOVE-ON .ORG response…i really mean it…
headlines down the memry hole is one thing
all our$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

is another thing entirely

JUST SAY NO…………….WAY

Is there no way we citizens can DEMAND honesty?

This has dogged our heels all along the way. Once we have voted, we are expected to be mute spectators. What is the venue (besides harping endlessly at elected officials) for demanding accountability? Four years, six years is too long to wait.

Check out what a 7 year old political blogger has to say about Palin. Really dead-on!

I’m not sure what you are asking for?

I’d love to see an Oxdown Diary on that.

Isn’t there also a law in this country that if any U.S. citizen is taken off for prosecution by that Court, that we we can/must send troops to recover the person(s)?

I didn’t take it quite that way. It seemed to me more like, “you just can’t always give in to what you would like to do and toss out what might be a resource in some circumstances, particularly when you always have that option.” I don’t know what they will end up doing, but it seems they have a better hold on Lieberman than he has on them.

Interesting. Dare I hope? United States and the International Criminal Court.

At the present, the position of the United States is set by the outgoing Bush Administration, who has made clear their intention to never join the International Criminal Court, which was established in 2002 as a permanent criminal court to investigate and prosecute genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. Although the position of the outgoing Bush Administration has been made clear, the Rome Statute is subject to intense debate within the United States, and the U.S. position will likely be revisited by the next President of the United States, President-Elect Barack Obama, as well as by the Congress. When asked whether the United States should join the International Criminal Court, President-Elect Obama (then a Senator), stated:

Yes[.] The United States should cooperate with ICC investigations in a way that reflects American sovereignty and promotes our national security interests.

Still, it’s hard for me to imagine that Obama would actually follow through with this if it were to open up the possibility of prosecutions of US politicians in the ICC.

Mornin’ Firedogs -

am having some trouble getting the site to load – anyone else ?

(((cbl2))) No problems for me, but mighty glad you’re here!

if we could get a huge GOTV effort ,phone call,canvassing ,getting Dems out in droves to dump Saxby,if you could do a Post at OG,im a terrible writer,or i would do it…see my 12

ditto,ditto

You’re all smarter about this than I am. But I’m a good writer, an excellent editor. If I can help . . . .

i must get back to work for my animal projects,th big race was won,and more possibilities open for them too…big “G”

thank you i shall try!

At this point in time, the democratic party has pretty strong evidence that Joe did not perform his duties as chairman of Homeland Security. If Joe is not forced to resign his chairmanship now, exactly what would it take for him to resign in the future?

oh good a sadlyyes-barbara joint project.

right back at cha

just now I didn’t even see my comment go through, am just getting the “an error has occurred” message – laughing at myself because I’m one of those who simply has to check Preview at least twice before submitting

oh well -lol

We are witnessing the continued evisceration of the republic at the hands of corporate aristocrats bailing out another industry having had the benefit of 35 years of protectionism, while traditionally resisting change because of cost concerns?? This is like giving a crack addict crack.

Jefferson Quote:

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,. the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people.”

Top three concerns for Americans??
1) Taxes 2) Energy 3) Health care

Now Paulson pulls a bait and switch????

I’m not having any trouble, have you tried restarting your browser?

see my@12
if tou could write a diary at OG,here atFDL….mebbe it will catch on

Yes, that law does complicate things a bit. I suspect that law itself would have a bit of trouble on the international legal front. [IANAL!]

I may do an Oxdown soon, but in the meantime, here is the ICC response to the letter over a hundred of us sent from Humanity Against Crimes. Their response doesn’t mention the refusal to take action situation but I believe that may come under the route of referral under the UN Charter.

Let’s get Obama’s list of voters and make phone calls and tell all of Barack’s supporters that if they want him to be able to pursue his agenda they need show up at the runoff election and vote for Martin so the Republican fear mongering racist assholes can’t filibuster and prevent Obama’s legislation from passing in the Senate.

It is not available on barackobama.com now but it should be. Why not? The functionality is all in place. Just substitute the new Martin script, and make only Georgia phone numbers available to everyone nationwide. With so many Obama volunteers with nothing else to do, and only one state’s electorate to focus on, we could contact every single voter on Obama’s list between now and December.

I’m volunteering for the Martin campaign here. I’ll try to keep you posted.

and now the bloodsucking credit card companies expect a bailout. How about giving that money to the victims of their usury?

What I got was that he doesn’t have to resign, they can throw him out at any time; perhaps the first time he didn’t follow instructions.

Christy’s up!
Name The Bush Biographical Tome Contest!

Perhaps.

as if.
they don’t seem to mind he trashtalked Obama all through the election and was a featured speaker at the Republican National Convention. I’m not adverse to them keeping him in the caucus as long as he’s neutered, but to let him keep a gavel? aiaiaiyeee!

thanks …do a diary if ya can

Anyway, I thought Bayh started to wax poetic and had to shake himself back to the subject at hand when he started to describe Lieberman wandering the halls, shunned and friendless. He seemed attracted to the image and so was I.

and po.po numnutz Lehman ceo…had to sell his 20,000,000.00$ art collection today BOO HOO

The “possibility of prosecutions of US politicians in the ICC”, will, as you suggest, Bilbo, prevent this nation from joining the ICC.

It is both an example of our “exceptionalism” and a reminder that the American Political Class will never allow ANY of their fellows to EVER be held accountable for the most serious of crimes …

The Rule of Law simply no longer exists for America, internationally or domestically.

It will be interesting to witness how this truth will be parsed.

that was priceless….hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

read this

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/111108.html

I don’t know Obama’s own intentions/wishes, but I have a feeling they are more explicit and less “Mary Poppins-like” than has been revealed. Anyway, I don’t think Lieberman is in near the position of power he has been in the current session.

Thanks, sadly, that is quite a collection of lessons NOT learned.

One hopes Obama has, at least, heard of these things. As to whether he will heed them, we may only ‘hope’, however audacious such hope might be.

yup. dead on. she’s not rationa;, ergo not qualified. go argue with that.

It is both an example of our “exceptionalism” and a reminder that the American Political Class will never allow ANY of their fellows to EVER be held accountable for the most serious of crimes …

Way too late now for this thread I guess, but Glenn Greenwald hammers this point (albeit more generally) this morning too:

Post-partisan harmony vs. the rule of law

John Hinderacker tells me that Obama should start talking like George W. Bush. Ow, the stupid, it BURNS!