According to Greg Sargent, Howard Fineman is reporting that Obama has now expressed his clear support not only for Joe Lieberman staying in the caucus, but for retaining his Chairmanship of the Department of Homeland Security Committee.
While it’s one thing for Obama to personally forgive Lieberman for the race baiting and other gutter tactics that he engaged in on McCain’s behalf during the campaign, it’s quite another to let the chairmanship of such an important committee, which Lieberman has used for years to prevent Senatorial investigation into no-bid contracts and contractor abuse within the Department of Homeland Security, to serve as an olive branch.
That’s an awfully high price for a lot of reasons.
Since its inception, the Department of Homeland Security has been one of the most corruption-riddled arms of the government, able to hide its affairs from the prying eyes of the public under the guise of "national security." Here’s Richard Clarke from his book Your Government Failed You (p. 212):
As soon as it was obvious that a big new federal department was going to be created, the major Defense Department contractors and systems integrators saw a new opportunity, or perhaps a new prey. The contractors are known as "Beltway bandits," because of their elaborate corporate facilities in the Washington suburbs along the Beltway highway and because of their frequent cost overruns on DOD contracts. Suddenly former government officials working for the big contractors were asking to see me and anyone else they knew at the White House. Their purpose was always the same. They had come to explain that they were now the vice president for homeland security of their company. I asked one such visitor, whom I had known for years, "What the hell do you know about homeland security?" Helaughed and admitted, "Nothing, but neither does anyone else."
This has created a mess under the Bush Administration that one could safely predict it would.
The Department of Homeland Security is requesting a 2009 budget of $50.5 billion dollars. To put that in perspective, the military budget for Iraq and Afghanistan for 2009 is $200 billion.
The budget for Barack Obama’s healthcare plan, when fully implemented, is estimated to be between $50-65 billion annually. (pdf)
We’re already being told post-election that we’re going to have to dial back our expectations, that Obama’s plans might have to be sacrificed during these difficult economic times to the Blue Dog demand for "PayGo" if there’s no way too offset them in the federal budget:
President-elect Barack Obama promises a bold energy plan to develop green technology, slash oil imports from unfriendly nations and tax more of the profits of oil companies, but the cost of the Wall Street bailout and an expected U.S. recession may impede his efforts.
Obama said as much during the first presidential debate when he said he may have to scale back on his green plan.
"I’m not willing to give up the need to do it, but there may be individual components of it that we can’t do," he said.
So where’s the money going to come from?
Well, the House has a Committee on Homeland Security too, and its Subcommittee on Management, Investigations, and Oversight recently found $15 billion worth of waste in 11 Department of Homeland Security programs – for "projects ranging from airport baggage-screening to trailers for Hurricane Katrina evacuees."
Lieberman, many will recall, was responsible for holding hearings into the government’s response to Hurricane Katrina. But after winning his 2006 election with the help of the GOP, he decided it would be too "divisive" and refused to do so.
Good governance is going to be about more than passing new legislation, it’s going to be about cleaning up the mess that has been made over the past 8 years. It’s going to be about weeding out the graft and greed and corruption that has caused American taxpayers to foot the bill for outrageous deficits. The military industrial complex has been bilking the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security with no-bid contracts for things nobody needs that we’re not allowed to know about for years now. The only way we’re going to find out about these abuses, and right them, is if our elected officials accept that responsibility.
Not only is Joe Lieberman not doing that job, as Chairman of the Department of Homeland Security Committee he’s keeping anyone else from doing it. He happily allowed a seat on the Homeland Security Advisory Council to be doled out as political patronage to a corrupt Bush Pioneer. He has no interest in cleaning up the mess he helped to make.
Is his continued happiness worth the cost of healthcare? Of the environment? Of putting Americans back to work? Of reducing our dependence on oil and getting the economy back on its feet?
Allowing Lieberman to retain control of a committee where he has done nothing but suppress meaningful oversight is going to be an awfully bitter pill to swallow when we’re told that the price of "change" we all thought we were voting for is going to be too high.
Call Democratic Senators and tell them — Just Say No to Joe.
Sign the petition — Joe Must Go.




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I admire the strength and logic you bring to this discussion. I was almost ready to say, “who cares?”
no more.
what bama says publicly about the matter is just window dressing. they need his vote from time to time. i believe joe is already gone. would really surprise me if the dems let him stay.
It’s likely that Obama wants Lieberman to ‘owe’ him.
this is how things are done in dc. it’s all show.
i’m with peterboy. thank you jane. great post.
Still, Joe did a lousy job – he needs to be seriously demoted.
if that’s so, when do you think we’ll hear about joe’s departure as committee chair? in time for thanksgiving? new years?
Obama can do no wrong. If he wants Lieberman to stay he must have a good reason. I will not question it.
Obama has been playing his cards pretty close to the vest. Fineman might be full of crap. Anyway, it’s not the president-elect’s call to make, although he can exert a lot of influence on those making the decision.
epic fail (lower case for now)
we will hear the details when all the ground work is completed. i don’t know when that will be. sure doesn’t hurt to keep the pressure up though.
Completely off-topic but scandalicious, according to National Enquirer, Cindy McCain caught cheating on the mavericky one.
Does anyone have a vote-count? Who is on the record for Liarman and who is on the record against?
I will call my Sen. Harkin and try to get a commitment.
It’s not up to Obama to make that call, I think Joes done.
OT
Paulson has some interesting comments today…
http://apnews1.iwon.com//artic…..HC700.html
I imagine we’ll get an update from Ian…
i will bet any public statement will be in support of joe. the vote will be private. he’s gone.
Check out this at Driftglass’ place –
http://driftglass.blogspot.com…..-reid.html
–where he views the sitch in the Chicago way.
Spew alert.
No doubt how things play out with the remaining Senate seats still up for grabs will be a factor.
This is good cop bad cop… Obi is gonna play nice and let the senators toss him and say I didn’t give the order.
If they listen to the people petitioning for HoJo to goblo AND all the shit he reigned on the dems… it’s a no brainer.
right. if we get ga and mn then joe is less important. have to wait. in the mean tim keep him on our side.
LIEberman belongs in prison,treason is a crime…right?
The waste at DHS was probably exceeded by that of the Iraq “rebuilding effort,” but not by all that much. When DHS was being set up, they hired employees away from other agencies by paying one grade (GS) higher than those employees were making, to do the same job. Pork was almost limitless, especially for those local governments lucky enough to be in R districts.
And Lieberman did nothing. But he’ll get right on investigations after Obama takes over, if he’s allowed to remain.
then when he is gone bama can say oh what a rotten deal you got joe.
Dear Barak:
I realize that you want to send a message to the GOP members of Congress that “we” (the Democrats, who are now your overlords) are ‘better’ than you are; “we” do not behave in the same petty, political, stupid, useless, harmful, vindictive ways that you do. But you know, Barak, honey…you are dealing with someone who will not think twice – who will not think ONCE – about stabbing you in the back, about trying to balk your ever policy change and program. Yes, I understand that you don’t want to turn Joe into a martyr for the GOP – but if anyone understands ‘disciplining the troops’ – it’s the GOP — they don’t trust him either. Why would they want this viper in their ‘bosom’? They don’t.
So, you need to find a way to de-fang Joe. Now.
you got the goods on joe?
Joes toast !
I didn’t realize DHS was pissing thru our money that way,WTF does it ever end ?
Thanks Jane for pointing this out!!
not good barack. ok, reach across the aisle to somebody on the same side of the aisle (odd, ain’t it?) be magnanimous. but no chairmanship. maybe a commerce subcommittee on pots and pans. but noe homeland security. c’mon, man!
The goods are all over Joe…McCain’s pecker tracks.
No, it never ends. Tax revenue in the U.S. is more than would be required to solve every problem on Earth that can be solved with money but nine tenths of it gets pissed away.
This is just a political ploy!
Don’t read too much into it.
It’s the money being wasted that gets my goat!!!
There is the strategy of keeping him. Then going through the DHS with that scalpel in a public way, where Lieb has to come clean on the no-bids and then Lieb realizes that he just got cooked in a very public fashion as the greed etc…plays out in the media. Thus, leaving him no alternative but to step down.
Then, Joe does IT to himself.
Is there any reason to believe that Fineman is not just making it up? Serously, why on earth does everyone take it as fact that Obama wants Lieberman to stay on as Homeland Security head? I don’t believe it for a second.
me either
“Transparent” and “scalpel” used correctly can have effective end results…
I’m gonna withhold judgement at this time I’ll see how things are next spring.
Is it gonna be a case of “same old same old”,I hope the fuck not but I’m a cynic by nature so you’ll have to show me!!
Budget matters aren’t sexy enough to garner much attention from the MSM… or most of the electorate. If it were, they’d have been holding these guys accountable all along.
time for Obama to get his first rebuke and the Democrats in Congress to assert their independence (hopefully this is all a ruse to do just that). It would be an astounding piece of detachment from, and bird-flipping at “the base” that elected Obama and the Democrats to reward the scum LIEberman by leaving him with responsibility of any kind. And leaving him in the caucus is superfluous: as long as he remains a Senator he’ll be voting as a republican cultist and make anti-Democratic position resolutions regardless of which caucus he’s in (but pissing him off so he makes his republican cultism official would have been nice)
Reminder to President Elect Obama: Your election was not about you; it was about us!
here’s a cabinet proposal. chuck spinney for pentagon (and related) spending czar. (most excellent interview of spinney by george kenney will make you laugh and cry).
Lieberman’s Senate hearings are all at the Homeland Security Committee website. Doesn’t provide transcripts (not sure because part of the website is not working) but you can usually get audio or video of hearing.
I don’t know enough about Budgeting to comment.
I am going to look at his hearings on no-fly list and private contractors in military, since I have some hope of understanding that on a common sense level.
From what I have seen so far, Lieberman’s style of oversight is to call in some high ranking government officials and have them tell him how things are going. These hearings get very predictable: Great challenges, encourageing progress, miles to go before we sleep, to-do-list.
Seems to me Lieberman also carefully limits the scope of his hearings -for example, his opening statement and witness list was consistetn with assumption that private contracting must expand, and only question was how to manage it.
The contrast not only with the Waxman’s committee but also with Lieberman’s own subcommittee (Landrieu, Carper, Akaka, and even the newbie Tester) chairs is striking.
I think any of his subcommittee chairs would do a better job.
Let’s see if I can survie watching two of his hearings -the officious sanctimony is oppressive. I tend to fall asleep.
I did find three or four hearings Lieberman ran that seemed to be very good, but they are the exception. And, as I said, I do not know enough to judge the budget hearings.
from Short Ride to short leash.
Obama stated an open process which requires public accountability for budget expenditures. I think the MSM would eat up Lieb having to account for his budget…Come on the “hot seat” is quite sexy to the media.
Congressional oversight is a bad joke, Lieberman is a bad guy, like a drunk in a bar who makes abusive statements. You walk away from abusive drunks. Lieberman is impotent and putting Chuck Schumer or the Clintons in charge of Homeland Security will make no difference. Obama will likely ignore Lieberman on all fronts and use him when he can. And leave it at that at. Only thing to do or not do as the case may be.
Drifty is brilliant. and both he and Obama are from Chicago. i’m just sayin’
Chris Bowers gave it a shot yesterday.
Must be those pesky Lamont hackers at it again.
My 42 was for 36, ratfood…
THAT would be too delicious, klynn.
You should be a master strategist for Obama.
Seriously.
If the Obama team is paying attention to the ’sense’ of the genuine needs of nation, then you should expect to be ‘approached’ fairly soon.
In any case, you have provided the equivalent of a ‘litmus test’ regarding the Obama Administration’s ‘intentions’ in terms of Lieberman.
We await the ‘results’.
;~D
I hope you’re right. For insurance purposes, it would still be nice if Joe would get arrested playing footsie in a mens room.
The outside world is calling
Be back later!
Bye now!
Who all is going?
http://www.time.com/time/today…..13,00.html
Tell everybody I said, “Hi!”
We should ask whether it is a good idea for Lieberman to chair a committee that has oversight on his own little beloved baby -the Department of Homeland Security. It is difficult for a person who creates an organization can objectively evaluate it, especially when that person does not feel the pain of that organizations failing, does not pay the bills, etc.
That is true of any normal person. So that doesn’t have to be a slap at Lieberman. Though I think Lieberman has failings of temperment and judgment that make it impossible for him to do such a thing. So, I guess a guy could make that a personal slap at Lieberman, if they wanted to.
ah, thanks for the reminder. I try to remember to stop by EP every month or so to catchup on the interviews.
No Joe!
digg
Thanks Jane.
Polls on CNN. They have the results by state. I went through over a dozen.
http://www.timepolls.com/hppol…..s_181.html
http://www.timepolls.com/hppol…..s_185.html
http://www.timepolls.com/hppol…..s_184.html
http://www.timepolls.com/hppol…..s_189.html
http://www.timepolls.com/hppol…..s_188.html
Heh. Wait until Lieberman holds hearings on Obama’s misdeeds, real or imagined.
Why not set up a petition to the President-Elect committee to remove Lieberman from the Fatherland Total Law Enforcement committee — or whatever it’s supposed to be?
Want an easy way to resolve this problem? Get rid of all the Depts. newly formed by the Bush administration, which means Homeland Security goes. FEMA becomes a Cabinet level dept again, answerable directly to the Prez. Simple, no gavel for Joe!
My reaction as well.
However, I’m much more concerned about the Max Baucus “Healthcare” coverage plan that’s getting a lot of attention today. It’s basically the Edwards-then-Clinton plans from the campaign and includes mandates. It’s not far off from what Obama was talking about during the campaign with the most notable difference being the mandate exception.
Mandates and health “insurance” reform plans are historically used to kill single-payer movements. Dick Nixon proposed a similar plan in 1971! There’s no stepping stone to single payer since it would eliminate the entire health insurance industry for the most part, and they’ll fight any single-payer movement with everything they got, which is A LOT.
All one needs to know about this debate:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..271/659780
Forcing me to partake in an extremely flawed system without first fixing the flaws is not the answer. If Obama doesn’t get this, we’ll have to organize a movement to make him and the other Blue Dogs understand that single-payer is the ONLY universal healthcare there is.
Government Affairs would remain
I recall Obama taking Joe aside and yelling at him about a year or so ago. There’s footage of this. Anybody got a link?
This would make a very good Oxdown post.
Obama hasn’t said he wants JoeL to keep that committee, just to stay in the caucus. I think this thing is being set up so JoeL will walk out in a huff, because he isn’t going to get what he thinks he’s owed.
I hope the door hits him on the way out.
I heard a day or so ago that the majority in MA are ready to ditch their mandate system and go to single payer.
This too would make a very good Oxdown post.
the spinney interview is an old one, but still timely and my favorite of kenneys’ (which is saying a lot as he is my favorite interviewer).
I would like to see the decommissioning of the Pentagon/DD/WD. That would send all the cronies packing.
Is the point here that Lieberman should go because he would not investigate past misdeeds of the Bush Administration in the new Congress or, in the new Congress, he will start investigating Obama’s Department of Hoemland Security. If the answer is yes to both questions, who gas. I would not waste one minute on Lieberman if I were Obama, just let him twist and get his vote, if needed and ever available. Lieberman remains an elected junkyard dog and Obama should never take us there.
Jane, great article. Can you link to my site, traitorjoe.wordpresscom? I created the term TRAITOR JOE almost two years ago on this site. Now you, the New York Times and many others are using it. Fantastic!
Rob
Lookin’ at the ‘pie’ graphic, and thinkin’ ’bout, “‘Murkun as apple pie”, and lookin’ at the ‘military’ slices, we got ‘past’, which is 18%, ‘present’, which is 36%, (note that 18% is HALF of 36%) and we ex-trap-o-late the ‘future’, which if it follows the ‘present’ will be twice as much, or 72%, we is wonderin’ when “apple” becomes “military”.
Pie, a la mode?
What shall be America’s ‘fashionable’ pie?
from your keyboard…. please, goddess, let it be so.
BT up
Can’t remember where I heard or saw it, otherwise I’d link.
This is why it’s very important (and probably no accident) that the Pentagon’s own Defense Business Board (as dakine01 reported the other day in Oxdown) has said that the defense budget needs to be drastically cut:
Here’s what’s so great/wrong with our representative democracy. Once we elect our people they can do whatever they want. Every election constituents have little temper tantrums because our “leaders” betrayed our trust. If Washington really upsets the people, then in 24 months we can elect some new “leaders” to betray our trust.
I would bet money Lieberman keeps the gavel of Homeland Security. I would give odds against him being taken off the committee. Since I would pay money to see Lieberman give up the chair, betting that he won’t is really a win win. It would be the best losing bet I ever made.
Maybe Obama plans to do away with DHS.
who could blame her?
in case anyone’s interested, McStain’s astrology has been indicating this for quite some time now.
Talking about that no fly list, is there a possibility schrub’s name will end up on it. I remember he refused to let former Prez Carter leave the country. Paybacks are a MF.
i’d love to have that too.
it should go VIRAL again!
I repeat. They are keeping him on there because he knows all of the players.
homeland security. federal contracts. connecticut.
click on ‘expanded list’ in the categories to get a picture of how extensive and ’specifically hsc’ it is. goes from most money to ‘in the red’.
the ‘in the red’ entries at the bottom of the lists are interesting.
grant money category page was worth checking out, too.
http://www.fedspending.org/fpd…..ateCode=CT
off to get my eyes dilated, legally. heh. funity fun fun. bbl if i can read.
just started reading the diary you linked to. awesome link – one i hope we all read. thank you.
that could explain a lot. i thought the hcan thing was about electing dems (it was so obviously not about sound health care reform), but all the ads after the elections suggest that i was wrong – it wasn’t just about electing dems. maybe it really is an effort (by some few, i think a lot of good people got conned) to undermine the growing movement in support of conyer’s single payer bill.
It has been common knowledge for the past couple decades that theirs is a marriage of inconvenience. Don’t know why she didn’t jettison McStinky long ago.
I am not getting what Obama thinks he is getting out of this deal? Is Bush gonna bail the Big 2.5 out in return for Joelie chairing Homeland Security?
Did Joelie promise to help with the two state solution and getting rid of Israeli settlements?
Is this a sign Democrats have a real shot at 60? Did JoeLie sell Harry on the idea that he’d be a Democrat to put even more pressure on Specter, Collins, and Snow?
thanks. google is my friend. i’ll look later and if i don’t find anything will ask some people here who ought to know the inside story.
i felt sorry for her throughout the campaign.
she looked miserable and stuck to me.
MyDD:
that’s the kind of move i’d love to see.
That’s why I mentioned the strategy on Lieb that I mentioned @ 31. Obama probably needs to start with the DOD budget but that could also look unpatriotic as a new President. But if you make an example out of a Department linked to DOD, like DHS, it gets the budget process going fast and gets the trimming of budgets done in half the time. After one is caught with their pants down, no one will remain status quo on their budgets and will “clean” up before anything is public.
Transparency and scalpel together are powerful in tandem.
I’d love to be proven wrong about the “stepping stone” idea. Guessing this is what you saw?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/6/02651/9387
I remember Obama saying something about this a while back, and he expressed some support for a single-payer system, but thought we’d have to go in stages and not just all at once. Maybe he’s right once again?
McCain is purportedly worth between 35 and 45 million on his own, so he doesn’t need her money anymore and I can’t imagine what she EVER got out of the marriage, except for diplomatic immunity to prevent her luggage from being searched.
OT
I left you some funnies for your “hunter” concern this AM. Hope they brighten your day…
An accounting and compliance organization needs to be set up outside of the DOD that cuts the checks AFTER all requirements have been met including the Nunn/McCurdy legislation which has been totally ignored.
I’ve been confused by Krugman’s enthusiasm for these faux “universal coverage” plans with mandates. Perhaps he’s thinking in terms of the stepping stone to single-payer idea as well?
I don’t see that happening, but with the MA vote brought up above, and I think there was a vote somewhere in WI as well showing overwhelming support for government-funded healthcare for all, maybe they’re onto something.
That would be a brilliant stroke in light of his recommendation regarding Lieberman’s senate status.
Two thumbs up.
FEMA operated better as a stand alone shop…
would love for that to be so. but it can’t hurt for us to push single payer instead of some “compromise” – if necessary let the politicians compromise, but not us.
It appears, well, ridiculous.
8 years ago Joe Liberman had the high honor of being the VP pick on the Gore ticket. For receiving this high honor he has rewarded the Democratic party this year with his rejection of the Democratic party and his decission to be a part of the Republican party campaign. He is no longer a Democrat so we need to face it now before he can do more harm to the Dem party.
If that’s not satire, ladies and gentlemen, you’ve just witnessed the death of a movement.
That’s the kind of thinking that brought us the last 8 years.
yeah, ‘cuz I for one am not willing to cut Obama any slack… :~)
Well, this just goes to show that Obama is the progessive we all thought he was. He is progressively moving to the right. *ducks*
Why not? Obama’s judgment has been proven correct more than once starting with the Iraq war and the Roberts and Alito appointments. Many of the concerns presented here are not real. The Senate committee doesn’t run the Department of Homeland Security. The executive (Obama) does. As for the fifty billion, it’s about what AIG costs a quarter. Obama is no fool. Look where’s he gotten in a short time. He saw an opening and charged through. What he’s saying is Lieberman doesn’t matter. You know what? He doesn’t.
Obama supporting Lieberman is like Caesar taking off his armor and handing Brutus a short sword.
Your analogy is not exactly apt. Caesar trusted Brutus. I’m sure Obama does not trust Lieberman. Should Lieberman unsheath his short sword, I fully expect Obama to draw his gun.
Naw, Riesz is just frustrated that Clinton didn’t get the nod.
Satire with an ironic ‘twist’ …
[Hey, we’re talkin’ ’bout satire, next thing ya know some ’subtlety’ will come into play, and then ‘nuance’ will creep in, and… damn! we might make it all the way to thoughful consideration … (’con’ meaning; ‘put together’ … ’sider’ meaning, ‘… the stars’, therefore ‘consideration’ means ‘putting together … stars’)suggesting there might be hope for this part (wee, tiny, small part that it is) of the universe, after all.]
;~D
Heh, reminds me of the scene in that first Indiana Jones movie.
Barack (and Harry Reid) just stop and think for a minute. WWLD (What Would Lyndon Do) and react accordingly.
It’s not rocket science my friends:
dp/hq
What I just wrote to Harry the weak Reid:
In order to get elected, Obama had to run to the middle. But, after the shit JoLie has pulled, it’s unclear to me why he gets to keep the gavel? What are Harry and Barack getting in return?
you didn’t see my invisible snark tag?
Howie Klein has an honored guest, upstairs!
Blue America Welcomes Back Senator-Elect Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
I’m disgusted by this. I just finished all my calls to the steering and outreach committee. I got everybody, Durbin took my zip code and Kohl asked if I thought LIEberman should be out of the caucuses also, and I said yes.
Start spending that political capital Obama! Time for Rahm to start making those one-two punches! I hope some behind the scenes fighting is going on so Obama looks like the good guy when Joe goes down, but I don’t think this is happening. Damn!
Hey, I cannot take credit…This simply applying traditional elements of conflict mediation, conflict resolution, diplomacy and game theory… Sometimes all of these strategies overlap when one is working towards an outcome that is for a specific end result.
Obama set up the rules of the game during his campaign when he discussed “how” he would accomplish his policies. It was quite clear: scalpel and transparency with diplomacy as well. When you apply those to the current Joe Lieb situation, my assessment is a logical possibility. Obama would only be suggesting Joe keep his post if Joe was unwilling to take another, lesser post, which would have been the “win-win”. But Joe has made it clear “that” path is one he is not willing to walk. So, Joe upped the stakes and Obama is staying focused on his promise of scalpel, transparency and diplomacy. In Obama’s focus, he has moved from diplomacy to game theory. Thus, no matter what, Joe loses on Joe’s actions. Joe only has himself to blame in the end and Obama keeps the peace in both parties.
Even as I write this, Joe could “get” informed of Obama’s strategy and it would not matter. Joe walked away from a fair hand offer probably from Obama via Reid. No matter how this plays out, Lieb loses; however, he has a bit of a crack left open to lose gracefully.
Oh the love of poker and chess. Obama loves both and appears to be masterful.
Joe is the one making the zero sum choices, not Obama. But Obama will deliver a win-win for the President-US Citizens equation. That’s the strategy that matters in the end for Obama.
I haven’t read many of the comments but Jane keeps arguing that Lieberman has to go. Well…..Look, kids, Obama has said that he is going to be forgiving, going to reach out to people. I don’t like Lieberman. I think his behavior was just awful during the campaign. But, Obama says he wants Lieberman on our side of the isle. Shouldn’t we give that to him?????
JGug
NO!
Obama pushed his luck and almost blew the election with FISA.
We gave him that one
Lieberman’s OURS!
Wow, ok. So you are not disappointed at Obama’s change in tone since winning the election? All of a sudden things are not going to be happening as “quickly as he would like”. Maybe reality is starting to set in a little huh?
I bet he pulls a Clinton within the first year of office and backs down on almost everything he campaigned on. You’ll get a few bones tossed to you like funding of fetal tissue, and maybe abortion/gun rights legislation tossed in, but other than that he will flake even with the support of congress.
Also big payments are going to start being made. At the top, big finance, big tobacco, big auto. Thought Obama was against all this:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..w3IGUcTI5Q
It was sarcasm. Just look as some of the other responses, that we don’t really know yet, wait and see, etc.
Pach said if that wasn’t satire we’ve witnessed the death of a movement. I think we already have witnessed the death of the movement when everyone jumped on the Obama bandwagon in spite of his obvious signs of centrism. (excuse my language).
my two cents on petition:
“It was Joe Lieberman who made his choice in running as an independent and then supporting the GOP ticket, he made his bed let him lie in it. The Democrats do not owe him anything for kicking sand in their face. The important position of a committee chair should be held by a Democrat who has adhered to party principles and has fought for increasing the party’s majority in the Senate, not someone who worked against it.
Lisa Derrick up over at the Campaign Silo!
CMT’s Artistic Director Steps Down After Yes on 8 Donation Revealed
Obama is a man I will work for but he isn’t King and this issue is non-negotiable.
Joe has to go.
Let Obama answer the flip side to the LIEberman issue: is there not a more qualified deserving Democrat around for the Chairmanship? Why reward a skank while leaving a decent Democrat unrewarded.
Backbone? Reid is desperately trying to find someone to play the heavy.
Even if we got 60 seats, could Reid get 60 votes?
What price would D Senators pay if they helped Republican’s win filibuster fights? Would anyone believe ahead of time that Reid would make them pay any price. I bet the Republicans would be willing to pay big for a blue dog like that.