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	<title>Comments on: Why Employees Need Free Choice to Join Unions: Let&#8217;s Cut to the Chase</title>
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		<title>By: diogenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s how secret the “secret” ballot is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Assume there are 100 employees eligible to vote. 51 must vote yes to carry the issue, NOT the majority of the votes cast (imagine if we elected government officials that way!).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The vote is usually held on the work site. The company has months to tell workers to stay away from the voting site.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So how you vote is not so secret, is it? Showing up is considered a yes vote, staying away is a no vote.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus the company will break the law during the campaign. A judge found US Air’s acts way out of line in 1994. The results?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A measly fine and a revote one year later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s how secret the “secret” ballot is:</p>
<p>Assume there are 100 employees eligible to vote. 51 must vote yes to carry the issue, NOT the majority of the votes cast (imagine if we elected government officials that way!).</p>
<p>The vote is usually held on the work site. The company has months to tell workers to stay away from the voting site.</p>
<p>So how you vote is not so secret, is it? Showing up is considered a yes vote, staying away is a no vote.</p>
<p>Plus the company will break the law during the campaign. A judge found US Air’s acts way out of line in 1994. The results?</p>
<p>A measly fine and a revote one year later.</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The closing words of Redeker’s op-ed are revealing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Employers should be developing programs now that will be better than anything a union could provide, including steps to increase employee involvement and to allow peer resolution of disputes. Such programs will ensure that their employees will not be interested in joining a union.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Making nonunion workplaces better for employees could be the real unintended consequence of the Employee Free Choice Act.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Basically, as long as management can count on its ability to browbeat workers going into a union election, there’s no need to improve the workplace.  Screw labor, they can’t go anywhere else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At my university, our classified staff (secretarial, clerical and janitorial employees) organized about three years ago.  I was ashamed of the behavior of our administration.  The VP for Business affairs said he’d retire before he allowed a union on his campus.  So he refused to accept the card check, and demanded an election.  The Board of Regents backed him.  The administration browbeat classified staff and some faculty who supervised classified staff joined in.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the election was held and the votes counted in public, people applauded (politely) at each YES vote.  The VP for Business threatened to clear the room if people weren’t quiet.  The union carried 70% for, 30% against.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of classified staff I know are fairly content with the union.  The VP has retired, rather than deal with a union.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a small victory, but every one moves things forward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closing words of Redeker’s op-ed are revealing.</p>
<blockquote><p> Employers should be developing programs now that will be better than anything a union could provide, including steps to increase employee involvement and to allow peer resolution of disputes. Such programs will ensure that their employees will not be interested in joining a union.</p>
<p>Making nonunion workplaces better for employees could be the real unintended consequence of the Employee Free Choice Act.</p>
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<p>Basically, as long as management can count on its ability to browbeat workers going into a union election, there’s no need to improve the workplace.  Screw labor, they can’t go anywhere else.</p>
<p>At my university, our classified staff (secretarial, clerical and janitorial employees) organized about three years ago.  I was ashamed of the behavior of our administration.  The VP for Business affairs said he’d retire before he allowed a union on his campus.  So he refused to accept the card check, and demanded an election.  The Board of Regents backed him.  The administration browbeat classified staff and some faculty who supervised classified staff joined in.</p>
<p>When the election was held and the votes counted in public, people applauded (politely) at each YES vote.  The VP for Business threatened to clear the room if people weren’t quiet.  The union carried 70% for, 30% against.</p>
<p>Most of classified staff I know are fairly content with the union.  The VP has retired, rather than deal with a union.</p>
<p>It’s a small victory, but every one moves things forward.</p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
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		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/politics/Why_Employees_Need_EFCA_to_Join_Unions_Let_s_Get_Down_To_It&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dugg!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digg.com/politics/Why_Employees_Need_EFCA_to_Join_Unions_Let_s_Get_Down_To_It" rel="nofollow">Dugg!</a></p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
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		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dugg!&lt;br /&gt;
Joined&lt;br /&gt;
and I AM THERE!&lt;br /&gt;
i come from HUGE Union People!&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for this Michael.&lt;br /&gt;
I’m gonna pass it around now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugg!<br />
Joined<br />
and I AM THERE!<br />
i come from HUGE Union People!<br />
Thanks for this Michael.<br />
I’m gonna pass it around now.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;KO just inked a 4 year, $30M deal with M$NBC.  Hopefully, he’ll discuss things with Flat Earth Tom we’d never hear anywhere else.  KO ain’t Charlie Rose.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KO just inked a 4 year, $30M deal with M$NBC.  Hopefully, he’ll discuss things with Flat Earth Tom we’d never hear anywhere else.  KO ain’t Charlie Rose.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, I’m all for unions and it’s the problem with union leadership being in bed with management that pisses me off, regardless of what union it is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any worker can join the IWW, anytime.  Workers can join on their own and management can be presented with a &lt;em&gt;fait accompli&lt;/em&gt; if all or a majority of workers are already union members.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I’m all for unions and it’s the problem with union leadership being in bed with management that pisses me off, regardless of what union it is.</p>
<p>Any worker can join the IWW, anytime.  Workers can join on their own and management can be presented with a <em>fait accompli</em> if all or a majority of workers are already union members.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Whitney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMO any union’s a great union!  For full disclosure, I’m an online organizer with SEIU but can’t speak to your specific points here… I do want to acknowledge that while some people might have complaints about this or that organization, in the end, we are all working towards the end goal of respect and justice for working people, we just have different ways of getting there. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO any union’s a great union!  For full disclosure, I’m an online organizer with SEIU but can’t speak to your specific points here… I do want to acknowledge that while some people might have complaints about this or that organization, in the end, we are all working towards the end goal of respect and justice for working people, we just have different ways of getting there. :)</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT&lt;br /&gt;
KO show getting too big. Going downhill now, with Thomas Friedman (moderate command of the obvious guy) as a guest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT<br />
KO show getting too big. Going downhill now, with Thomas Friedman (moderate command of the obvious guy) as a guest.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s true too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here’s the problem. Without unions, workers have no power (unless unemployment is so low that corps are forced to bid workers away from each other, 4% or lower). With unions, workers may also have no power if union leaders are corrupt, a far too frequent event.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But unionization is a threshhold event. After that, you gotta deal with the leaders in all the difficult ways we try to deal with our corrupt, unresponsive political leaders.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s true too.</p>
<p>But here’s the problem. Without unions, workers have no power (unless unemployment is so low that corps are forced to bid workers away from each other, 4% or lower). With unions, workers may also have no power if union leaders are corrupt, a far too frequent event.</p>
<p>But unionization is a threshhold event. After that, you gotta deal with the leaders in all the difficult ways we try to deal with our corrupt, unresponsive political leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m a card carrying, dues paying member of the IWW.  IMO the leadership of the AFL-CIO and SEIU have sold out the workers in their unions.  When I worked at VA the shop steward for AFGE spent more time helping management screw the employees than anything else.  I don’t see much different happening with AFL-CIO and SEIU.  I found the SEIU efforts in Puerto Rico wrt teachers unacceptable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a card carrying, dues paying member of the IWW.  IMO the leadership of the AFL-CIO and SEIU have sold out the workers in their unions.  When I worked at VA the shop steward for AFGE spent more time helping management screw the employees than anything else.  I don’t see much different happening with AFL-CIO and SEIU.  I found the SEIU efforts in Puerto Rico wrt teachers unacceptable.</p>
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