Palin-Gingrich 2012!

I know somebody who doesn’t mind reminding them.

Evenin’ Eli.

I just hope the Rethugs stick with the game plan you outlined.

Damn!

It’s hard to imagine them doing anything other than what they’ve been doing for the last 40 years. And if they reform and go moderate, the Democrats might actually be able to work with them.

Discouraged by apparent postpartisanship. Rs got stuff done with 50% plus one vote. Ds seem to want to do only what the Rs will agree with, thereby pissing off base and convincing Rs that Ds are patsies.

Sorry, but this make nicey business seems foolish to me.

God, I hope so.

It kinda looked like they were looking for excuses to not get stuff done.

Also heard someone say (a D talking head iirc) that the problems create opportunities. Dya think? Hope so, but waiting to see.

Entombed with an ideology that has no vision, just rules.

I had a post about this at my own blog, actually.

Thanks. I agree.

In the good old days, I used to say to clients (institutional investors) that economics was not an experimental science. Boy, was that ever old fashioned. The Rs tried 6 ways from Sunday to prove that their nutty theories were right. Experimented with everyone’s economic well being, and we all lost. Now it’s time to go back to good old fashioned Keynesian solutions.

The Ds might still win because the Rs look like they are going out of their way to make themselves look stoopid. For example, they are billing the 95% of the people get a tax cut as a tax increase (on their base). I think Obama succeeded in making this transparent. So the worst thing that Rs can do is stand in the way of such a tax change. Keep your fingers crossed.

In that column Brooks tried to portray himself as a moderate conservative more moderate than even those he described as the Reformist, i.e. corporatist side of the Republican party. So naturally what he has to say needs to be taken with a few pounds of salt. Mostly I think he’s upset that the wingers don’t really have much interest in him which after all the water he has carried for them the last 8 years must hurt.

But as we just saw in the last thread the Democrats really aren’t setting themselves up to be a permanent majority party. They need the 50 state organization. They need to deliver to those groups that supported them and form their majority and they need to continue to do outreach to make sure they don’t latch on to a shrinking base. It’s early days but I haven’t seen much of this so far.

Trotsky, talking about economists and opportunies in Permanent Revolution (1931). Applies equally to politicians, imo.

It may be said that the first distinction between a revolutionist [love that word] and vulgar evolutionist lies in the capacity to recognize and exploit such moments.

I know he’s an unreliable wanker, but I think he’s correct that most of the power in the GOP is in the hands of the wingnuts, and they’re not going to change their ways.

The Rethugs will supply us with plenty of documentary evidence when we start to refer to them as “obstructionists” on the teebee every time they filibuster. When they filibuster make them stand up there and talk. None of this cloture shit.

And you do remember that the neocons started as Trotskytes?

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Was Filkins as naive as he appeared or was he dissing us?

And when Joe joins a Republican filibuster, I’d like someone to ask him to explain why he didn’t see fit to join the Democratic filibuster against Alito. I’m sure there’s a bunch of other filibusters he let them down on, but that’s the one that always jumps to mind.

I figured that out when I read “They Knew They Were Right” about the neocons. They have made sure they have strutures that insure their longevity. Family ties, think tanks, etc. The religious wingnuts obviously have their church sturcture. The corp ones do have their K Street lobbiests, but those will soon jump ship to the party in power (unfortunately for us). So the kooks are in charge of the asylum.

Here’s an idea from The General: Joe Lieberman for SUAC Chair

The corp ones do have their K Street lobbiests, but those will soon jump ship to the party in power (unfortunately for us).

This is far and away the greatest danger. The Democrats are corporate enough as it is.

Yeah, and they suffer from the same thing Trotsky suffered from: their solutions suck. Trotsky was a great polemicist and organizer. His analyses were good and if he hadn’t reorganized the Red Army the Whites would have taken control and restored the monarchy. But his solutions for the political economy and social structure really sucked.

Was Filkins as naive as he appeared or was he dissing us?

Both? I think he was looking for a highly limited exchange without serious questions or answers. Looking back on it, what bothered me so much was that he was trying to maintain that he had spent a long time in a brutal, senseless war and yet had no opinion about it. I didn’t know how to process that.

had spent a long time in a brutal, senseless war and yet had no opinion about i

Man, that jumped out at me. What’s that all about?

Yeah, Brooks has been seriously freaking me out lately, speaking more favorably of Obama and less so towards Rep.s than Shields

The mind reels. We’ll see how long it lasts!

That’s a good observation. Perhaps the generous observation was that he can’t cope with what he’s seen. He got pressed pretty hard on that.

But I was more referring to his superficial As to Qs that did not touch emotional buttons. For example, I asked him about Fallujah’s aftermath & he said he hadn’t kept track. WTF? I just can’t fathom that.

I asked about Pashtuns in Afg. and he said it’s too dangerous to report from there. Like there’s no other way to get answers to that burning Q. Something deeply wrong, but don’t know what it is.

Bobo’s whole schtick is reasonableness. He wants to be seen as reasonable rather than partisan, so now he’s all about how the Republicans have gone too far and it’s a brand new day.

Thanks Eli.

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Oh. Thomas Schaller. Whatever. He’s written off my state and everyone who votes in it. (My county went 57% for Obama…) Never mind… I guess we don’t need to vote any more… He also has screwed up the Salon “War Room” by hammering his personal beliefs. Screw him. /tantrum

I’m sorry I lost my temper, but he irritates me in ways I cannot describe in polite company.

Reasonable = access

Anomie is a bitch

Revolutionaries generally don’t make good consolidators. And consolidators don’t make good revolutionaries. This is what happened in the French, Russian, and Chinese revolutions. The Chinese Revolution may give some idea of what would have happened if Trotsky had won out. But it goes to show how idiosyncratic and atypical our own revolution was.

The way I look at it is not that the Democrats should write off the South, but that they don’t need to waste time pandering to the South’s worst elements.

One of the things that struck me about the red/blue map is that it’s still set up as union and confederate..including the inbetween ’swing states’.

i found that interesting.

but this time new states and new areas within the states went ‘union’. wonder if it’s permanent?

polite company

*looking all around, thinkin’ huh? who’s she talkin’ about*

Agreed.

I can see VA and NC turning blue.

Excellent way to express it. Plenty of fine folks in the south, and Ds convinced a lot of them in the 08 election. But there is more than the usual concentration of wingnuts, and it now looks like we won’t have to bother about them.

we won’t have to bother about them.

Never underestimate these people. Never.

I’m surrounded by them every day.

Many of the forces that dominate the weltanschaung of the south need to dispelled through exposure and ridicule or whatever it takes.

Thomas Schaller flat out said to me in a book discussion here that he was willing to write off the South because it didn’t matter to Democratic strategy. I brought up the 50 state strategy and he “pooh-poohed” the mere idea. He’s a putz who’s incapable of seeing that he might be wrong about anything. And as far as

waste time pandering to the South’s worst elements

I’m not sure what you mean.

Hey SD!
I forget whether you’re doing cable these days, but Paul Reikoff (sp?) just did a great job on Rachel. But, she has her show online the next day, I think.
I bet you’d appreciate it.

‘nother Brooks column? We talking another Brooks column here? I do not think it makes much sense, as usual for me. I guess I will need help from commmenters here to figure it out. I may be missing something.

What he calls the traditionalists are…. what? Did he concoct some stew of Gingrich/Kemp style extremist free enterprise libertarians, and social conservatives, and warmonger neocons and call them ‘traditionalists’? One part of that could be called traditionalist if you are willing to credit intolerant and bogus social conservative ‘old timey’ morality and heretic Christianity as traditionalist (I am not willing to do that).

Where they really an independent wing of the party that can cover all the policy bases so that it looks they have a comprehenseive philosophy? Aren’t they really just a giant, semi-volunteer GOTV operation hired by the corporate money every two years and then thrown away?

And who exactly are the reformers? What viable politicians, as opposed to hot air artist pundits, is Brooks thinking about? Noonen going to run for something? Can a reformer be half insane like Noonen? Hagel or Lugar, or (discounting his weasel factor) Arnold a reformer? Could that group get enough moderate votes? Could Hagel be a moderate? Or is Brooks talking Romney here. Romney is a reformer??

Where are the viable new candidates? I doubt I would ever vote for some of the ethical, competent non-reactionary Republicans who were fired in the US Attorney scandal (’cause they are still too conservatie for me), but seems to me that a three or four potential GOP reformers were destroyed, or at least set-back big time right there.

The only part of Brooks column I found convincing was the title (Darkness at Dusk). I hope it is correct.

I notice they are so desperate now that they shamelessly flack themselves out in the open. Brooks announces that he will be a leading reformer on the moderate wing. Well, gee Dave, thanks for giving me the heads up.

My partisan Democratic side hopes that is true -I want them to have the helpful insight of a Brooks. But for long term health of US politics, I hope Brooks is wrong there.

I know. I think for most of us here we try to build up our knowledge and expand our understanding. With Filkins, it all seemed to be about whatever the story happened to be at the time without follow up on or integration of his various experiences. That’s why I said he reminded me of Woodward because he seemed to report the story without ever putting it in the bigger picture.

I mean the people who respond to race-baiting and who would never vote for a librul in a million years. It’s not everyone in the South, but there’s an awful lot of them.

Do you REALLY believe that those folks only live in the south? PUHLEEEEZE…

yep, that’s what i mean, little pockets of ohio went blue that i NEVER thought would……..people really DID come out and vote and it ends up they were there all the time…little blue people.

then, i also know of many who didn’t vote for president, or third party voters, or republicans who didn’t vote for anyone, so, i wonder what the colors on the map really would be?

just find it fascinating.

Intellectual & emotional constipation? Woodward too? Fit into a straightjacket by corporate, political, emotional, other constraints, and can’t shit it out no matter how hard they try?

Interestingly, their actual experiences (as opposed to ours from outside) allow us to learn a lot from them. Still seems like a tragedy that they are there and take so little away.

it repeats. tonight.

Buffalo, NY was fighting school desegregation in 1981 for gawd’s sake…

The Traditionalists are misnamed, but pretty aptly identified, I think. It’s the insane crazy base Limbaugh wing of the party, the part that has cheerleaded all of BushCo’s worst impulses and opposed their few semi-positive ones (i.e., immigration reform).

The Reformists are all the people who are trying to position themselves as Reasonable Moderates. Like, y’know, Brooks. A lot of them are “Traditionalists” in sheep’s clothing, and the rest have no shot in hell.

You are absolutely right but it is a matter of numbers.

To paraphrase myself, racists are not unique to the south, they are just heavily concentrated their. (Original is: hypocrisy is not unique to religion & democracy, just heavily concentrated there.)

Online the next day? That’s far out. Nah, cable and me parted ways many moons ago. Waste o’ money far as I’m concerned. I’ve got books to read, my boss’s son (kick butt C++ programmer heads a team at some firm in NJ) sparked my interest in C# so I’m teaching myself that. Oh, and solving the country’s problems at FDL.

Of course not, and there are hopelessly deep red districts in almost every state. But there’s a lot more in the South.

Please see my #50. What are the voting patterns there?

I really like your “little blue people” – may they multiply and prosper. :)

That’s what I thought, but I’d just love for you to see the portion of her show.
Look for her on the internet during the 5 minutes you aren’t saving the world or turning women’s heads. Ha. All the girls love the Dragon.

So why is the South a Republican stronghold year after year, and New York… isn’t? You really don’t think there’s *any* difference?

I never knew that! And here I thought my cousins in Louisiana were late in having desegregated schools in the late 60s.

Brooks always very vague, so it is hard to figure out what he is saying, or if there is enought there to attach a truth value to it. I think his real ideological leaning is keep David Brooks employed at schmoozing and writing piffle.

Thanks for trying to help, but I cannot make sense of his GOP taxonomy.

I appreciated your ‘interchange’ with Filkins, Hugh, but feel that irony (if not a willing consideration of ‘moral perspective’, generally) is totally lost on the man, unfortunately …

In 1981 Buffalo was 20 years into an economic decline that is not likely to end in our lifetime.

I graduated from a 2000 student body public HS there in 1962. It was 1/4 Jewish, 1/4 black, and 1/2 the motley mix of humanity (percentages illustrative, not accurate). Of course, we largely self-segregated, but we loved each other. Jewish cheerleaders for black atheletes, for example.

I graduated in about the economic peak of that industrial city. The population have about dropped in half since then. When the economy shrinks, divisions get more divisive as people scratch each others eyes out to try to maintain as much as possible from a shrinking pie.

The last I visited my HS, about 95, it was a shadow of its former self. Broke my heart. It was the only school I ever attended that I liked.

There’s a far right wing and a moderate wing of the GOP. What you call them doesn’t really make that much difference, they’re going to go to war. And the far right wing has all the big guns (and a lot of experience at fighting dirty).

palin part 2 on fox right now

Exactly. Don’t assume they can’t hurt you because they will.

I’ve wondered if Woodward’s strength is in the cataloging of minutiae. In his partnership with Carl Bernstein, I suspect Bernstein provided the larger context for the information they had gathered. I might be mistaken.

SD – oops, sorry. Rachel just said it’s on a podcast. :(

It pisses me off to sit here in a county that went 57% for Obama and to hear “wise men” write my state off. If this county votes Democratic let’s at least TRY to spread that out into neighboring counties, and then into the entire state. Or should I just not bother to vote at all any more?

Do liveblog it. Am allergic to Faux, but don’t scratch or sneeze if I have second hand contact.

rofl
this whole campaign i kept thinking of the smurfs……i really did.

and all of the smurf ideology myths…..

liberals, the little blue people.

Under 44 seems to hate the GOP guts. That is good.
Takes about 20 years to forget awful of a big war or a failed war.

The voodoo economics might bounce back. Falsifiable statements are so rare in economics that all you have to do is get a few plausible excuses out there, and any body can set themselves back up in business, even the ultra-free market magic thinkers. If Obama and Democrats do not do a good job, I think that is the biggest worry for a quick comeback of the crazy GOP.

All GOP is crazy these days, but I am hypothesing the possible future existence of a non-crazy GOP that is sane and moderate. Note that sane and moderate does not seem to be what Brooks is talking about with reformer. Sane and moderate GOPers would be abandoners, or start-from-scratchers.

In near future I think resurrecting Eisenhower, Vandenburg, Rockafeller, Earl Warren, Ford, from the grave would be more likely.

Ohhhh, I just watched part of yesterday’s Obama at the WH segment. Me likey.

I can go along with that. Even if Democrats don’t need the South for a majority in Congress and the Electoral College, I still want them to compete there to pad their lead.

Heh. Whine whine whine. Do you think my NYS vote counts?

If you’re so upset, go for direct election of prez and screw the electoral college.

That being said, however, I would prefer to see them compete there on their own terms – i.e., fewer Harold Fords and Heath Shulers.

Please inform Mr. Schaller of that idea.

My alarm clock howls at 5:30, so I’m going to sign off. Thanks for being so patient with my tantrums!

I think we are looking at urban – rural; opportunities; exposure; and type of religious dominance/influence.

The voodoo economics might bounce back. Falsifiable statements are so rare in economics that all you have to do is get a few plausible excuses out there, and any body can set themselves back up in business, even the ultra-free market magic thinkers.

I think that isn’t true. I think it’s testimony to R propaganda wing and D too-dumb-to-live wing combined. Evidence is pretty conclusive. Just need Ds to say it like it is.

Good evening everyone…… forgive me Eli for disrupting your thread…..

I received the results from my follow up from my kidney cancer surgery last year and it not good… the cancer has metastasized to my lungs, 4 nodules…… I am going to be admitted on Monday to start Immunotherapy with Interlukin…… I will be in the Telemetry unit because this is a pretty bad ass drug…….

The doc says there is wireless internet in the Tele unit so who knows……

ph, you want to watch, greta is trying to get the ‘inside stuff’ pretty good telly.

well, she’s still inn a black ’suit’ cooking dinner from scratch as we all do, popped in weenies with velveeta doncha know, on a cookie sheet you betcha.

using her hands to illustrate and juggle imaginary points that she forgot which one she was making….you know, the kind of body language that appears strong but is meant to distract from what someone is saying?????”yeah you just gotta go with the same politics as usual kinda thing”…..

If in two to three years Dems are viewed by the electorate as having been effective, they won’t have any trouble expanding their majority in all parts of the country. If not, the pendulum could swing back pretty quickly.

Thanks, I wasn’t sure if what I was doing was seen as a positive or negative.

Eli, I think the fundies are a third group. The right wingers are the preachers, who have the money and the power and the fundies are the ones who are lead (or mislead) by the right wing. The fundies are under-informed and are told every day that they are downtrodden and reviled because of their religion and that they must fight harder and give more money. They are the boots on the ground for the Rs – who hate them.

Gnite Marion.

I think that big about the existence of moderate GOPers is where I get lost. Who are they? And I mean actual moderate leaders in GOP that could actually run for hightly visible national office in next ten years?

Hagel is only moderate in his sane and competent view of war and foreign affairs. Arnold, Romney are not real moderates in my eyes because their weasel factor is too high. Romney’s is off the scale. Arnold has only moderated himself because the political strategy he bought from the CA GOP blew up in his face like a TNT cigar. (what a surprise that was! Couldn’t see THAT coming.)

I think Powell is dead to the party, even if he wanted to run. The iron door has closed! As I said the future moderate wing of the party has been purged (US Attorney scandals).

So, I see no real moderates left standing.

Yeah..but after being reasonable he always tacks back to the Republican camp, so I’m just waiting for the other shoe to fall.

Ohcrap, katy, that’s awful. I am so sorry to hear that.

(((katymine))) You are and will be in my heart.

I agree with you on that. What you said! that is what I was trying to say.

Oh katymine, I’m so sorry to hear that. Undergo your treatment, and keep in touch as much as possible. My thoughts & hopes are with you.

((((((katymine))))))

Absolutely, that’s the pattern. Establish what a reasonable guy he is, and then use that credibility to pretend to be objective when he bashes Democrats and/or excuses Republicans.

Witness Darrell Issa in CA-49. I’d move if not for the climate and family…

((katymine))
Girlfriend! I’ll hold your hand anytime you want.

If this county votes Democratic let’s at least TRY to spread that out into neighboring counties, and then into the entire state.

I don’t know about the whole state thing but the county electoral maps for Virginia and North Carolina showed a switch to Democrats in newer mor urban areas like Northern Virginia and the reesearch triangle of North Carolina.

Katymine, I’m pulling for you. We’ll keep you occupied while you’re in the hospital. ((katymine))

going ga ga over her loop-loom pot holder……you know, the kind of kit that we all got that was meant to keep us busy so we wouldn’t bug our moms?

taught both of my friend’s daughters how-to.

blog–

i’m treated a little differently, i don’ tcomplain about it, etc……hey, if i can be an example for young girls, a little extra hurdle, deal with the reality of double standards…….(blech)…….let’s not complain about it, work a little harder…..now brings in the ‘kid’ she’s a fun kid……(always prefaces with well i don’t, but…)

hillary, lot of respect for what she has accomplished……glass ceiling still there, she cracked it a lot…..disagree on policies she would have adopted, — la la all of theese years–slam at her age……

i have it easier becaue of todd, domestic stuff…he takes over……cuz i’m a princess……

ok, done for now….

up next, katie’s comments about what sarah reads

and todd and the snow machine.

(ok done for now)……

Absolutely. Obama and the Democrats need to show some kind of positive progress by the 2010 elections, or else the Republican obstruction has to be really obvious. Once their congressional majority starts eroding, it’ll get harder and harder to get anything done.

You’re right. For years I’ve been amazed that the GOP and religious leaders have been able to convince so many people that Christians are a persecuted in this country.

(((((Katymine)))))

Love and hugs for you my dear.

I think the fundies are probably a subset of Bobo’s “Traditionalists” – their absolutism is just more specific to social issues like gay marriage and abortion. They’re sure as hell not pulling to make the GOP more reasonable and inclusive.

Yeah. Reich is trying to get the message out.

I have a very fond spot in my heart for him. In September 92, I was tasked with writing about Clinton’s econ policy. Didn’t get it from the campaign literature, but read his Work of Nations ( http://www.amazon.com/Work-Nat…..038;sr=1-5 ). As a result of the report I wrote based upon his book, I got a slot on Charlie
Rose.

Elmore is here and he blew off Buffalo MNF to be with me……. Thanks for the offer

funny thing…… he missed the Buffalo game last year with my surgery……..

My best thoughts for you, katymine.

I just assumed it was because the Jews and the gays control everything…

Love you, katymine. So sorry to hear this news. Lucky for me I got to meet you in Chicago. Big Hugs!

And tears.

Hmm, let’s see:

Cut government – not gonna happen. Government may be twisted in the direction of more weapons and more pork, but Republicans will never shrink it.
cut taxes – and drive the deficit still higher. Gee, thanks! [/snark]
restrict immigration – yeah, okay, I can see them doing this, ’specially as all them meskins will vote Democrat anyways
Rally behind Sarah Palin – yee-hah to that one! I would love to se Palin become the face of the Republican Party!

Not to mention the gay Jews… Oy!

((((katymine)))

Nite Marion. Do not despair. All we can do is to stand up and do our best to promote that which we perceive to be right. My experiences in SD were far worse than those in the south. In 2001 the civil rights commission came and released a study/survey. The findings were that in the preceding twenty years things had not changed at all with regard to the prejudices against native americans. It is a very red state but Tim Johnson was reelected. I had worked very closely with Sen Daschle’s office for several years and was very dissappointed to see him lose but we can’t give up.

the best part of this interview that has me rolling on the floor, is that they keep panning to what she is messing with with her hands,

HOt DOGS

really……prime time porn……..

omg.

she’s still making dinner, this is great……

here’s last night’s and the link for all of the interviews and transcripts.
another thing cracking me up is they say what high ratings! uh, yeah, we’re all watching her for entertainment.
the looks on greta’s face are more frozen than usual…transfixed or dismayed? dunno.

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Oh yeah. If I were gay, I’d be, like, King or something.

Yes a I agree. In CA for example you have to go back 40 years or so for a real moderate GOPer. Goodwin Knight, governer and CA politico bigshot was the last real moderate with even a ounce of progressivism.

Since then for GOP governor we have had honest reactionaries (Deukmejian), and weasels and con-men of various types, who knew the voters would reject their real agenda, and who therefore used lies and misdirection to gain office.

I am so sorry you have to go through this, katymine. Sending good thoughts your way.

((Katymine)) Hang in there. We will be cheering you on all the way. So sorry you have to go through this. Thoughts and hearts with you.

((((((((((((katymine))))))))))))

The man is going without seeing the game for you? That’s love.

Well you’ve got two hands. Elmore can hold you on one side, and the rest of us will hold you on the other side.
Big long hug.

We could be Heroes.

Well, that is soooo passe. That was before the Rs figured out that poor blacks crashed the entire economic system of the U.S. (Fannie, Freddie, in case you need a reminder.)

Reich is the best economic adviser I have seen with Obama so far.

The “cut taxes” part of the Republican platform is slippery. They’ve really never gotten away from that – the problem is that they haven’t been cutting taxes for, say, 98-99% of the electorate.

Which is why it’s going to be real hard for them to use that “Democrats will raise your taxes!” scare tactic if Obama and the Democratic Congress *lower* taxes for everyone under $200k.

It’ll be even more interesting if the Republicans try to stop them from doing so.

(((Katymine)))

((((katymine)))) You shall overcome

The subject of how the goopers will escape their current position and return to power is the same subject the dems were supposed to deal with after the Bush batterings….I can’t see that they ever did….Probably the goopers will thrash around a bit and not make many changes either….particularly not at the policy level…

You are your constituents- and the gooper constituants are crystal clear.

Greta has a serious face-lift problem. Hope she got a lot of money for it.

Yeah, that’s true! “Raising (or lowering) taxes” depends very heavily on what your income already is.

“Ripped from the headlines.” L&O episode tonight has a bunch of teens who get pregnant from a schizophreniac boy.

“What’s the problem? That V.P. lady’s daughter did it.”

I always want to put him on my lap for a chat. :)

At least has his head screwed on straight.

Hope she has children, because she gives truth to the mother who has eyes in the back of her head.

Obama beat the goopers at their own “cut taxes” game—so what happens next? Competing tax cutting plans in every election?

Used to be that the goopers won office by promising to roll back the 3% marginal tax increases the dems had just declared—setting up the dems to attack on “tax cuts for the rich”….Obama decided not to play ball.

I just assumed it was because the Jews and the gays control everything…

no, the Mormons do…

ratfood said: Not to mention the gay Jews… Oy!
then they would be trying to control what you do on Earth and where your soul goes after you die…according to them.

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1664

(probably not supposed to do this, but i would link it even if it was someone else’s diary, really)

Katymine, so sorry. Hope your treatment goes well.

Unless the criminals in the Republicon party are held accountable for their countless crimes against the Constitution and the American people they will be back more cynical, manipulative, duplicitous and ultimately evil than ever. Rove is still walking the streets. Tucker Eskew hasn’t gone anywhere. Never underestimate these vampires. Until a stake is driven into the heart of the fetid corpse of the Republicon party they will be back to feast on the life blood of the American people.

No my dear…. he works for ESPN and is the tech guy for Monday Night Football…… so as a contract worker he is giving up work…… pay…..

Yeah, I’m not so sure it’s great economics/budgeting, but it sure is great politics.

think it was way more than that…..she left court tv looking one way years ago, then later i saw her and said, she looks familiar, omg what happened to her?

i told one of my friends i can’t imagine what it is like to look in the mirror and no longer see yourself in it.

Obama and his surrogates did a pretty good job of knocking the props out from under McCain’s “tax and spend liberal” attacks. Of course it was a harder sell this time with Republicans having been in power the past 8 years and spending like crazy the whole time.

Prayers, good thoughts, and warm wishes be with you, Katymine.

Unfortunately, the Democrats have shown very little stomach for this approach – they would rather let the rule of law slide than be accused of partisan witch hunts.

Good luck kaymine. My thoughts are with you.

OMG!!!

scared the animals with my outburst!!!!!

That’s what I think, but Cass Sunstein (Obama BFF) sez let’s not criminalize political diffs. And he’s supposedly a behavioralist, i.e., someone who is supposed to be alert to the fact that signals from rewards/punishments condition what people will do in the future. Spit.

new post

So next week I want everyone to do a group visualization……. “shrinking” katymine’s tumors……… every 8 hrs they will give me the drug…… imagining the lung nodules are shrinking……. getting smaller…… smaller….. poof…..

So that is all I am asking from my BFF in the world …… FDL….

What’s more than a bad lift?
What do you think happened to her?

Isn’t that one of the most important reason to prosecute crimes, so that others know that they can’t get away with them? Jebus.

There is nothing more toxic to democracy than a culture of impunity, and that’s exactly what we’ve had for the last eight years.

and that’s why the Republicons will rise from the grave to wreak havoc on the nation and it’s people once again. Obama ran a brilliant campaign but to now think he can extend his hand in the spirit of bipartanship will only result in him losing his hand.

You mean they don’t? Damn.

I agree, don’t criminalize political diffs, although politicizing (and subsequently declining to prosecute) criminal behavior is probably worse.

No need to wait until next week, starting now…

Hell, it’s not even a done deal that Lieberman will lose his gavel after actively campaigning for Republicans.

This goes back to Watergate and Iran Contra, 30+ years.

She used to be on CNN and sold out for FOX. Sad.

Great idea! Me too.

In the early 70’s I worked with an excellent plastic surgeon who did a lot of the Hollywood stars and that “startled” too tight look is a very bad facelift

It has more to do with protecting the ruling elites than in upholding the rule of law and the interests of the “people.”

YES. Will do.

Well, except during the Clinton years, when wrongdoing wasn’t even a prerequisite for prosecution.

Yeah, you know the plastic surgeon who did the facelift pulled a little too hard when the recipient ends up having to stand on their head to pee.

Boo for that. I’ll just keep what I’ve got.
She’s not that old, is she?

crap, i forgot to say, one of my friends (he’s a fact nut, too) told me tonight that a losing vice-president has never come back to be elected president. ever.

i havne’t had time to look it up, (he knows i like independent confirmation, he couldn’t remember where he read it) a friend stopped by with her kids and just left before i came on here…..

i said that might make me feel a little better about her being marked in history for being the first woman gop nominee for vp…..

on the other hand, just occurred to me, it’s funny that the gop forever in history will have to own that sarah, the caribou barbie, was their first female nominee for vp.

i feel better in all kinds of ways.

Main difference being that Democratic members of the ruling elite view their Republican counterparts as “colleagues”, while the Republican members view their Democratic counterparts as “mortal enemies who must be destroyed by any means available.”

Thank God they’ll be losing the DOJ.

Did you see the before pictures, Some things are just impossible

Agreed!

already have been.

big hug.

And gains a goatee.

lol!

There’s a very good plastic surgeon here who did work on some Hollywood stars.

google images page
greta van susteren
i spent a few nights trying to figure it out long time ago, cuz i was so shocked by it… seems more than a facelift to me cuz it was done when she was still pretty young, why get a facelift when you’re still young? to be a teenager? don’t know enough about it to know what all, dunno.
http://images.google.com/image…..038;tab=wi

yep

This is my favorite.

I will visualize!

Jeez, katymine
love and peace

8 years of Reagan killed us. And then he had 8 more years at the national level to ensure CA would lose it’s golden sheen. Add Dukemejian to that mix, and we’ve covered a generation or two of times that destroyed CA.

Pre Reagan, we had the best school system in the world, K-University, and it was all affordable.
We had jobs. Affordable housing, and potential to raise the standard across the nation for a good life.

Reagan, Nixon and Dukemejian tore it all down . . . (Nixon from his Senate seat and from the Presidency).

reminded me of golfers i know..

this is pretty funny, a cartoon.
http://images.google.com/imgre…..l%26sa%3DN

Beautiful.

Throwing all my best thoughts out now and then for Katy . . . you fight girl, you fight. Yer backup team is fierce, too. They’re fighting, too.

here–people magazine covered it
why i had my plastic surgery

http://images.google.com/imgre…..l%26sa%3DN

hey larue–left you something in the late late thread……

olllllld john hartford/johnny cash doing bill monroe medley.

thanks eli and pups

katymine–just do the best you can do with the weapons you have, rest, sleep when you can sleep no matter what time of day it is-your body heals best when you are sleeping, eat well in a way that will boost your immune system.

let people love and help you.

talk about your fears to ease them. talk about your strengths to increase them.

huge hug.

If a party is left to exercise power too long, the ideas that carried it into power get exaggerated beyond the point of no return. The politicians implementing said ideas become jaded, arrogant and corrupt. When Reagan came into power, it was for good cause. Some of the same forces are in play now. The Republicans are living a few decades in the past, are unwilling to see today’s needs.

Obama has an opportunity to turn the country around, as did FDR, as did Reagan. I wish him well. I have faith that a new birth of freedom comes along every once in a while, and this is potentially one such time.

But Obama’s heirs too will grow arrogant and corrupt. They will become as attached to an old time and tired ideas as their predecessors. A new and vibrant opposition will arise. That too is ever so American.

I just can’t conceive at the moment why this hypothetical new and vibrant opposition would want to call themselves Republicans.

I’ll go fetch, and you are TOO kind for such a gift!! *G*

Thanks!

But Obama’s heirs too will grow arrogant and corrupt. They will become as attached to an old time and tired ideas as their predecessors. A new and vibrant opposition will arise. That too is ever so American.

I am dreading that day. I’m hoping that the blogosphere can and will keep them honest, but I don’t know if we’ll ever carry enough weight. I also worry that we’ll fall into the trap of excusing everything the Democrats do just because we’re on the same team.

teddy thread up

Um, dmac, can you post the linky? I’m not sure whether you mean last nights (lot to wade thru) Late Late Night or tonight’s upcoming which hasn’t been posted yet? Thanks . . . .

Late to the party as usual, but Palin’s showing us she’s not going anywhere.

Anyone with a shred of common sense would pull back from the limelight, get her kids reoriented into school, and go back to her day job for awhile.

But did you notice the footage of her showing up for her first day back in the office? She looked like it was the last place on earth she wanted to be.

Let’s see…. Miami or Anchorage in November? Bet she’ll be at the Rethug Govs meeting from beginning to end, stopping in front of every camera she can find.

Get used to saying ‘Sen. Palin’.

Marion,

You do night time. Who knew!