The reality is grimmer than this. At the same time Americans are congratulating themselves for electing an African-American as President, African-American unemployment stands at 11%. Barack Obama has moved upstairs to the White House, but the downstairs of the American economy is still unequally packed with those who have been afflicted with slavery, and then segregation.
One of the single most effective steps in changing the American economy would be a shift of the health care system to one is nationalized. The half-way house of mandates is already being rejected where it is tried. Even doctor’s, long the opponents of a shift in how medicine is paid for, are slowly coming to accept that the insurance companies are not their friends.
People think in terms of cuts, that is, they look at their own personal budgets and cut spending when in trouble, but to think like an economist, Stiglitz tells us, is to think in terms of trade-offs. Not "cut" defense spending, but move effort from making the F-22 fighter, to something else. The easier the shift, the faster we see the benefits of making the shift, and the less it costs. The reality of health care is that the current system puts about 5% of GDP in the hands of insurance companies to invest, as well as degrading care. The US spends about 16% of GDP on health care, while Germany spends approximately 11%. That is we could have a universal medical system, that we’d like more, and have 5% of GDP that would be spent on almost anything else, since currently it is going to administration, which produces no value, or to investments which are governed by the needs of matching payouts to health coverage costs, rather than being the most efficient use of the investment money. There’s no need for death by spreadsheet.
What joins the inequality of employment, and the need for a universal medical system? I think we all know that: the rate of being uninsured for non-Hispanic whites peaked in 2006 at 10.8% – and for African Americans at 20.5%. The change since then isn’t from an increase in private coverage, but expansion of Medicare, Medicaid, and military coverage. The fear that has been the core of almost every drive to stop the universalization of medicine, has been the fear that the flood of uninsured would lower care quality and increase wait times. The reverse is the case, the shifting of effort from actual health care delivery, to health care denial, means that we do not have as many doctors, nurses, technologists, machines. More demand for equipment would lower the cost by economies of scale, more people to run that equipment would increase access. Fewer people answering phones to tell you why you can’t have coverage, and more people answering alerts in hospitals. Fewer quants investing premiums, more people to search for ways of improving outcomes. Fewer lifestyle drugs, more drugs that save lives.
It also addresses one of the urgent economic crisis points: legacy costs in the auto industry, which Obama is promising to help. If the auto executives can get bailed out, and the insurance companies can get bailed out, then why, exactly, is it economically impossible to address one of the obvious inefficiencies in the American economy, one that costs us more than oil imports?
A universal medical system delivers, and delivers far more than pouring concrete, which is so uncontroversial that it isn’t being argued over. It shifts economic activity to more efficient investment, it provides better employment, it unburdens manufacturing, it reduces uncertainty among consumers, it levels out economic inequality, it eases the pressure caused by bankruptcies. The only thing that it has against it, is a white elephant of interest groups. This election we voted to get elephants off our back, the costs associated with financialized health care versus universal health care, is one of the largest ones.
There is a bill, Medicare for All, and a host of organizations fighting to pass it.
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- Didn’t We Just Have a National Referendum on Obama’s Health Care Plan Last November?
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H.R. 676!
Seems to me that the issues about health care are:
1) covering the poor (medicaid does some of this)
2) lowering costs (complicated issue but lots of ideas about how to do it)
3) ensuring availability to all
Need to make it impossible for insurance companies to reject coverage for preexisting conditions or to discriminate on premiums because of them…
Single provider does all three- but I’m open to all ideas as long as the three get addressed…I’d start with number three.
Essentially all aspects of healthcare need to be reformed but as I have been saying for a while now universal healthcare is something that could be done even in a time of recession and budget cuts because it would actually save money.
it’s not.
everyone here already knows the answer, but i wanted an excuse to link to chris floyd’s excellent post once again – The money was there all along.
thank you jacqrat!
it is such a shame that HCAN is undermining all the work being done to push single payer in general and the4 coyners bill in particular by groups like physicians for a national health program (pnhp) and healthcare-now (hcn) (even going so far as to take a name that sounds like hcn’s). here is a recent print advertisement i like.
Preach it brother Newberry
Universal healthcare as an absolute right, negotiating the lowest possible price from drug companies (whose r&d is actually heavily subsidized by the feds already), and tough negotiations with healthcare providers to hold down costs. The insurance companies can kiss my hairy white ass and I will not cry a single tear for the drug company execs or anyone else in the healthcare system making a six figure income.
Universal Health care should be a right not something that breaks individuals budgets! cut out the middle men and the cost saving would be enormous. Just think with a completely computerized medical records of everyone and the use of everyone’s genome information Medicine could truly help everyone. through true preventavie medicine. Cut out the FOR PROFIT in health care and suddenly universal health care becomes very viable and at lower costs.
The big question is will we be able to cut out the insurance companies who make billions denying care now, you know they will be kicking and screaming the whole way! But it has to be done or health care will be only for the rich as the price for health skyrockets!
but they have lines and I know Germans who came here to get flu shots because they can’t get them in germany. really. and if ya want yer gall bladder out in Germany you have to wait three years an’ if ya get an MRI in Germany ya inta the thing but they don’t take ya out for 6 days because they don’t have enough mri techs and they’re each responsible for 379 machines. america has the best health care system in the world. Rudy Giuliani had prostate cancer an’ if he hadda get treatment in some socialist place, he’d be dead.
really.
Why don’t we frame it as a moral issue? It is immoral to deny anyone healthcare. It is immoral to profit from the suffering of others or to compound that suffering. (I actually believe that BTW). It would be a nice smack back at the imbeciles of the right who want to frame everything else in moral terms. (I realize there are dangers to this approach for exactly that reason, but still).
The German health care system has the reputation of being one of the best in the world. There is an extensive network of hospitals and doctors covering even the remotest areas of Germany.
Waiting lists for treatments are rare. Medical facilities are equipped with the latest technology and the statutory health insurance scheme provides nearly full cover for most medical treatments and medicines. Almost everybody in Germany has access to this system, irrespective of income or social status.
The downside is that medical costs are high. Health care costs – for doctors, hospital stays and even medicines – are among the most expensive in the world. There is no such thing as “free” treatment in Germany, not even in state hospitals. All care, including emergencies, has to be paid for by you or your health insurance!
When coming to Germany, it is therefore extremely important to have a full health care insurance, as a serious illness could cause a financial disaster. In most cases, you will even be obliged to prove you have adequate cover. See our section on health insurance for details.
In addition to Mr. Newberry’s accurate observations, universal health care could be sold as a way to increase labor mobility and utility. Workers will be much more willing to take a chance on a small or medium sized firm if they know that they can retain their health care coverage for their family. That alone would help as the economy moves through this phase of creative destruction so beloved by the conservatives. Now, if the government would also get creative in terms of helping individuals actually move to those locations where jobs will be created, it might help grease the whole process. If the government helped corporations to make money by moving whole factories, why can’t it help individuals move whole families?
i think my head is gonna explode anytime i hear a R complain about how expanding health care and christ forbid universal healthcare and holy shit!! single payer health care will put a bureaucrat between you and your doctor. do these people all pay cash? have they never dealt with an insurance company?
Thanks Stirling.
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For mental health in straight Medicare there is already a system in place that allows easy access to providers.
The current system of insurance companies is crazy. It actually makes for a revolving door as patients end up having to change providers. This is not good for treatment of any type. Doctors want long term relationships with their patients – just as much as patients want to be able to stay with one doctor, not having to keep changing doctors as their employer changes insurance.
So I’m all for a single payer system – and a nationalized system.
What I find fascinating is that this recession has led to fewer operations and hospitalizations, as even those with health care are afraid to use it, for fear of losing time at work and thus losing their jobs!
Also, it would benefit Vets, who could get treatment near home instead of having to travel to a VA or even to prove that their problems are service-related.
Imagine this scenario. People are sick or injured and they can go almost anywhere for medical care, no matter their job or joblessness.
Health care is considered a “right” in the universal declaration of human rights. The best way to prove it’s a right is to have it available without needing to jump the hoop of getting insurance first. You’re born… you get health care from birth… till death. As human right!
Right. That is why their life expectancy is longer and their infant mortality rate is about 80% of ours.
As is mentioned in the post one of the claims always made by the insurance industry is that it would cause one to have to wait for care. My daughter had thyroid cancer, had surgery and therapy. They have the much ballyhood fed. insurance plan. A year after her recovery she developed some lumps and the doctors wanted to perform some tests. It took several months to get approval from the insurance company. My question is what is a person doing during the time between when a doctor wants to do something and the insurance company gives its OK.
I find it telling that Paul Krugman and David Cay Johnston, who of all the NYT’s writers are the best-equipped to write about economic matters, are foursquare with Stirling on this.
All too often the answer is that they die. Our privatized healthcare system (like capitalism itself) is inherently immoral.
sorry to hear about your daughter’s cancer, the idea that she has to wait months for testing is just shocking.
Rich people avail themselves of a different, top-layer system of healthcare with concierges, full-room-service hospital suites, and no-telephone-trees. There is an entirely different health care system atop our broken one, and it is expanding very fast as the rich get richer, and older.
When you hear people say the US has the best health care system in the world, they are referring to their own experience in the special, topline health care system, or else they are lifetime members of the federal healthcare system, like McCain.
As someone who worked in the belly of the beast for 11 years…..yes I was a nurse who worked for health insurance companies…… BUT I never denied services….. as a case manager I tried to help members get services…… but what I saw over the years is a big change from helping members to denying members……and I left.
One big reason for high cost of health care is the cost shifting that is going on. Hospitals are the big one…… Medicare & Medicaid do not pay the full cost of care for their members and those costs are shifted to commercial insurance rates and in the end it is all shifted to the uninsured…….
As an example…… My 7 days inpatient stay last year was billed to me at $52,000+ and the insurance negotiated rate payment was $13,000+ …… BUT if I didn’t have insurance then I would owe the whole $52K…
Overheard in the ER……social worker to patient …..”you are going to have to leave because if you stay it is going to cost you a boat load of money”….. F*nk A…… a social worker……. not helping the patient but the facility….. made me sick……
The founders said that “All men are created equal” To follow the rethugs as soon as daddy climbs off of mommy equality ceases.
For most American we have the worst healthcare system in the industrialized world. We spend more money per capita, have worse health outcomes, and cover fewer people.
Employers reap huge benefits as they are unburdened from that cost share. Small businesses will flourish and be able to employ more.
The Center for Disease Control Healthy People in Every Stage of Life
Universal healthcare will reduce the number of “disease carriers”. Carriers infect people with weakened immune systems multiplying the amount of cost in dollars and labor on the medical community.
It is patriotic…a healthy America is a stronger Americ. Less work down time to due illness…that cost reduction alone….sick leave will reduce the cost of single payer.
A moderate income family pays over 50% od their income to housing costs and 25% to medical insurance not including the non covered put of pocket expenses for deductible and refused coverages.
The best post of the year award for 5% solution: Health, Not Hooverism This post needs to remain open and Kirk Murphy M.D. and
More good links here Sicko.
Just a wonderful post and a reason to celebrate Obama’s presidency! Thank you Stirling and I hope this post is Dugg by them that can.
Let’s also get back to the “JFK Vigah” program.
It is the phrase “promote the general welfare” that sells Universal Health Care as a constitutional issue……
Please explain that to the 47 million Americans that have no medical attention and those that have an inordinate percentage of income going to medical. Then have a talk with the people on this blog that have lost their homes in order to pay for their medical bills not to mention all of the others in the for the priveledged.
Gawd forbid someone should try to tax the capital gains the rethug slugs make from their health insurance company stock.
Some talking points for our little wingnutty friends….. when I was in Crete this year there were 5 couples from the UK, we usually met after dinner at the hotel bar and chewed the fat and talked. Two couples were from Scotland. I pumped very hard about their health care system and mostly when I threw out wingnut lies….. I got the owl eyes look…. one of the wifes was the administrator for the Manchester Royal Infirmary Hospital…..
1. Wait times for surgery – there is a law or regulation that requires all requested surgeries to be completed in 18 weeks. Now this excludes ALL emergent and urgent surgeries which are done right away…… once the PCP sends a request to the hospital the clock starts ticking…… now there can be things that interfere such as the patient is too sick or needs to have other things resolved before they can go ahead with surgery……. but on a whole, they meet that 18 week target….
2. there is NO age limit for surgery…… if you are 102 and your PCP requests surgery, then it is done…….
Treat all income, including inheritances, exactly the same. Why should unearned income be taxed at a substantially lower rate than wages and salaries?
Based on a couple of studies I have seen (but do not have at my fingertips), the only substantial wait times (greater than in the US) in any of the countries with single payer systems are for voluntary optional surgeries, like cosmetic surgery (where there is no medical need).
I wanted to give specifics….. that really gets their pantyhose in a wad….
Also Elmore and I had an experience in BC Canada with friends whose daughter became ill during our visit, they called the MD on call who came out and made a house call. She was examined, given an antibiotic injection, dispensed pills on site and a follow up visit was made 3 days later for the total cost of $8.00 Canadian…. Now the family has money withdrawn from their paycheck to pay for their health care coverage which was in 2005 $1000/year Canadian when it was worth about 75cents to the dollar.
Anyone getting universal coverage for that rate?
The feedback that I constantly get when talking with my Republican friends, and family, about universal healthcare is “I want to be able to choose my own doctors.” When I point out to them that they really don’t have this now, they simply don’t believe me. My own sister who is on medicare, with a supliment said, “yes I do.”
Believe me the Harry and Louise commercials are still in the minds of these people. Choosing their own doctors is obviously very important to these people. How do we counteract this?
I pay more than 750 USD a month for my health insurance.
Hah! My employer based insurance runs more than triple that and only poorly covers preventative care (do not even ask about X-rays or lab work). My copay for doctors’ visits is $15 and I pay $10 a month each for my medications (all generics). Overall, I actually have halfway decent coverage for this country. Still sucks out loud.
Ask them if they are on a PPO or some managed care plan where they have higher benefits if they see a doctor who is within the Plan……. and get the shaft if they go outside the network…… THAT is a private corporation NOT giving them choice… by using financial incentives …..
Ask them how many times they had to change or validate that their PCP is within the network of their insurance plan……. How many times to they validate that the hospital or some specialist is in network?
THAT is a private health insurance decided that Doctor X who will take peanut rates over Doctor Y who tells the insurance company to stuff it…… IT is a private corporate bureaucrat deciding who and what care they get.
If the pool is everyone in America and all the doctors in America…… I get to choose….
Medical and the other 49 state medical programs will no longer be a burden on the state budgets and the County programs will be helped too. These programs are so under funded that the share of cost to the users has gone up so it is about the same as paying out of pocket. The investors get bought out by treaury making HR 676 a win win for public and private sector. Since morality is selling in America well I am appealling to the greed element withing the “Joneses”.
Right or wrong Single payer medical benefits all except possibly the wealthy few.
Two informative sites:
http://www.hr676.org and http://www.pnhp.org
There are huge economic benefits (above and beyond a healthier and more capable workforce) from universal single payer healthcare. Health insurance is one of the biggest costs facing the employers who provide it and an ever increasing one (which is why more and more employers have ceased to offer it). The savings to business alone would be huge, even if we impose a significant tax on employers to pay for it, the cost will be less.
When insurance is underwritten for a group plan they look at the group and their past experience and look at the actuary rates for what to expect for that type of employer and their composition…….. young white collar tech workers would pay less as an example.
When the pool that is used is the total US population then the risk for costs is spread across large numbers……. both across the population but also back & forward in experience…….. So if you have 1000 people and 2 are real sickies needing transplants and another 200 who have medium high expenses then that expense is spread across the other 798 others……. who might only have preventive exams and tests….. but on a whole….. over time the total population’s health should improve.
With that improvement, higher productivity, less sick days…… and less drain on our economy.
then there are the roller coaster years…. myself as an example…… very healthy, very little expense but in 2001 had surgery then back to very little expense and now hit big hill starting in 2007 and not sure as I am turning into one of those medium high people……….
When the pool is everyone……. the risk and the expense is spread across the population. It also will decrease costs as soon as EVERYONE has preventive care … there might be a bump then as there could be need for treatment for conditions that people put off because they were uninsured.
but they have lines and I know Germans who came here to get flu shots because they can’t get them in germany. really. and if ya want yer gall bladder out in Germany you have to wait three years an’ if ya get an MRI in Germany ya inta the thing but they don’t take ya out for 6 days because they don’t have enough mri techs and they’re each responsible for 379 machines. america has the best health care system in the world. Rudy Giuliani had prostate cancer an’ if he hadda get treatment in some socialist place, he’d be dead.
Where do you get this drivel? I’ve lived in th UK, in Canada, belgium and many other places. In no case under ’socalist’ health care could I not choose my doctor, get treated quickly for acute conditions, or be denied care for any aliement.
Universal preventative care will result in huge savings all by itself. Currently the uninsured poor constitute a huge disease reservoir which routinely spills over to the rest of us. Eliminate that through routine preventative care and we will all be healthier.
I think bfl was attempting satire there.
I agree totally….. the bump would getting those without insurance and those under insured who do not seek care to a healthy state …… but having everyone covered would counter that slight bump…… and the decline in costs would be dramatic….
It has always amazed me, the folks who brag about how they’ve never taken a sick day for any reason.
They were always the ones I blamed because they wouldn’t stay home, but just had to come into the office and infect everyone else.
This is especially so for groups like fed employees who do receive reasonable amounts of sick leave each year.
Great post: More of these agenda issue posts Stirling Newberry!
you should of seen the Brits looks when I told them that if I called in sick…. it came out of my vacation time….
Unfortunately, if you take needed sick (or other) leave you are branded as a lazy slacker in this country. We valorize work over sense or anything else. Always has struck me as insane. On the other hand I have only used less than a week of sick leave in the past ten years (set a new record last year by missing two whole days). In my defense I am also generally pretty healthy.
I’ve had employers all across the board on thins. X amount of sick time per month or year; sometimes accrued sometimes granted at the beginning of a period. X number of days granted for whatever use; sick, vacation or personal time as needed. Or “unlimited” sick time in addition to vacation days with “unlimited” being “don’t call in sick every Monday or Friday but if you’re sick stay home and take care of yourself and don’t infect everyone else”
My university is pretty generous with sick leave. We accrue 8 hours per month, which carries across years so we never lose it. I currently have enough to take off an entire semester and I even donated a big chunk to a colleague a few years ago after she had a baby.
Big pharma, the corporate media and the Republicon party have demonized the notion of single payer in the minds of most Americans. It will take a massive grassroots effort to move in the direction of the Canadian or Western European system.
Book Salon a couple of flights upstairs with Jane hosting Ed Begley, Jr and his book Living Like Ed: A Guide to the Eco-Friendly Life
A question which usually isn’t asked is whether it’s the ‘best’ because of the economic model or because we just have smarter better health care providers and the equipment they need to get it done.
Can you suggest what there is about the economic system for health care which makes outcomes better than in other places? If you’ve watched Michael Moore’s movie Sicko you can see a lot of stories about total failures within that same system. Do you accept those disasters as ‘normal’?
There are quality and coverage issues and there is the economic system. Both need to be improved.