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	<title>Comments on: When Will Obama Withdraw from Iraq?</title>
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		<title>By: annamissed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718847</link>
		<dc:creator>annamissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://annamissed.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;expanded version of above&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://annamissed.com/" rel="nofollow">expanded version of above</a></p>
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		<title>By: annamissed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718846</link>
		<dc:creator>annamissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course that should read &lt;i&gt;Maliki&lt;/i&gt; has a (secret) alliance with Sadr.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course that should read <i>Maliki</i> has a (secret) alliance with Sadr.</p>
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		<title>By: annamissed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718845</link>
		<dc:creator>annamissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Visser’s piece is a testament on how far US influence has fallen - thinking about how much leverage we’ll get by leaving. Now thats what I call leverage. I don’t think Maliki is as worried as most, if the US were to leave unconditionally, that would satisfy Sadr’s essential demand. It’s not beyond reason to think Maliki has a (secret) alliance with Sadr that should things go south after withdrawal, he would re-align with Maliki and boot the Iranian backed SIIC in a nationalist alliance. The best the U.S. could do in terms of exit leverage is to offer significant war restitution based on the kind of reforms Visser sees as in the best interest of democracy in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visser’s piece is a testament on how far US influence has fallen &#8211; thinking about how much leverage we’ll get by leaving. Now thats what I call leverage. I don’t think Maliki is as worried as most, if the US were to leave unconditionally, that would satisfy Sadr’s essential demand. It’s not beyond reason to think Maliki has a (secret) alliance with Sadr that should things go south after withdrawal, he would re-align with Maliki and boot the Iranian backed SIIC in a nationalist alliance. The best the U.S. could do in terms of exit leverage is to offer significant war restitution based on the kind of reforms Visser sees as in the best interest of democracy in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718794</link>
		<dc:creator>spoonful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why this analysis of the after effects of our withdrawal from Iraq?  It is the U.S. occupation that is the problem.  This war must end on January 20, 2009 and 120,000 U.S. soldiers must return home . . . it’s that simple.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why this analysis of the after effects of our withdrawal from Iraq?  It is the U.S. occupation that is the problem.  This war must end on January 20, 2009 and 120,000 U.S. soldiers must return home . . . it’s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: koolmuse</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718720</link>
		<dc:creator>koolmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The troops in Iraq should be brought out during Obama’s first week in office. There is no excuse for not doing so. Especially if you believe the war was criminal and our presence there is wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
Obama is not responsible to see Bush’s illegal invasion and occupation through to the end. If he does that we’ll be there for “50 or 100 years” as Bush intended.&lt;br /&gt;
There is no rational reason to think the sectional violence in Iraq will escalate if America leaves in January; on the contrary most Iraqis (80%)see the US presence as the main reason for the violence.&lt;br /&gt;
Besides, who’s to say that the violence won’t increase after the US leaves in 16 months…or five years or whenever?&lt;br /&gt;
And even if it does that’s their problem. The US has done enough.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The troops in Iraq should be brought out during Obama’s first week in office. There is no excuse for not doing so. Especially if you believe the war was criminal and our presence there is wrong.<br />
Obama is not responsible to see Bush’s illegal invasion and occupation through to the end. If he does that we’ll be there for “50 or 100 years” as Bush intended.<br />
There is no rational reason to think the sectional violence in Iraq will escalate if America leaves in January; on the contrary most Iraqis (80%)see the US presence as the main reason for the violence.<br />
Besides, who’s to say that the violence won’t increase after the US leaves in 16 months…or five years or whenever?<br />
And even if it does that’s their problem. The US has done enough.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718705</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Every division you pull out, leaves those remaining more vulnerable. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have to drive our vehicles out and that leaves them wide open to attack. While very lethal, Abrams tanks are just very expensive, very large targets. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you pull out in large groups? That’s smart, you can mass your firepower. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, a lot of people who hate us (pretty much the whole country) wait for a narrowing in the road and block it by blowing up one vehicle. They they rain mortar fire down on everyone who is backed up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok, so you evacuate in small groups. Now you have relatively little firepower with which to shoot back. Our air superiority is of little value in civilian areas unless we want to continue killing a lot of innocents. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our soldiers understand this, you can bank on them being on edge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a logistical nightmare of immense proportions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every division you pull out, leaves those remaining more vulnerable. </p>
<p>We have to drive our vehicles out and that leaves them wide open to attack. While very lethal, Abrams tanks are just very expensive, very large targets. </p>
<p>Do you pull out in large groups? That’s smart, you can mass your firepower. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, a lot of people who hate us (pretty much the whole country) wait for a narrowing in the road and block it by blowing up one vehicle. They they rain mortar fire down on everyone who is backed up.</p>
<p>Ok, so you evacuate in small groups. Now you have relatively little firepower with which to shoot back. Our air superiority is of little value in civilian areas unless we want to continue killing a lot of innocents. </p>
<p>Our soldiers understand this, you can bank on them being on edge.</p>
<p>It’s a logistical nightmare of immense proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, while acknowledging the risks, it’s time to leave. The elephant in the china shop has done what little it can to fix the situation, now it’s up to the people who work in the shop to finish the job as best they can. One of the lessons the US still needs to learn is that “it’s not about you”. Sometimes you just have to let other people take care of their own problems, and not interfere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, more to the point, sometimes you need to tend to your own affairs. This is one of those times.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bullseye.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Ian.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, while acknowledging the risks, it’s time to leave. The elephant in the china shop has done what little it can to fix the situation, now it’s up to the people who work in the shop to finish the job as best they can. One of the lessons the US still needs to learn is that “it’s not about you”. Sometimes you just have to let other people take care of their own problems, and not interfere.</p>
<p>And, more to the point, sometimes you need to tend to your own affairs. This is one of those times.</p>
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<p>Bullseye.</p>
<p>Thanks Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718409</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really don’t get this whole withdrawal thing…simply don’t deploy new divisions into Iraq on the current schedule. Those there complete their tours and remove any equipment that isn’t going to be utilized by the remaining forces as they depart. That’s take about 18 months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any surplus equipment could be sold to the Iraqis or brought over the Saudi or Kuwait border…or simply decommissioned and left in depots in the desert for later removal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don’t get this whole withdrawal thing…simply don’t deploy new divisions into Iraq on the current schedule. Those there complete their tours and remove any equipment that isn’t going to be utilized by the remaining forces as they depart. That’s take about 18 months.</p>
<p>Any surplus equipment could be sold to the Iraqis or brought over the Saudi or Kuwait border…or simply decommissioned and left in depots in the desert for later removal.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/08/when-will-obama-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-1718382</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree that George Bush needs to be tried for war crimes. Sadly, I think we’ll never see it, unless he’s stupid enough to visit Holland or some such.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What about others in the administration who pushed us into this criminal occupation of Iraq?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the Neocon involvement in U.S. government which pushed us into Iraq all that different than the Likud and Zionists in Israel who pushed into the West Bank? Seems they only know one final solution.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I agree that George Bush needs to be tried for war crimes. Sadly, I think we’ll never see it, unless he’s stupid enough to visit Holland or some such.</p>
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<p>What about others in the administration who pushed us into this criminal occupation of Iraq?</p>
<p>Is the Neocon involvement in U.S. government which pushed us into Iraq all that different than the Likud and Zionists in Israel who pushed into the West Bank? Seems they only know one final solution.</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Real Question is…………….&lt;br /&gt;
Was Nuremburg  a mistake?&lt;br /&gt;
What do I tell my kid?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Real Question is…………….<br />
Was Nuremburg  a mistake?<br />
What do I tell my kid?</p>
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