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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716573</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Back to the Franken race. Did any big-name dems help him campaign?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, Hillary was here twice, including the Election Eve, and Bill came once for a rally.  Hillary did a great gig up on the Iron Range in mid October.  Howard Dean showed up a couple of times. Tester was here, Dorgan, and Barbara Boxer — and there were others.  Before he got sick, Ted Kennedy was here for Franken.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me fill in a little about the Minnesota Recount.  Yes, what you are seeing now is adjustments in the numbers as they were recorded on Tuesday in the in-precinct scanners.  We have about 4400 precincts in the state, thus 4400 scanners — all ballots in the state are laid out in the same design (by law the design must be tested), and under normal circumstances the scanners are the most accurate mass counting method available.  Hennepin County has, for the past ten years, had the lowest error rate for large metro areas using this system in the US, First in the top 49 Metro areas.  But no system is perfect, thus our State Law considers a Recount by hand a normal part of any election if the margin between two candidates is less than .05.  We will, for instance, be recounting three legislative races that show from the preliminary count, margins of less than 100 votes between candidates.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Process of the Recount is all in State Law in great detail.  We became rather famous in 1962-63 when we had a five month recount of a Governor’s race — Elmer Anderson v. Karl Rolvaag, and after having argued the issue in courts for six weeks, they finally settled down to a real recount, and didn’t finish up till March.  From Jan 1 till mid March we just had two Governor’s, one in the formal offices, and another in the basement of the Capitol in a temp office.  The one in the Basement ultimately won by about 123 votes, with a total of 17 ballots that no one could agree on the intent of the voters.  Anyhow, that process led the Legislature to consult widely, and then write a very clear recount law dealing with every possible contingency, and then when we redesigned the elections system in the late 1980’s, the Recount Law was simply made part of the system.  It is also well tested in the courts, because local units of government frequently have recounts — and any important court ruling goes into the state codes in the next legislative session.  That is how you keep the loud lawyers and courts out of your soup — you have clear law.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because a recount is mandated if the margin is less than .05 (and in the Franken-Coleman race that would be about 16,000 votes) just think of what we are doing as a continuation of counting the ballots.  What will happen is that in each of the 88 counties a public counting facility will be set up, teams of counters will be recruited — many will be trained poll workers, others may be party volunteers, and each precinct will be counted by hand by a team of two representing opposite parties.  They will sort the ballots into piles, Franken, Coleman, Barkley, Other, no apparent vote, markings outside of the norm.  They will count each pile, with each counter writing the number on a talley card.  A Clerk will compare the two cards, if they agree, then they agree.  If they don’t agree, the piles go to another team for another count.  Markings outside the norm — well we have state laws to guide us in interpreting the intent of the voter.  Voter circled name and didn’t fill in oval — vote counts.  voter made light check mark in oval not picked up by machine — vote counts.  Voter drew funny face on ballot — doesn’t count.  Such intrepretations of intent of voter can be appealed to the county canvas board if the counter’s don’t agree — and their ruling can be appealed to the State Canvas Board chaired by the Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court.  All this is done in public, lawyers and candidate reps can watch it all, but if they appeal, it has to be in writing.  It won’t look anything like Florida — it will rather be more like a sunday night potluck in your local Lutheran Church.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yesterday, Norm Coleman jumped the gun and announced that Tom Hefflefinger, the former USAttorney who was on Bush’s firing list probably because he did not go along with an effort to disenfranchise students voting at their college residence, would be his legal rep for the recount.  A couple of hours later Hefflefinger took himself off the case.  Make of it what you will, he is also chair of the commission reviewing the security arrangements at the Republican Convention, and didn’t think he could take both jobs.  Personally, I don’t think he wants to work for Norm in this case.  The Recount will be in 88 locations (some very small counties) so they will need 88 candidate representatives, not one big name guy.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will Franken pull it out?  Well, I hope so, but most of all I really believe our system is very good, and in the end will produce an accurate result.  My guess is it will be wrapped up before Xmas.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any more questions — want to know more about that Anderson/Rolvaag recount?  Just ask.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Back to the Franken race. Did any big-name dems help him campaign?”</p>
<p>Yes, Hillary was here twice, including the Election Eve, and Bill came once for a rally.  Hillary did a great gig up on the Iron Range in mid October.  Howard Dean showed up a couple of times. Tester was here, Dorgan, and Barbara Boxer — and there were others.  Before he got sick, Ted Kennedy was here for Franken.  </p>
<p>Let me fill in a little about the Minnesota Recount.  Yes, what you are seeing now is adjustments in the numbers as they were recorded on Tuesday in the in-precinct scanners.  We have about 4400 precincts in the state, thus 4400 scanners — all ballots in the state are laid out in the same design (by law the design must be tested), and under normal circumstances the scanners are the most accurate mass counting method available.  Hennepin County has, for the past ten years, had the lowest error rate for large metro areas using this system in the US, First in the top 49 Metro areas.  But no system is perfect, thus our State Law considers a Recount by hand a normal part of any election if the margin between two candidates is less than .05.  We will, for instance, be recounting three legislative races that show from the preliminary count, margins of less than 100 votes between candidates.  </p>
<p>The Process of the Recount is all in State Law in great detail.  We became rather famous in 1962-63 when we had a five month recount of a Governor’s race — Elmer Anderson v. Karl Rolvaag, and after having argued the issue in courts for six weeks, they finally settled down to a real recount, and didn’t finish up till March.  From Jan 1 till mid March we just had two Governor’s, one in the formal offices, and another in the basement of the Capitol in a temp office.  The one in the Basement ultimately won by about 123 votes, with a total of 17 ballots that no one could agree on the intent of the voters.  Anyhow, that process led the Legislature to consult widely, and then write a very clear recount law dealing with every possible contingency, and then when we redesigned the elections system in the late 1980’s, the Recount Law was simply made part of the system.  It is also well tested in the courts, because local units of government frequently have recounts — and any important court ruling goes into the state codes in the next legislative session.  That is how you keep the loud lawyers and courts out of your soup — you have clear law.  </p>
<p>Because a recount is mandated if the margin is less than .05 (and in the Franken-Coleman race that would be about 16,000 votes) just think of what we are doing as a continuation of counting the ballots.  What will happen is that in each of the 88 counties a public counting facility will be set up, teams of counters will be recruited — many will be trained poll workers, others may be party volunteers, and each precinct will be counted by hand by a team of two representing opposite parties.  They will sort the ballots into piles, Franken, Coleman, Barkley, Other, no apparent vote, markings outside of the norm.  They will count each pile, with each counter writing the number on a talley card.  A Clerk will compare the two cards, if they agree, then they agree.  If they don’t agree, the piles go to another team for another count.  Markings outside the norm — well we have state laws to guide us in interpreting the intent of the voter.  Voter circled name and didn’t fill in oval — vote counts.  voter made light check mark in oval not picked up by machine — vote counts.  Voter drew funny face on ballot — doesn’t count.  Such intrepretations of intent of voter can be appealed to the county canvas board if the counter’s don’t agree — and their ruling can be appealed to the State Canvas Board chaired by the Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court.  All this is done in public, lawyers and candidate reps can watch it all, but if they appeal, it has to be in writing.  It won’t look anything like Florida — it will rather be more like a sunday night potluck in your local Lutheran Church.  </p>
<p>Yesterday, Norm Coleman jumped the gun and announced that Tom Hefflefinger, the former USAttorney who was on Bush’s firing list probably because he did not go along with an effort to disenfranchise students voting at their college residence, would be his legal rep for the recount.  A couple of hours later Hefflefinger took himself off the case.  Make of it what you will, he is also chair of the commission reviewing the security arrangements at the Republican Convention, and didn’t think he could take both jobs.  Personally, I don’t think he wants to work for Norm in this case.  The Recount will be in 88 locations (some very small counties) so they will need 88 candidate representatives, not one big name guy.  </p>
<p>Will Franken pull it out?  Well, I hope so, but most of all I really believe our system is very good, and in the end will produce an accurate result.  My guess is it will be wrapped up before Xmas.  </p>
<p>Any more questions — want to know more about that Anderson/Rolvaag recount?  Just ask.</p>
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		<title>By: techno</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716418</link>
		<dc:creator>techno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As of this morning, Al Franken got 361,954 votes LESS than Obama.  That means that almost the population of Minneapolis was happy to vote for the skinny freshman senator for Illinois for President but could not bring themselves to vote for the buffoon for Senate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Al Franken’s campaign was a disaster.  Even if he gets lucky on the recount, that fact does not change.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of this morning, Al Franken got 361,954 votes LESS than Obama.  That means that almost the population of Minneapolis was happy to vote for the skinny freshman senator for Illinois for President but could not bring themselves to vote for the buffoon for Senate.</p>
<p>Al Franken’s campaign was a disaster.  Even if he gets lucky on the recount, that fact does not change.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The battle is not in the recounting, it’s in the ballots you chose to count, which is where most of the legal wrangling goes on — and it’s evidently what’s happening now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fortunately, Mark Ritchie is Secretary of State.  He’s a great guy.  No Katherine Harris here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battle is not in the recounting, it’s in the ballots you chose to count, which is where most of the legal wrangling goes on — and it’s evidently what’s happening now.</p>
<p>Fortunately, Mark Ritchie is Secretary of State.  He’s a great guy.  No Katherine Harris here.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueStateRedHead</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716332</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueStateRedHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Head, what head?  Surely he has none as it is documented that he “lost his head” over Palin  while on his Alaska cruise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unsnarkily, I would love to see a timeline of his comments on Palin since the RNC convention. We know BoBo turned against her pretty early. And Kristol?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Head, what head?  Surely he has none as it is documented that he “lost his head” over Palin  while on his Alaska cruise.</p>
<p>Unsnarkily, I would love to see a timeline of his comments on Palin since the RNC convention. We know BoBo turned against her pretty early. And Kristol?</p>
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		<title>By: wasabi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716312</link>
		<dc:creator>wasabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When does the fighting over the provisional ballots begin?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When does the fighting over the provisional ballots begin?</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716298</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMHO Obama should go to Georgia and campaign for Martin.  Can you imagine the crowds?  Tell the people of Georgia he needs Martin in the Senate to insure the U.S. moves forward.  Of course the pundits, newsreaders and media blowhards would have a fit saying there is no precedent blah, blah, blah.  The response to the media hissy fit should be framed in such a way that it embarasses the media and/or shows them as being more concerned with preserving the status quo. Obama can say that in these deeply troubled times there is an imperative to do things differently.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO Obama should go to Georgia and campaign for Martin.  Can you imagine the crowds?  Tell the people of Georgia he needs Martin in the Senate to insure the U.S. moves forward.  Of course the pundits, newsreaders and media blowhards would have a fit saying there is no precedent blah, blah, blah.  The response to the media hissy fit should be framed in such a way that it embarasses the media and/or shows them as being more concerned with preserving the status quo. Obama can say that in these deeply troubled times there is an imperative to do things differently.</p>
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		<title>By: solai</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716294</link>
		<dc:creator>solai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Swim’s up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swim’s up.</p>
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		<title>By: JPL9</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716293</link>
		<dc:creator>JPL9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe showed his true colors during the 2000 recount.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe showed his true colors during the 2000 recount.</p>
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		<title>By: solai</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716292</link>
		<dc:creator>solai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, Gawd, they’re showing Hillary drinking beer from the bottle and Obama bowling. My hope is that I never have to see a dem pandering like that again. I like my leaders to be elite.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Gawd, they’re showing Hillary drinking beer from the bottle and Obama bowling. My hope is that I never have to see a dem pandering like that again. I like my leaders to be elite.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/shrinkage/#comment-1716291</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;President Obama has made it very clear….no lobbyists will be working for him or will be allowed within a 15 mile radius of the White House. LOL Poor republics. What will they do now knowing they can’t lobby President Obama? Suicide? I mean, really, money is their blood.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Obama has made it very clear….no lobbyists will be working for him or will be allowed within a 15 mile radius of the White House. LOL Poor republics. What will they do now knowing they can’t lobby President Obama? Suicide? I mean, really, money is their blood.</p>
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