According to Dana Bash of CNN, Lieberman was not offered a subcommittee by Reid as was earlier reported, but rather Chairmanship of Veteran’s Affairs.
Now, it’s beyond the pale that Lieberman should have a gavel at all. But particularly in light of his record on veteran’s issues:
Lieberman Opposed Cutting Welfare Spending to Increase Funding for Veterans Health Care
S Con Res 57 Senate Vote 116 R 52-0; D 23-23 5/16/96
Lieberman voted against the Bond, R-Mo., amendment to the Exon, D-Neb., substitute amendment, to increase veterans spending by $13 billion in fiscal 1997-2002, to be offset by reductions in welfare spending. The Senate adopted the amendment 75-23.
Lieberman Opposed $400 Million in Funding for Veterans Benefits
S 936 Senate Vote 168 R 50-5; D 8-36 7/10/97
Lieberman voted for the Thurmond, R-S.C., motion to table the Wellstone, D-Minn., amendment to require the Defense secretary to transfer $400 million to the secretary of Veteran’s Affairs in fiscal 1998 for veteran’s benefits. The Senate agreed to the motion 58-41.
Lieberman Opposed $329 Million for Veterans Health Care
S 2057 Senate vote 175 R 5-47; D 33-8 6/25/98
Lieberman voted against the Harkin, D-Iowa, amendment that transferred $329 million from defense accounts to the Veterans Affairs Department for health care programs. The amendment ordered the secretary of Defense to transfer the funds from defense programs that would result in the "least significant harm" to armed forces readiness and military personnel quality of life. The Senate rejected the amendment 38-55.
Lieberman Opposed Cutting Funds for the International Space Station to Fund Veterans’ Health Care
S 2168 Senate Vote 185 R 12-43; D 21-23 7/7/98
Lieberman voted against the Bumpers, D-Ark., amendment to the VA-HUD Appropriations Bill that eliminated the bill’s $2.3 billion appropriation for the international space station. The amendment provided $850 million to terminate the program, $1 billion for veterans’ health care programs and $450 million for low-income housing. The Senate rejected the amendment 33-66.
Lieberman Opposed Increasing Funding for Veterans’ Medical Care by $650 Million
HR 2620 Senate Vote 263 R 8-41; D 16-34 8/1/01
Lieberman voted against the Wellstone, D-Minn., motion to waive the Budget Act with respect to the Bond, R-Mo., point of order against the Wellstone amendment to the Mikulski, D-Md., substitute amendment. The Wellstone amendment increased the amount available for veterans’ medical care by $650 million. The substitute provided $84.1 billion for the departments of Veterans Affairs (VA) and Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and related agencies. The Senate rejected the motion 25-75.
Lieberman Missed a Vote on Supplemental Spending for Veterans Health Care
HR 2361 Senate Vote 165 R 52-0; D 43-0 6/29/05
Lieberman was absent for the vote on the Santorum, R-Pa., amendment to the Murray, D-Wash., amendment. The Santorum amendment appropriated $1.5 billion in supplemental fiscal 2005 funding to the Department of Veterans Affairs for medical services provided by the Veterans Health Administration. The Murray amendment appropriated $1.42 billion in supplemental fiscal 2005 funding for the same purpose. The Senate adopted the amendment 96-0.
Lieberman Missed a Vote on Providing $1.5 Billion in Funding for Veterans Health Care
HR 2361 Senate Vote 166 R 52-0; D 43-0 6/29/05
Lieberman was absent for the vote on the Murray, D-Wash., amendment to the Interior-Appropriations Bill. The amendment provided $1.5 billion in fiscal 2005 supplemental appropriations to the Department of Veterans Affairs for medical services provided by the Veterans Health Administration. The Senate adopted the amendment 96-0.
Lieberman Opposed $20 Million in Funding for Veterans Health Care to be Offset by Cuts to Americorps
HR 4939 Senate Vote 111 R 35-19; D 4-39 5/4/06
Lieberman voted against the Thune, R-S.D., amendment to the supplemental appropriations bill that added $20 million for veterans’ health care facilities. It offset the additional spending by striking $20 million in the underlying bill for AmeriCorps. The Senate rejected the amendment 39-59.
They put Lieberman out in front of the Walter Read cleanup mess earlier in the year despite his less-than-stellar history on veteran’s issues. This is far more respect than he deserves, and it’s outrageous that he thinks an offer like this is "unacceptable."
Sign the letter asking the Senate Democratic Leadership to relieve Lieberman of his gavel.
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Obama news conference up
If reid had any leadership qualities at all, the only offer to joLIE would be to help him move his office to a broom closet in the basement. Reid needs to be thrown out and joLIE shunned as a heretic.
outrageous!!
No gavels for Lieberman
Obama: Extension of jobless benefits and fiscal stimulus, no details.
Expediting retooling funds already appropriated for auto companies.
Review of bailout plan.
You’re a twerp, Harry!. A spineless, feckless, dung-eating beetle of a Senator.
We all knew what the first test of the Obama administration would be.
Turn Joe loose.
Long term growth focused on middle class.
No details on anything that I could see. I saw before this conference that Obama was going to try to dampen expectations. He certainly dampened mine.
First Q a real soft ball.
Is there a chance at all that the Dems select a new majority leader?
Digg this!
Seconded and passed on voice vote.
a question on Iran
“let me repeat what I said in the course of the campaign”
So they threw him a bone they knew he wouldn’t take. Wasn’t a frontal insult, but conveyed the same message.
If he doesn’t get a better deal from the Republicans, he will take what he can get. And that is far too much.
the senate needs to create a Committee on Whining Affairs
with one member, Chairman Lieberman
WTF???? Screw petitioning against Lieberman, we need a petition to get Faint-Heart Harry out of there!!
they asked the dog question! LOL see previous thread
I would like to have heard
Strong action to keep people in their homes, avoid foreclosure (maybe even a moratorium), force banks to renegotiate loans, and thereby prop up sagging home prices.
Nationalization of banks, force them to go back to normal lending, declare their toxic assets by valuing them at pre-bubble prices, no dividends and severe limitations on executive compensation until they are re-privatized.
Re-regulation of the financial industry: re-imposition of Glass-Steagall, reserve requirements, leveraging limits, transparency rules
Derivatives: nullify naked swaps, settle asset backed swaps at 5-20% of their stated value, limit derivative types, and allow them only on regulated trading platforms, like the CME or possibly ICE.
This is what I would have liked to have heard and did not.
Well…not wanting to screw the poor to increase funding for the VA I can understand. It is a sucky situation all around, but refusing to cut funding for the total waste of money space station in return for increasing VA funding is unacceptable.
And while you’re at it, how about a Committee on Wining Affairs?
has to be a hypogenic breed but want to make it a shelter dog–can these two criteria be met?
Digg is now open for all good Pups to Digg this important post and issue!
Jane I signed the Liarman protest yesterday!! Can I sign more than once??
hypoallergenic
Yes.
Think that’s completely unreasonable for this type of event. Especially since he’s not prez yet.
I didn’t expect him to say anything that he didn’t say during the election. However, he could have, but didn’t, give some new & interesting anecdotes from the meeting.
CNBC will have some of the participants on air over the next couple of hours. I’ll stay tuned for awhile.
Malti-Pooh just like Tucker!!
Given Joe’s record it is easy to understand why he refused he obviously hates Vets. But was Harry Reid doing a no vetting Palin Hire or was he deliberately insulting Joe.
Normal Harry is so careful of Hurting the GOP’s feelings I’m confused or does he think that driving Joe to the GOP is the best way to help the GOP?
By Blue Dog logic Harry now should be out as leader.
Arrgh! Trying to put myself in the place of a Blue Dog to think like them hurts The Stupid it Burns!
I Dugg your Digg, nahant. Even though you wiped out mine…:)
Obama looked tired and worried. I wonder what he has learned since Tuesday.
One read on market behavior during speech was disappointment with his emphasis on not being prez yet, and deliberation on cabinet members.
It appears from der Google and wiki that Greyhounds are a hypo-allergenic breed.
I think it would be a very good thing if the Obama’s Adopted a Retired Racing Greyhound
Reid may have been deliberately insulting Joe, but it could be viewed as an insult to veterans as well…
If Obama could talk about a stimulus plan, help for Detroit, and extending unemployemnt benefits, why couldn’t he talk about these points as well? I would think coming out strong saying that he really would fix this thing would be more of a confidence builder than vague generalities.
“a lot of shelter dogs are mutts, like me”
Classic. I love this guy.
When Candy Crowley asked that Q, he said of course he couldn’t A it, and smiled.
Nice research.
Assuming that the Dana Bash report is true:
For shame, Senator. For shame.
Only in this case, I mean, you, Senator Harry Reid.
What a disgraceful position to have taken vis a vis a traitor to your party.
Possible but hard. Because with small kids, you don’t want to adopt a “problem” adult dog. I’m sorry, but you just don’t. Particularly when you’re moving into a new house. If you’re an adult, the decision may be different.
It’s time for Harry Reid to go. Period.
My sister adopted a greyhound (as have some friends). They are really quite good dogs as long as they get some exercise and it seems to me the WH has a large enough lawn for the necessary exercise.
Guess that make up for you doing the same to me last night(:>))
How goes it today Neuro? Did you try easy transfer yet??
Yeah. That made me even more curious.
Answer me these questions:
- why is it that Lieberman has (and, if Reid has his way, will keep) a gavel, and Hillary has none?
- where are all the PUMAs now, when they could turn on their inner harpy and help HRC?
Personally if I were Majority Leader, I would recount Lieberman’s actions back to him and then show him the door.
If I was trying to be a pol’s pol, I would offer Lieberman a deal I knew he would refuse and then pounce on that refusal to show Lieberman the door.
Reid is so wishy-washy that it is unclear whether he is pursuing some half-assed version of the second strategy. It is clear that he isn’t doing the first one.
Because your list is too detailed & too specific. Don’t know if I can remember any prez doing that in a presser. And since Obama isn’t prez yet, putting out anything other than vague details (extending unimployment benefits is not specific in the same way, since the unemployment rate is rocketing up) both steps on the man still in office and creates expectations that Obama may not be able to live up to. BTW, cnbc type thought that a main object of the presser was to dampen unreasonable expectations. If so, it was a smart thing to do. (Unless carried to the W extreme!)
I would rather they give Veterans Affairs to McCain than Lieberman — in an act of bipartisanship.
Did W have a doggy gym installed?
Gets my vote.
First and foremost it’s imperative that Reid be replaced! That he would off Lieberman anything is stunning. Reid has got to go and then kick traitor Joe down the road.
That is sooo perfect.
i would have like some specifics of any kind.
Good point if I was taking Joe seriously for that job I would be arguing that point, but to be honest it never crossed my mind.
BTW, Hillary has no chairmanships at all, owing to seniority system.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..243509.php
if true, so far so good – mission accomplished.
Ha. I’m on the other side of you & Hugh for a change. *g*
There needs to be a concerted effort from the netroots to oust Reid.
I got one when my kids were young and it really wasn’t a great dog for kids.
Patience, grasshopper.
no, need to check and see if network is working
but I plan to today
How about the fact Ried is a Mormon and is guilty by association.
Unfortunately McCain’s record on veterans affairs is not particularly good. Haven’t the vets suffered enough just for a gotcha moment?
No fucking way! McCain is no friend of the True Veterans of this country. McCain has betrayed Veterans time after time. Just ask the families of the Vietnam MIAs who are still missing and all records of them are classified by McCain and the Pentagon!!
McCain is only thought of as a veteran because he was shot down, the rest of his military record is under lock and key as he sure didn’t want the truth about his record to come out!! I think we would be shocked at his record!!
Fair enough. Veterans first. And shame on me for thinking about it only from the gotcha POV.
My best friend works in a no-kill shelter. She said they get pure-breeds these days, even pure-bred puppies. A poodle or poodle/mix (no shed) from a shelter is possible.
Re Liberman, he is a sign of Democratic Party weakness. President Obama is going to need tough friends.
Good to see that competence has nothing to do with how the Senate is run. It certainly explains how Harry Reid got and kept his job.
lol. well, i haven’t paid this much attention in the past so i don’t know what is typical to expect. on the other hand, our economic and financial situation is far from typical and according to roubini we needed appropriate action yesterday.
btw, i left the complete list of economic advisors (as reported by the telegram) at the bottom of the previous thread.
The rethugs sure can’t offer him a gavel
This is just beyond unbelievable.
cnbc guy is complaining about lack of transparency of bailout plan. “And Hank Paulson can give a quarter of a trillion of taxpayer money to his friends.”
Never thought I’d hear that on cnbc.
As a veteran not only no hell no!
Well drop me an email or call if you have any questions, I am just hanging out taking pictures of the solar installation for tonight’s diary update.
serious question – how long do you thing patience is appropriate? would it be different if the president elect was an R?
Byrd has stepped down as chairman of appropriations.
I would guess.
Didn’t post-Watergate congress do something to overhaul seniority system? Even if not, it certainly is time to do something now.
that guy might want to start looking for another job.
Well that may vary as the friends who adopted have two plus their daughters (who have young children) have 3 between two families. I seem to recall them saying one of the dogs wasn’t real good with the grandkids but all the others were fine.
hey Jane and Firedogs,
btw, what does this say about their priorities ?!?!?
Homeland Security is considered marqee and sexy but somehow Veterans Affairs is some kind of backwater where you can hide a Crazy Uncle ??
just when I think the Aristocrats can’t piss me off any more than they already have they step on their dicks like this
Thanks for the list.
Yes, need it earlier than now, but that’s not how these things happen.
Time to start looking for a primary opponent
longer than two days.
If he’s smart he’ll listen very carefully to what the current cabinet members tell him. We know that the truth is quite different than what we hear in the media. I have a feeling that he’s going to find that the govt is in deeper trouble than anybody thought. We’ve had bozos running every agency for almost 8 years. What they haven’t destroyed outright has suffered greatly from neglect.
It was in the context of overall lack of fed govt transparency, and Obama’s google gov legislation that went nowhere.
These are the current members of the VA Committee
CHAIRMAN Daniel K. Akaka, HI
John D. Rockefeller IV, WV
Patty Murray, WA
Barack Obama, IL
Sherrod Brown, OH
Jon Tester, MT
Jim Webb, VA
Independent
Bernard Sanders, VT
If you forget about seniority there are several good potential Chairmen already on the committee.
depends on how you measure competence.
in the senate, seniority is a measure of electoral success. in the house, they also take into account the ability to raise money.
knowledge or interest has little to do with this type of competence. see reyes, house intelligence.
And Obama didn’t say if the dog was gonna be from a shelter. Should we begin impeachment hearings yet? He’s obviously not to be trusted.
I thought this was a thread about Lieberman and veterans?
Yep. All we get before the inauguration is a lot of face time when appointments are announced and other trivial crap. It will be 20 January that we get the first real glimpse of what we’re in for. If it were me I’d make very few public comments before then. Anything he says will be subject to the wrath of the reichwingnuts on teebee. He’s not prez yet so I’d like him not to show his hand before he is.
Yep. But Obama doesn’t know that yet. He’s had a security briefing but not gone into any details of how the govt hasn’t been functioning.
They say that the DOD can’t account for some enormous amount of its budget. I want to say $100 billion/year but that’s a wild ass guess as I can’t remember the actual number. But suppose it’s double or triple that?
i ask because before tuesday, the push back i got was to wait until the guy is elected. now the goal posts have moved and it’s something else.
You know if I wanted some solid ideas about how to handle the housing crisis and financial meltdown, almost none of those guys would be on my list of advisers.
“Anything he says will be subject to the wrath of the reichwingnuts “
and who else?
Naaah. Lying at a presser is a job requirement. Not the same as lying under oath.
A Senator who actively campaigned for the Republican nominee is being welcomed back into the party with an important committee chairmanship?
I find that outrageous.
It is an INSULT to all of the people who have worked so diligently on behalf of the Democratic party.
This is NOT an acceptable move, Harry Reid. He has stabbed Democrats in the back.
KICK. HIM .OUT.
Kerry should take veterans affairs. At least he’s a veteran.
Lieberman did not serve in Vietnam. Why not? (deferments like Dick?)
Classic:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/07/obama-puppy/
I must have gotten one of the ungood ones.
No need. Republics begin hearings Jan 21, 2009.
It’s all they know outside of plundering.
No mo’ joe
jumpin’ ship
not too hip
cross campaignin’ partisan flip
comin’ home
throw me a bone
no more joementum, all alone
now reid decides
who stays or rides
screw you joe for changin’ sides
The international conference starts on the fifteenth
The way I look at it is not in terms of time (though that could become a factor later), but rather what he does when he does something. Pressers are not “doing something” in that regard. I mean substantive stuff, like appointments, actual proposals, etc.
Byrd to step down as Approp. Chair – Inouye to replace him
Inouye is currently Chair of Committee on Commerce, Science, & Transportation – should he give that up Jay Rockefeller is next up, but Jay is Intel Chair already and may not take it, so next up after him is John Kerry
that makes a lot of sense. ok, i back off, at least most of the way, of my complaint about the lack of specifics.
i do think though that appointments and advisors are very important clues.
I think the same.
Reed (not Reid) is also a veteran and would do a good job on the VA Committee. I don’t know his other committee assignments. Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders would also be good picks and they are already on the committee.
Joe should be dumped. It is over for him. The best thing for Reid is to distance the dem party. Right now.
Back to the salt mine.
Be good to yourselves, and all other livings.
Namaste
yeah. it sure doesn’t seem like a group designed for that purpose.
Byrd is too old to be in the Senate. Inouye is a war hero but as his defense of Ted Stevens shows, he is an old time (read crooked) politician and should not be allowed anywhere near a committee that controls so much money like Appropriations.
Yes, new blood is needed.
There is an Easter Bunny!
I don’t think Obama is gonna know the real extent of how bad off the govt is until his new cabinet gets in and finds out what’s really been going on. And I believe it’s gonna be a shocker.
My understanding is that Jello is due to give up the Intel seat (IIRC it is not a “permanent” seat).
Inouye as Appropriations chair is NOT an improvement over Byrd. Only a few years younger and probably not as sharp as Byrd is on the issues. And if Short Ride is hit for his actions, Inouye campaigning for his BFF Toobz Stevens AFTER the conviction should probably count for something as well.
IMNSVHO
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog…../#more-485
Righto. And he won’t tell us how bad it is would be my guess.
Harry Reid is an idiot.just throw LIEberman out on his wrinkled arze.
Reid really makes me sick
always a good reminder. thanks.
Funny, all that we hear during the election was how Obama was going to bring a wealth of ‘newness’ to WA. Kind of appearing that is not the case:
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog…../#more-485
Really? Obama hasn’t fixed anything yet. s/
The Right Wingers are whining that Pres-elect Obama did not call on a Fox news reporter during his presser.
per kagro x -
These are the members of the Steering and Outreach Committee who will be on the front lines of that decision making process:
Debbie Stabenow, Michigan – Chairwoman (202) 224-4822
Harry Reid, Nevada (202) 224-3542
John Kerry, Massachusetts (202) 224-2742
Daniel Inouye, Hawaii (202) 224-3934
Robert Byrd, West Virginia (202) 224-3954
Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts (202) 224-4543
Joe Biden, Delaware (202) 224-5042
Patrick Leahy, Vermont (202) 224-4242
Chris Dodd, Connecticut (202) 224-2823
Tom Harkin, Iowa (202) 224-3254
Max Baucus, Montana (202) 224-2651
Richard Durbin, Illinois (202) 224-2152
Kent Conrad, North Dakota (202) 224-2043
Carl Levin, Michigan (202) 224-6221
Herbert Kohl, Wisconsin (202) 224-5653
Barbara Boxer, California (202) 224-3553
Hillary Clinton, New York (202) 224-4451
Jeff Bingaman, New Mexico (202) 224-5521
Mark Pryor, Arkansas (202) 224-2353
Don’t know if any of these are hypoallergenic . . . but would be interesting choices–dual purpose puppies, so to speak. President-elect Obama might find the Newfoundland/Bassett combo particularly helpful at this troubling time:
Collie + Lhasa Apso = Collapso, a dog that folds up easily for transporting.
Spitz + Chow Chow = Spitzchow, a dog that throws up a lot.
Pointer + Setter = Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
Great Pyrenees + Dachshund = Pyradachs, a puzzling breed.
Pekingese + Lhasa Apso = Peekaso, an abstract dog.
Irish Water Spaniel + English Springer Spaniel = Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle.
Labrador Retriever + Curly Coated Retriever = Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists.
Newfoundland + Bassett Hound = Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors.
Terrier + Bulldog = Terrible, a dog that makes awful mistakes.
Bloodhound + Labrador = Blabador, not a popular dog with CIA agents.
Malamute + Pointer = Moot Point, owned by . . . oh, well, it doesn’t matter anyway.
Collie + Malamute = Commute, a dog that travels to work.
Deerhound + Terrier = Derriere, a dog that’s true to the end.
Just so it is not Lieberman
Gee, they are sure cry babies.
sure, that sounds good, but where are the specifics?
Why would you think that anything Dick Morris has to say would be pertinent?
Doesn’t look right-wing to me
http://www.mediabistro.com/fis…..100032.asp
For fear of “offending” someone I shall leave it at that.
Yes, there is, but he, like the big O-man, is evil I tell you!
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/p…..f69/95.jpg
Great breeds!
ding
Boxer is from my state. She will nuke him. If I know her.
excellent! i’ll applaud that.
Oh puleeeeze – just go joe!!!
Love it.
ditto.
People down the street had a bascot, basset and scottie mix. It was an incredible dog to watch run with it’s big head and little legs.
Well, so far cnbc has not come up with any interviews of people who attended Obama’s econ meeting today. So I’m switching.
Why is it not pertinent? He was the architect behind Clinton’s success. I would think what he has to say is very pertinent. Just because you may not agree doesn’t mean it isn’t a viable discussion.
Except she supported him in his Senate run.
Shih Poo: Shih Tzu / Poodle mix
I find it incredibly amusing. Relegate them to the right wing propagandists that they are. I saw the headline at Drudge. I did not link because he does not deserve the traffic.
It is the weight of office. It would be sobering even for you.
Yay Obama! Now there is some change I need.
How does the prez decide who to call on? Obama had a list, & so did W. W only called on reporters who were safe. Wonder what O’s criteria are.
Yes, but she is a pragmatist. A survivor. Joe is not.
Read it. Dick, indeed.
Via Froomkin,
If Mike McConnell told me it was day and I saw the sun shining outside, I would have doubts because he said it. That guy lies as easily as he breathes.
hilarious. thanks!
Good question. If there’s a list, Obama made the list with help from his staff. The Decider was handed the list by his staff and told what to do.
Bulldog & Shih Tzu = The official mascot of the McCain/Palin campaign, Bullshiht.
lol. you crack me up. my mistake for thinking that a economics press conference would you know, be about economic polices. i already understood that a line used as a greeting would not come with details. live and learn.
Who says Dick Morris was the “architect behind Clinton’s success?” Dick Morris?
Not in anything approaching reality as lived by rational folks.
Haha, I wouldn’t even vote for me for prez. I bet it’s more than just the weight of the office, though. He’s got a better idea of how bad things really are, I bet.
CNN had on the mayor of LA who stated that Obama was engaged and listened to a wide range of ideas, taking it all in. He stated that he was incredibly impressed.
Anyone in the administration.
In fact, I once “won” a discussion about Iran with a Jewish acquaintance. He was very worried about the nuke program. I went thru the specifics as much as I knew them, which was a lot more info than he had. Made no progress. So I said, Well everything W has told you has been a lie, so why do you believe him on Iran? He smiled & said that I was right.
Wow, that’s pretty slick. Your Coooooolllll!
It is the culture of paranoia that the thugs have created. Everyone wants to do the right thing now. How about bombing Iran?
Everyone should be happy to have a President after eight years of a Puppet.
Or, liver & loin, as the butcher said.
Wait! Go back. I think they just said Jennifer Grandholm is coming up…..she was there.
Joe must go. (there. I’m on topic.)
Good question. He gave a local Chicago guy the nod. I think Obama’s criteria is anybody but right wingers.
Yes, of course, they are bad. We have a lot of work to do to keep the whole world from turning on us due to bush.
Love it, but probably difficult to present to the daughters as a possibility. SHOULD definitely be the neo-con mascot!
Thanks. Sounds pretty unrevealing. Attendees of W’s pre-inauguration econ summit said similar things iirc.
Jane, as I commented in Emptywheel’s post:
Dogpound Joe. The heelhound that nobody wants.
crc – i’m glad to see you back. left you a comment in an earlier thread, but think it was after you’d left.
Thank you. Haven’t seen the comment yet but I am happy you are here too.
And what makes it not possible for Reid to send the same message. Who needs Joe? He’s a loose cannon.
I think Lieberpuke may have compromising pics of Reid.
I can’t think of any other reason why he wouldn’t be shown the door to any chairmanships.
He can caucus it he wishes (we can always use the vote) but a chair should be out of the question.
Didn’t think I would have to defend that, but maybe you were not alive in the 90’s: http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..-1,00.html . Lots of other examples if you want to search a bit. Google works wonders.
Did my homework on your Hugh’s list reference. We can go over it if you like. Anytime.
Reid was just on CNN said he couldn’t say how he really felt because he was on tv. Then he said but he votes with me most of the time.
Gov Granhokm on CNN
oh, you are good.
you can email it using the contact page or would you prefer a comments thread?
Lieberman actually has an excellent progressive record on Housing, and Education, and in a few other areas he’s not bad (See ratings by Progressive Punch). If he needs to get a gavel in order to keep him in line with the caucus, make something for him there. For example, IIRC, Kennedy’s HELP committee (the E = Education) could start a new subcommittee on Education. Kennedy would still retain control of the things that mattered, but it might give Joe something useful to do.
Bob in HI
His constituents re-elect him.
Ya she is sure a looser! Hasn’t done a damn thing for MI
Cut him loose and don’t look back. And, DO NOT give McCrazy the Vet Affairs chair. He doesn’t deserve it after his vote (or lack of voting)against the Webb GI bill.
Joe and John: Actions have consequences.
shee-it! One of my major beefs with McCain was his voting record on veteran’s issues. I didn’t know that Hojo was his twin in this regard. what an insult to veterans to put him in charge.
really, reid needs to hand the reins to someone else. this is really stupid.
i’m thinking the same thing…. imo joe gave the dems his ass to kiss – let him slowly twist in the wind……………..
What about a little Truth in Advertising, huh???
If whiny Lieberman is denied the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs chairmanship, what, he becomes a full-fledged member of the Christian Coalition? he starts voting straight-ticket right-wing Republican?
Let’s have some honesty – this SOB never investigated a thing in the Bush administration; how much damage can he do to the Obama administration?
Harry Reid needs to grow a pair, and issue a public statement:
“Senator Lieberman has threatened to leave the Democratic caucus if we strip his chairmanship. This effectively means that the good senator doesn’t really believe the things he is voting for. We are all for honesty. Therefore, goodbye, Senator Lieberman. Please don’t let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.”
Lieberman does not want something useful to do. He wants the power to cause trouble. He never investigated the Bush Administration, going back on his word to do so. Based on the crap he spewed at the Republican convention, and at both McCain and Palin rallies, you can bet he will cause trouble, and investigate exhaustively the Obama administration.
Here’s the text I sent Sen. Reid:
As the daughter of a POW from WWII who died days before the dismay of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio, I am appalled that Sen. Lieberman was offered the Veterans Affairs Committee chairmanship.
Sen. Lieberman made it clear throughout the campaign-right up to election day- that he was supporting Sen. McCain for president instead of Sen. Obama. Senators McCain and Lieberman have voted against the best interests of Veterans over and over again.
The work of the Veterans Affairs Committee will be crucial in the coming months, yet you hold it in such low regard that it is offered to a disgraced Sen. Lieberman. It cannot be glossed over with statements that “everyone has the right to their own opinion.” Democrats, elected or private citizens, had only one reason not to support Obama, it was racism. The military continues to be an important tool for the Americanization of our melting pot but Sen. Lieberman now symbolizes something quite different to African American, Hispanics and even women.
Do not allow your senatorial comraderie to forget that elections have consequences. Veterans will feel no confidance in his oversight. As a cheerleader for this misguided and poorly conducted War of Aggression in Iraq, Sen. Lieberman is compromised as a wise and fair guardian of veterans rights and benefits. Having sent our soldiers into battle for no good reason, the ones who return deserve more than Sen. Lieberman.
That is just excellent. I also e-mailed Reid. I listed some of the despicable things Lieberman has done and said that he had not earned a committee at all, never mind the chair. I hope many people are contacting Reid and others to get this job done. Enough.
Swopa is upstairs!
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