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	<title>Comments on: Lieberman Calling His Senator Pals, Begging To Stay</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1717207</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;BBC is running a story invoking chaos theory to explain why financial experts didn’t see the financial crisis coming.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t that just the kind of propaganda story the Bushies usually plant in a foreign paper, so they can refer to it and quote it in some American papers a day or two later? Makes it seem more objective when it comes from abroad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The evidence simply doesn’t indicate NOBODY saw it coming.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would guess many people didn’t see it coming, but the people who caused it not only saw it coming they relished it. Now…not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Isn’t that just the kind of propaganda story the Bushies usually plant in a foreign paper, so they can refer to it and quote it in some American papers a day or two later? Makes it seem more objective when it comes from abroad.</p>
<p>The evidence simply doesn’t indicate NOBODY saw it coming.</p>
<p>I would guess many people didn’t see it coming, but the people who caused it not only saw it coming they relished it. Now…not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: RickinSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lieberman is a man without shame: do not expect him to go with either dignity or speed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1716934</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is exactly what I hate about Sanctimonious Joe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While pursuing politics of personal power, Joe declares (by using language normally reserved for issues with moral implications), that this outcome or that outcome is “unacceptable”, as if there’s a moral or righteous argument to be made about the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the kind of language and framing that Democrats once pursued and which discredited them with voters. Not all issues or all policy is grounded in moral choices. Joe’s framing cheapens his argument and his credibility on the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Am I the only person who sees the irony in Sanctimonious Joe’s appeal to Obama’s new politics as a reason why he should continue in his chairmanship of Homeland Security? Especially given the fact Joe did everything he could to keep Obama out of the White House, and put John McCain in it? Joe’s argument is strictly self-serving and not a matter of principle. If principle mattered, Joe would not be demanding what he wants in order to stay in our caucus. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, I agree with Markos. We’re better off with Joe in the caucus rather than out so we can keep an eye on him. He’ll vote the way he votes because he believes in his own moral infallibility, even when the underlying issue has no moral implication. Furthermore, he’s spiteful as well as morally indignant, and so would vote against cloture and enable filibuster if he had an opportunity to stick in the shiv and twist.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If McCain had won, Joe would certainly be in his cabinet. I hope Reid brought that up when Joe asked Reid, &lt;em&gt;Where is the love&lt;/em&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what I hate about Sanctimonious Joe.</p>
<p>While pursuing politics of personal power, Joe declares (by using language normally reserved for issues with moral implications), that this outcome or that outcome is “unacceptable”, as if there’s a moral or righteous argument to be made about the issue.</p>
<p>This is the kind of language and framing that Democrats once pursued and which discredited them with voters. Not all issues or all policy is grounded in moral choices. Joe’s framing cheapens his argument and his credibility on the issue.</p>
<p>Am I the only person who sees the irony in Sanctimonious Joe’s appeal to Obama’s new politics as a reason why he should continue in his chairmanship of Homeland Security? Especially given the fact Joe did everything he could to keep Obama out of the White House, and put John McCain in it? Joe’s argument is strictly self-serving and not a matter of principle. If principle mattered, Joe would not be demanding what he wants in order to stay in our caucus. </p>
<p>That said, I agree with Markos. We’re better off with Joe in the caucus rather than out so we can keep an eye on him. He’ll vote the way he votes because he believes in his own moral infallibility, even when the underlying issue has no moral implication. Furthermore, he’s spiteful as well as morally indignant, and so would vote against cloture and enable filibuster if he had an opportunity to stick in the shiv and twist.  </p>
<p>If McCain had won, Joe would certainly be in his cabinet. I hope Reid brought that up when Joe asked Reid, <em>Where is the love</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The ‘Jewish vote’ already went to Obama - not Joe’s ‘chosen one’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ‘Jewish vote’ already went to Obama &#8211; not Joe’s ‘chosen one’.</p>
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		<title>By: maggiesboy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1716833</link>
		<dc:creator>maggiesboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Got my fax through. “Joe Has to Go”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;..and would someone please wipe the sanctimonious smirk off his Jiminy Cricket face before the door hits him in the ass on his way out?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got my fax through. “Joe Has to Go”</p>
<p>..and would someone please wipe the sanctimonious smirk off his Jiminy Cricket face before the door hits him in the ass on his way out?</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For people who want to call members of the committee to tell them “Hell No - No more Joe” - here’s the list:&lt;br /&gt;
Debbie Stabenow, Michigan - Chairwoman (202) 224-4822&lt;br /&gt;
Harry Reid, Nevada (202) 224-3542&lt;br /&gt;
John Kerry, Massachusetts (202) 224-2742&lt;br /&gt;
Daniel Inouye, Hawaii (202) 224-3934&lt;br /&gt;
Robert Byrd, West Virginia (202) 224-3954&lt;br /&gt;
Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts (202) 224-4543&lt;br /&gt;
Joe Biden, Delaware (202) 224-5042&lt;br /&gt;
Patrick Leahy, Vermont (202) 224-4242&lt;br /&gt;
Chris Dodd, Connecticut (202) 224-2823&lt;br /&gt;
Tom Harkin, Iowa (202) 224-3254&lt;br /&gt;
Max Baucus, Montana (202) 224-2651&lt;br /&gt;
Richard Durbin, Illinois (202) 224-2152&lt;br /&gt;
Kent Conrad, North Dakota (202) 224-2043&lt;br /&gt;
Carl Levin, Michigan (202) 224-6221&lt;br /&gt;
Herbert Kohl, Wisconsin (202) 224-5653&lt;br /&gt;
Barbara Boxer, California (202) 224-3553&lt;br /&gt;
Hillary Clinton, New York (202) 224-4451&lt;br /&gt;
Jeff Bingaman, New Mexico (202) 224-5521&lt;br /&gt;
Mark Pryor, Arkansas (202) 224-2353&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For people who want to call members of the committee to tell them “Hell No &#8211; No more Joe” &#8211; here’s the list:<br />
Debbie Stabenow, Michigan &#8211; Chairwoman (202) 224-4822<br />
Harry Reid, Nevada (202) 224-3542<br />
John Kerry, Massachusetts (202) 224-2742<br />
Daniel Inouye, Hawaii (202) 224-3934<br />
Robert Byrd, West Virginia (202) 224-3954<br />
Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts (202) 224-4543<br />
Joe Biden, Delaware (202) 224-5042<br />
Patrick Leahy, Vermont (202) 224-4242<br />
Chris Dodd, Connecticut (202) 224-2823<br />
Tom Harkin, Iowa (202) 224-3254<br />
Max Baucus, Montana (202) 224-2651<br />
Richard Durbin, Illinois (202) 224-2152<br />
Kent Conrad, North Dakota (202) 224-2043<br />
Carl Levin, Michigan (202) 224-6221<br />
Herbert Kohl, Wisconsin (202) 224-5653<br />
Barbara Boxer, California (202) 224-3553<br />
Hillary Clinton, New York (202) 224-4451<br />
Jeff Bingaman, New Mexico (202) 224-5521<br />
Mark Pryor, Arkansas (202) 224-2353</p>
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		<title>By: Quzi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1716816</link>
		<dc:creator>Quzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Things To Do:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) Sign petition - done&lt;br /&gt;
2) Call Harry Reid - all circuits are busy — a good sign, will try back in a minute&lt;br /&gt;
3) Federal Express some footballs with a Peanuts’ diagram to our Lucy Senators &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you FDL for all that you do!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things To Do:</p>
<p>1) Sign petition &#8211; done<br />
2) Call Harry Reid &#8211; all circuits are busy — a good sign, will try back in a minute<br />
3) Federal Express some footballs with a Peanuts’ diagram to our Lucy Senators </p>
<p>Thank you FDL for all that you do!</p>
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		<title>By: BraisedCod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1716811</link>
		<dc:creator>BraisedCod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let him wander in the desert for the next 40 years.  Let him feel the boot in his ass the same way when he kicked Clinton to the curb in 1998.  Flock him.  You can’t be McCain’s on camera Siamese twin and caucus with us.  PUMA MF!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let him wander in the desert for the next 40 years.  Let him feel the boot in his ass the same way when he kicked Clinton to the curb in 1998.  Flock him.  You can’t be McCain’s on camera Siamese twin and caucus with us.  PUMA MF!</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1716798</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to the thread, but when you go to sign the petition, make note of who’s serving on the committee…If your Senator is, then be sure to include a direct message.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the thread, but when you go to sign the petition, make note of who’s serving on the committee…If your Senator is, then be sure to include a direct message.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfsinger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/lieberman-calling-his-senator-pals-begging-to-stay/#comment-1716794</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Call: Senator Harry Reid&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Washington DC&lt;br /&gt;
528 Hart Senate Office Bldg&lt;br /&gt;
Washington, DC 20510&lt;br /&gt;
Phone: 202-224-3542&lt;br /&gt;
Fax: 202-224-7327&lt;br /&gt;
Toll Free for Nevadans:&lt;br /&gt;
1-866-SEN-REID (736-7343)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call: Senator Harry Reid</p>
<p>Washington DC<br />
528 Hart Senate Office Bldg<br />
Washington, DC 20510<br />
Phone: 202-224-3542<br />
Fax: 202-224-7327<br />
Toll Free for Nevadans:<br />
1-866-SEN-REID (736-7343)</p>
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