the republicans got it wrong, obama got it right, if they want to have a chance any election soon they are gonna have to learn how to cater to the people over their corporate contributors

Ya think?

If the media figured out their market had changed, their ratings might change too. But no.

Heritage woman on CSPAN thinks EFCA will be opposed by McConnell.

Someone ought to remind these Rethugs about what happened to Dick Fuld after he ran his company into the ground, screwed all the employees and was getting set to cart out his cash.

“A bunch of Republicans on television who ought to be explaining why they got their asses whipped this week telling me that all these janitors need to pipe down and suck it up is not compelling.”

Hear! Hear!

I forget where it was and who I was reading but someone of the right wing nut flavor was whining in the last couple of days how President Obama and the “liberals in the House and Senate” will double the minimum wage.

He was saying that as if it were a bad thing.

A bunch of wealthy Republicans on television who ought to be explaining why they got their asses whipped this week telling me that all these janitors need to pipe down and suck it up is not compelling.

Fixed it for you.

I asked this on another thread, but it got EPU’d or something so I didn’t get and answer. Why is a secret ballot for a union bad? As I understand the answer, it’s because employers intimidate employees into voting against it. I don’t understand how that would work if the vote is secret. I would think that putting your signature on a publicly available card would make a worker even more subject to intimidation.

WE are a NATION of janitors who have been, and will continue to clean up and suck up the $700 billon meltdown. Think Wall Street isn’t a de facto union,already? If capital can have a union,WHY can’t labor?

who the heck is Michelle Bernard? never liked her. and Buchanan… well, no need to say anything really. I’m with you 1000% Jane. Obama ran on this. To be sure, it didn’t get much mentiopn from him or his people but the righties seemed to know damn well he supported it becauise they brought it up enough. I just don’t get these two.

…amen

she thinks?? mcconnel should just sit there, wimper and be thankful he’s even there.

Uh, YES, Mitch McConnell is married to the Secretary of Labor,Elaine Chao,the BUSCO union-busting tool,known otherwise as the Dep’t of Labor.

That is the underlying assumption of all the concern trolling. They just think everyone agrees.

BTW Jane, those are the first numbers I saw re: union support. Very impressive. That story seems to be getting lost in the sauce as the commercial used to say.

They are desperate and scared shitless now that they are powerless.

TOUGH SHIT! The Free Choice Act MUST be passed as soon as possible. Period.

The biggest mistake would be continuing the gutting of workers and worker rights as started by Reagan. It is WAY passed time for the worker to regain a significant say in labor issues.

The anti-EFCA forces (Sheldon Adelstein, Rick Berman, Walmart, Chamber of Whores) were spending big money to defeat Democrats like Merkeley and Franken, so the unions tried not to make an issue of it before the election.

As you note, that shouldn’t be interpreted to mean they don’t care.

Heh. I used to know that. *slapping forehead*

You know we got to sit around at home
And watch this thing begin
But I bet there won’t be many live
To see it really end
‘Cause the fire in the street
Ain’t like the fire in the heart
And in the eyes of all these people
Don’t you know that this could start
On any street in any town
In any state if any clown
Decides that now’s the time to fight
For some ideal he thinks is right
And if a million more agree
There ain’t no Great Society
As it applies to you and me
Our country isn’t free
And the law refuses to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns a store
You know that five in every four
Just won’t amount to nothin’ more
Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor

me too. slap. she’s….. eewwwwwww. yucky.

Thanks Jane.

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[[”I think card check would be the worst thing he could possibly do now or ever.”]]

If he was talking strictly in the context of labor relations, this opinion might be understandable, if wrong. Was he, or did he mean the “worst thing … now or ever” IN GENERAL? And if the latter, please tell me somebody called him on it.

now. should he do this right away in the honeymoon (to the extent he has one) or should he wait a bit?

McConnell reaching out to Lieberman, says politico.

Birds of a feather, says I.

Thank you Jane.
OT, but lookit THIS chit! HERE IT COMES. We KNEW it would. Now it’s Big Pharma demanding, or asking for (like there’s a difference) IMMUNITY.
DAMNIT!
And I’m waiting for Obama to fix that little FISA fiasco he voted for.
This really ticks me off.
Sorry, Jane, for the OT rant.

I asked this on another thread, but it got EPU’d or something so I didn’t get and answer. Why is a secret ballot for a union bad? As I understand the answer, it’s because employers intimidate employees into voting against it. I don’t understand how that would work if the vote is secret. I would think that putting your signature on a publicly available card would make a worker even more subject to intimidation.

not an expert here, so hope to be corrected if i have this wrong… but the issue, i think, is when can the employers call for a secret ballot (not the employees). won’t repost it all again, but here’s the link to a previous comment.

But wait a minute Obama doesn’t have a mandate dontcha know /s

true. and if the election was 2 weeks later McCain woulda won ’cause he had the mo’ in PA, IN,OH, FL and, like, places.

It was Tom Delay on Hardball (Nov. 4) preaching hate.

Yeah, the “liberal” media really likes to provide a platform to every right wing nut including DeLay, Buchanon, et al. The population turned on the corrupt Republicon party on Nov. 4th. It’s now time for a the public to turn on a corrupt and complicit corporate media.

Obama walked the picket line at the Congress Hotel with UNITE HERE Local 1.

At the time he said, “I will be back on that picket line as President of the United States.”

As I understand it, you can collect the cards without the employer knowing that the organizing is going on. You present the required number of cards as a fait accompli. The election takes time to set up and gives the employer time to intimidate and use whatever else he can come up with to dissuade workers from approving a union. I stand to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable.

Republican “thinking” is why our country is in such a big mess after eight years of Bush Republican idealogues and lockstep enablers. Millions of Americans are out of work and have lost their homes and are literally living on the streets because of Republican “thinking”. Republican “values” and “opinions” obviously DO NOT represent those of the substantial majority of American citizens. Republicans had their opportunity to provide competent and compassionate government to ALL Americans and FAILED disastrously, yet they still “pretend” that they know what they’re talking about. Their ability to deny their failures and the damage they’ve inflicted on the lives of millions of American families is testimony to the irresponsible arrogance and ignorance of people whose irrational sense of superiorty and entitlement continues to fuel a self-created delusion that their failed political thinking, values and opinions are still valid. In short, they are not. Bush Republican “thinking” has been rejected by the American people and the Republican talking heads should stop trying to sell what the American people have so resoundingly rejected.

Frank Zappa - Trouble Every Day

Every version I found of this on YouTube with live video of Zappa cut the lyrics short.

OT - Here’s Frank Zappa on Crossfire in 1986 with John Lofton, Robert Novak and Tom Braden, making a whole lot more sense than Novak and Lofton.

Yes, that’s the gist of it. The BIG LIE that corporations are telling is that the Employee Free Choice Act would take away the secret ballot. It would not. It would give workers another option: They could vote for a union via ballot (which is what management prefers, because it takes a long time to get through the process and therefore enables management to harass and intimidate workers who might want to vote for a union). Or, workers also could chose the “majority verification” or “card-check” process, in which workers sign cards of support for a union, and if 51 percent do so, they have a union. Much faster and much less chance of management interference.

Lots of info on Employee Free Choice Act here:
http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/voiceatwork/efca/

Thanks so much for covering this issue, Jane!

My understanding is that you just need signatures on cards in order to de-certify a union so why not to certify one. Only fair, right?

I didn’t see any Union representation in Obama’s economic meeting today. Did anyone else?

A smart employer does not screw the janitors just as a smart diner does not piss off the waitstaff. You never know what goes into your soup or out with the garbage. If you’re doing any kind of environmental work, the first people you talk to are the janitors. They know exactly what’s going on.