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	<title>Comments on: CBS Vs. Rather: The Fix Was In</title>
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		<title>By: carlfoss</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1717509</link>
		<dc:creator>carlfoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For those concerned with the unemployment rate — The funny stuff with the unemployment rate was done during the Reagan administration.  The definition was changed.  Check and you will find the details.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those concerned with the unemployment rate — The funny stuff with the unemployment rate was done during the Reagan administration.  The definition was changed.  Check and you will find the details.</p>
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		<title>By: theresa43</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1717123</link>
		<dc:creator>theresa43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Limbaugh, Novak, Drudge, Coulter:   How could you get more incredible fair-minded republicans than that?  CBS just made a case for their own credibility or lack thereof.  BTW, has the real story ever come out.  I’ve always thought that a fake document was placed in the hands of Rather by a repub. spy.  Why else would the exposure have happened so quickly?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Limbaugh, Novak, Drudge, Coulter:   How could you get more incredible fair-minded republicans than that?  CBS just made a case for their own credibility or lack thereof.  BTW, has the real story ever come out.  I’ve always thought that a fake document was placed in the hands of Rather by a repub. spy.  Why else would the exposure have happened so quickly?</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1717114</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was trying really hard to not bold *everybody*.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying really hard to not bold *everybody*.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1717113</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post and I’m way late to the party here, but I really think you should go back and bold “Elliot Abrams”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I mean - they were seriously considering having a man who knowingly and wilfully lied under oath to Congress and is to this day unapologetic about it on the panel?  Oy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and I’m way late to the party here, but I really think you should go back and bold “Elliot Abrams”</p>
<p>I mean &#8211; they were seriously considering having a man who knowingly and wilfully lied under oath to Congress and is to this day unapologetic about it on the panel?  Oy.</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1716742</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting that Reagan and the Clintons are effectively even. I always saw the Clinton “surplus” as bogus because if the Clintons had not screwed up healthcare (intentionally or negligently) the Clinton surplus would have been much less or non-existent. So Clinton economics based on minimalist spending on social programs produced a surplus but I am startled by the sameness of job creation in both administrations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Reagan and the Clintons are effectively even. I always saw the Clinton “surplus” as bogus because if the Clintons had not screwed up healthcare (intentionally or negligently) the Clinton surplus would have been much less or non-existent. So Clinton economics based on minimalist spending on social programs produced a surplus but I am startled by the sameness of job creation in both administrations.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowsnapdragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1716661</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowsnapdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;unemployment numbers measure the recently unemployed and not the whole group of unemployed out there&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what I thought.  One can feel the mass loss of jobs over the last years fundamentally changing the job market in spite of the low unemployment numbers.  I believe my lyin’ eyes.  The economy is a mess and has been for years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>unemployment numbers measure the recently unemployed and not the whole group of unemployed out there</p>
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<p>That’s what I thought.  One can feel the mass loss of jobs over the last years fundamentally changing the job market in spite of the low unemployment numbers.  I believe my lyin’ eyes.  The economy is a mess and has been for years.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1716654</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eisenhower, Reagan&lt;br /&gt;
Nixon didn’t serve two terms.&lt;br /&gt;
If you include Nixon you’ll have to include Truman.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eisenhower, Reagan<br />
Nixon didn’t serve two terms.<br />
If you include Nixon you’ll have to include Truman.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowsnapdragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1716645</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowsnapdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good link.  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good link.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;IMHO R’s have been cooking the unemployment books for years. In the next few months we may start to hear the real numbers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find job numbers more informative than unemployment numbers because unemployment numbers measure the recently unemployed and not the whole group of unemployed out there.  I prefer looking at job numbers.  It’s important to remember that initial job numbers are mostly estimated with little underlying data so it takes a couple of months for real data to come in and for the numbers to firm up.  The problem is that in dynamic situations the initial numbers are not very accurate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will go as selise suggests to revise my entry at 298 on Bush job creation.  But if I remember correctly, Bush’s job creation numbers had already dropped below 5 million last month.  I can not begin to tell you just how shitty a number this is.  Economists during the bubble went through all kinds of gymnastics to explain away what has been throughout the Bush Presidency a vast and ongoing failure.  And I found it obscene that a dingbat like Palin was pushing the line that the Republicans would create jobs.  Like so much else of the McCain/Palin platform, it flat out ignored and lied about the Republican record.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>IMHO R’s have been cooking the unemployment books for years. In the next few months we may start to hear the real numbers.</p>
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<p>I find job numbers more informative than unemployment numbers because unemployment numbers measure the recently unemployed and not the whole group of unemployed out there.  I prefer looking at job numbers.  It’s important to remember that initial job numbers are mostly estimated with little underlying data so it takes a couple of months for real data to come in and for the numbers to firm up.  The problem is that in dynamic situations the initial numbers are not very accurate.</p>
<p>I will go as selise suggests to revise my entry at 298 on Bush job creation.  But if I remember correctly, Bush’s job creation numbers had already dropped below 5 million last month.  I can not begin to tell you just how shitty a number this is.  Economists during the bubble went through all kinds of gymnastics to explain away what has been throughout the Bush Presidency a vast and ongoing failure.  And I found it obscene that a dingbat like Palin was pushing the line that the Republicans would create jobs.  Like so much else of the McCain/Palin platform, it flat out ignored and lied about the Republican record.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/07/cbs-vs-rather-the-fix-was-in/#comment-1716643</link>
		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m wondering what lies they spread on Stevens opponent through email, snail mail, phone calls, radio &amp; tv.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m wondering what lies they spread on Stevens opponent through email, snail mail, phone calls, radio &amp; tv.</p>
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