We’ve been hearing Larry Summers name floated as Treasury Secretary. Bad idea. Not only did he not call the financial crisis, but he has foot in mouth disease. What a Treasury Secretary says can move markets in a big way, and Larry is simply too frank, and too unable to control his mouth for the spot. And while yes, he’s brilliant, but he’s also brilliantly abrasive and his brilliance is primarily in the details, not in the big picture. Such a bad choice for Treasury Secretary and I find it odd that he’s even being considered.
According to Steve Clemons, there are others in the running: Tim Geithner of the NY Federal Reserve Bank; Paul Volcker, the Fed Chief who wrestled inflation under control in the 80s; FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair; Laura Tyson, who was chair of Clinton’s council of economic advisers; and Jon Corzine.
I’m going to ignore Corzine, I don’t think he’ll make it. Volcker was a great Fed chairman and he saw the crisis coming. I think he’s a bit too inflexible to deal with the current crisis, but he wouldn’t be a bad choice overall. I suspect his preferred policy tools would not work.
Geithner was talking about the possibility of a bubble and about risk premia being way too low back in January of 2006. That differentiates him from both of his bosses, Greenspan and Bernanke. Not a bad technocratic choice.
Laura Tyson has been on the board of Morgan Stanley since 1997. After our experience with Paulson, and given Morgan Stanley being caught flat footed by the crisis, that’s not exactly a recommendation. Thumbs down.
Sheila Bair seems to be emerging as a progressive favorite because of her plan to rewrite mortgages to fixed interest mortgages at the initial rate in order to allow people to stay in their houses. Unfortunately, without also rewriting the mortgages to a lower face amount, this is actually a profoundly bad idea, since it will lock people into mortgages based on home valuations that are unreasonable. Honestly, many people would be better handing the keys back to the banks and walking away. The plan leads to Japanification, by saddling people with mortgages that eat up all their disposable income, turning them into economic zombies. Good regulatory plan, bad for the overall economy, though better than doing nothing.
Of the bunch, I’d have to give a very reluctant nod to Geithner or Volcker, with Bair as a distant third.
But the list itself is pretty awful. Here’s the question—why aren’t people like Roubini, Krugman and Stiglitz on it? Why aren’t people who got it right, early, and who are actually reasonably progressive, on the list? Or even Robert Reich, who called it in 2005?
Yes, I know Obama and Krugman, for example, have history, since Krugman preferred Clinton. But Obama’s been big in talking up the whole "team of rivals" and reaching out. Time to put it in play.
As for Summers, just no. He can be an undersecretary for something, and I’m sure he’ll do a great job. But he’s not the man you put out front, he simply does not have either the judgment or social skills for the job.



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Couple of folks around here got it right, are they eligible?
I’m not sure Reich would sweeten the list that much, but I have to agree strongly with your observation that:
I can see Krugman not being on it bc of thoughts that he might have the appearance of being too partisan (although who cares if you get competence?) but it’s pretty insane not to have Dr. Doom on the list.
My two criterea are someone who saw it coming and have not been tainted by conflict of interest.
Is there a timeline for when we can expect announcements of nominees for the various posts? Along with AG, TS and SoS, I’m especially interested in EPA, Energy and Homeland Security.
I’d say Volcker. Wall Street needs a reason to stop acting like Chicken Little and a smart and stable guy like Volker might be the thing to do that.
I seem to remember Volcker was chairman of the Fed when Jimmy Carter was President, you know when home mortgage rates were 17%, I don’t think he will help the Obama presidency……..
That may have been true during the primaries, but he’s been strongly in the Obama camp since. If Obama’s reaching out to other factions in the party this would be a fabulous direction to go, were Krugman to consider it. I have no idea how much he enjoys the groves of academe, and it may be hard to get him to leave. That being said, he most certainly should be courted as part of a “shadow cabinet” on the economy.
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I can understand not being chosen. But I don’t understand why he’s not even being mentioned.
I think Roubini, Stiglitz, and Bair would all be good choices. I am leery of Geithner both because he is a protégé of Summers but also because the New York Fed has been involved in a lot of the dicey, non-transparent goings-on around the response to the financial meltdown. I would also point out that in January 2006 Geithner may have said some things back but I don’t know that he did anything. Bair at least tried to get the industry to accept a voluntary code in 2003 after the government failed to act to rein in mortgage writing practices.
Krugman I don’t think as any or much government experience. And I disagree with him on trade issues, excessive speculation in oil markets, and the Paulson bailout.
Krugman has said on a number of occasions that he’s not interested in a political appointment. I think he’s pretty well wedded to academe. Too bad. I agree that he’d be excellent.
At this point I’m cranky enough to think that weighs very heavily in his favor.
I want to know if they can start tomorrow.. and stop the printing presses by lunch time. /s
IMO Obama’s trying to round up people who are on the speed dial of “pundits.” Therefore excluding anyone who got it right.
Oh, well… But he certainly should be just about at the top of the list of “go-to guys” while the knots are slowly being untangled in the mess that 16 years of Clinton/Bush have left us with. (I’m tossing the Big Dog in there because of NAFTA and deregulation issues.)
You’re really pissed at Obama already, aren’t you?
What has he done so far that we should be proud of?
I’d like to see Max Cleland offered VA and I’m concerned about Interior, with its control of Native American affairs. Washington has screwed the Native Americans since Custer. It’s past time for that to change.
From what I’ve read in Shock Doctrine Volcker doesn’t seem to be a very appropriate choice for Treasury.
You Can Tell President Elect Obama All About It Here
if the campaign is an accurate gauge, they actually read these.
You’d rather have McCain? Or Nader or Barr or McKinney?
He got elected.
Until 20 January he can’t do anything.
That seems a little exagerrated, is that like that do you think?
Oh, get over it. The election has been decided. It is now time to hold the electee accountable.
Have you seen or read any list of possibilities on Interior Sec?
Well, if you have issues with him or his transition team you can go here to air them out.
He is certainly doing a lot before 1/20. If you hadn’t noticed, the subject of this post is his economics appointees.
Yeah, next most useful thing to pissing in the wind.
BTW, here’s Josh on Summers. Much more articulate than I could be.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..243197.php
there was talk yesterday of giving RFK, Jr the EPA – sweeeeet
they’d all pack up and move to Dubai if that happens :D
So sorry. I guess I’ll just “get over it” now.
Nope. It’s always one of those that never gets any attention, just a mention of who’s picked. Folks are mostly interested in the glitzy positions, DOJ, SecState, DOD, Treasury. Interior has a lot of responsibility for what occurs on our lands. I want to see someone who’s not oil/mining friendly.
Yes, I love that idea!
Mouthy tonight aren’t we?
Reich
Or Krugman
It’s incredibly important… and I have no idea what they might be thinking. Dems frequently screw this (appointment) up.
He can name whomever he wants. They still have to be approved by the Senate and until such time nobody gets anything actually done. Transition is a learning process not a policy making process. Talking about what they want to do is a far cry from getting it done. A good team on paper is not always equivalent to a good team in the trenches.
So don’t hold him accountable. It doesn’t make any diff since he’ll do whatever he’s going to do.
But those people on the “list” have not been appointed to anything. And we don’t know if they are actually on Obama’s “list.” Maybe we could wait until he actually does something instead of getting upset about rumors.
“Hold him accountable” what bunch of bullshit.
We’re not talking about a good team. We’re assessing the potential appointees as subpar in oh so many ways. Do you think there will be a good economic policy with bad economic appointees?
Why would it be a bad thing for an incoming Democratic administration to have a Treasury Secretary who is perceived as being partisan?
It’s not like the candidates that the Republicans have put forth these last eight years have been shining exemplars of much of anything other than incompetence.
Well, if you don’t want to discuss the potential appointees, don’t participate in this thread, of which that is the subject.
Because “bipartisan” economic appointees will continue shock doctrine, deregulation, and corporatocrisy.
The 17% rates were the result of a very disciplined Paul Volcker administering a very bitter dose of medicine to the American economy to kill rampant inflation. Jimmy Carter deserves massive credit for the economic miracle of the 90’s simply by appointing Volcker to the Fed.
found a thread on this over at Calculated Risk -
those kids are calling for Jas Jain – ring a bell to any of you wonkier types ??
I initially thought Volcker, cause I think of him as someone who would scare Wall Street – but Roubini would do that and be forthright
This is the person whining and bitching about idealouges last week. I for one will talk about any goddamn thing I want to until Jane or Christy tell me otherwise.
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How do you know that these are the potential appointees? And that was my first comment in this thread. I have not said a word ever about Treasury Secretary because I do not feel that I know enough about it. BUT, I will participate in any thread that I wish.
Krugman himself says he doesn’t think he’d be good at the job, and anyway he called Obama on a couple of things back when; the campaign was Not Amused. The others? Why not!
Don’t even remember what you said huh?
fuckin A
Forgive me, but you really seem to be aggressively opposed to Obama already. I recalled that during the blogging of his acceptance speech you were expressing the same feelings as well, so I went scrounging back and looked up your comments in that thread:
I’d just like to know why you seem to be so adamantly opposed to him before he’s even taken the oath and had a chance to do anything.
Ever heard of a professional pain in the ass?
Because all the evidence that is available so far (u know the list) is that he is well to the right of even Hillary Clinton. I do not see him doing anything that is in any way consistent with my values. Potential economic appointees are just one of the many examples.
If the evidence changes, I’ll change my mind.
Raven, I’ve met eCAHNomics. She came to Savannah and we had a Firepup meetup. I like her, and I really want to know why she’s so upset.
No, but I’m not gonna not get excited about rumours or wish lists. If I don’t agree with his appointments I’ll deal with it then. My knowledge of economics is not such that I can opine on any appointee to Treasury in any case. That is not the case in other cabinet positions.
The real reason to like Bair is that she’s been an aggressive regulator, pretty much alone among those with top jobs in the Bush administration, and she’s already up to speed. She’s been a critic of Paulson’s approach. And unlike the Clinton retreads, she’s not implicated in the deregulation mania that created the problems that we have. You object to the plan she proposed, but plans can be modified. Also, I think Obama’s going to want to make a bipartisan move. Giving Treasury to a relatively progressive Republican, while keeping State and Defense for Democrats would be my preference.
Certainly there are better progressive economists out there, but it might be better to use them as advisors. The problem is that it’s not enough to have good economic ideas, you also need someone who can step in and manage a large department. Krugman is brilliant, but has never managed anyone other than grad students as far as I know. He’s not up to the task of running the Treasury Department.
Joseph Stiglitz would be a good choice to give a senior position to; he ran the World Bank. I don’t know if he’s interested, though.
Well, I’m willing to give him some of the benefit of the doubt. In order to get elected in this country ya gotta appeal to the “squishy center,” idiots though they may be. I’ll watch and wait for a bit — he’s certainly not a firebrand liberal, but he may be able to get some good stuff done.
She or he has been runnin off at the mouth with this bullshit for weeks and I’m callin it every time I see it.
What do you need to know about economics, all the experts are right here.
Frankly, I don’t care. A little courtesy wouldn’t hurt.
eCAHNomics is a charming blonde woman who’s ALMOST as short as I am. (Almost nobody’s that short, except for one delightful lady at church whose head I can see over… God, I love Millie!)
Sounds like he’s pushing Lieberman out of the Homeland Security chair. Not much, but it’s a start.
Obama was elected as a Democrat because of the Republicans failure regarding of, by and for the people. To install Republicans in his top positions is an absolutely abhorrent idea.
Well, her mouth is writing checks her ass can’t cash. There’s some econ for ya.
I doubt he’ll do anything as “leftist” as I would like but I never expected him to. The Rethugs had 30 years to take the government to the extreme right. Who knows how long it will take for the government to become a progressive force. Working towards that goal gives me something to do.
No war but class war. Now!
He said it was what he was going to do the entire time.
Re the “Not Amused” part: Well, the election’s over, and by my lights that would be a really good reason to bring him in now…
isn’t that funny Marion, I always think of you as a tall person, one of those Francis Bergen types
and come on firedogs – we’re all upstairs playing mailbox baseball with some freeper’s heads
Trust me, I remember. I just don’t like it.
screw it, I’m gonna watch the Hokies.
Obama’s backing of the Paulson bailout was not a stellar debut on economic policy. Having Robert Rubin as his major economic adviser isn’t either. And the Summers nomination that he is floating is a really bad choice as well.
Actually, there may be a few rational Republicans out there who haven’t been taken off to the Rove/DeLay reeducation camps… I’m old enough to remember some great Republicans, and I voted for some of them for Mayor, House of Representatives and Senate. (NEVER for President — I couldn’t ever go there.) If there’s ever going to be any way to drag the Overton window back in our direction it probably will necessitate rehabilitating that type of Republican while casting the Neocon/KKKarlRove/DeLay crowd out into the outer darkness.
Yay!
Heh!! If I’m standing up REALLY straight I hit 5′2″. As my former business partner in New York (6′2″) said “Huh. You act taller.” I guess I always have!
My mom was 4′11″.
Great post, for all the obvious reasons. No Summers, no Rubin, no Tyson, no Corzine — anyone who’s been in senior role with an investment bank or commercial bank gets a black bean. Geithner seems like an interesting choice.
I’m reluctant to let go of Professor Laureate Krugman as a candidate, largely because as a thinker I believe that his specialty in international trade will be vitally important to correcting the long-term, versus the short term, economic problems. If not Secretary, then on the Council of Economic Advisors?
Obama has a daunting task in appointing the Treasury Secretary. He will have to appoint someone who understands the position, can appease the market and cam also appeal to his base. Tim Geithner and Paul Volcker would be acceptible. I would love to see someone like Roubini but I would like to shift some of my funds first because the market would tank.
from my notes on otc derivative regulation history, summers plays an important role, first as assistant to rubin and then as treas secretary. here are a few bits :
there’s lots more.
we’ve had lots of discussion about what a disaster it would be for phil gramm to have any role in the next president’s economic policy team. why not apply that same standard to the summers and rubin?
Exactly. If your policies suck it shouldn’t matter if you’re a nominal Democrat, or supporter of Democrats (because aren’t they all supposed to be “non-partisan?” right…..)
You never cease to amaze me with your resources.
the strange thing is though, that the “difficult” things obama has done were not to appeal to the “squishy center” – they were to appeal to the MIC police state folks (fisa) and wall street (the bail out) – both bills were extremely unpopular with the american people.
The topic is being discussed on KO as we blog…
Had the MIC and/or Wall St. folks firmly thrown their support behind McCain do you really think we would be discussing who’s going to be in President Obama’s cabinet?
This reminds me I would like to see Michael Greenberger to head either the CFTC or the SEC.
thanks, but it’s really my bad – i started working on a time line for this history (starting in the early ’90s) with the idea of doing something like i did on last year’s fisa legislative history in the house of representatives. but it kinda got away from me (was a much bigger topic than i originally thought) and i ended up putting it down for a bit before finishing it. which i really should do so anyone who’s interested has it (and the links) as a resource.
nope.
just wanted to point out who obama was appealing to.
agree about greenberger. 110%
how’s this for a wish list”
greenberger at cftc
stiglitz at treasury
roubini to head up the council of economic advisors (krugman second choice)
but then who for the sec and fed?
??? at the sec
??? at the fed
I’ve always been a cockeyed optimist, but I think he may surprise us. Of course, at this point ANYTHING that doesn’t shred the Constitution or crush individual rights or try to drown the Republic in a bucket of Republican dung is a move towards the light…
With the absence of “leaks” from the campaign during the campaign I have to wonder if what we’re seeing are trial balloons. Even though my knowledge in this area is limited I’m suspicious of anyone who had anything to do with the economy in an official way during Clinton’s and Shrub’s administrations.
Roubini would be great. Also under the heading of “people who got it right”, maybe Meredith Whitney? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Whitney
Yes, Stiglitz at Treasury and Greenberger at CFTC or SEC. To tell the truth I don’t know who else to head the SEC who has any cred.
i keep saying that i hope to be proven wrong about obama. would dearly love to be greeted in the morning at fdl to, in addition to your nyt oped summaries and treats, a round of “we told you so!”s
the economic issues i think are so important because 1) the impact world wide (lots of people are going to suffer and die) and 2) i don’t think obama’s presidency can be close to successful if he doesn’t handle this problem quickly and well. the last think i want to see is a right wing backlash in 4 years.
Stugatz Giovanni
You’re absolutely right that there is nothing more important than the economy. Had the international collapse not occurred I would be howling about the frickin’ deficit. My cock-eyed optimism keeps me functioning. I can get out of bed in the morning because I’m a CEO (oooohhh… I like that acronym!).
is that your idea of contributing to a political policy discussion?
Well, he did make his position clear, very concisely… Possibly more delicate phrasing might have been employed…
SD @ 89 – me too. especially when there’s a document trail that has them up to their eyeballs in gramm-like fear of even the most mild forms of regulation (transparency for example).
neilberkman @ 90 – thanks for the link. i don’t know whitney, what post would you recommend? maybe on the council of economic advisors?
hugh @ 91 – maybe greenberger would have a recommendation? would love to see cftc and sec working hand in glove for sensible regulation and oversight.
marion @ 94 – probably a good thing to have a variety of optimists and pessimists. that way at least one of us might be right. *g*
You are right, I misspelled it. It’s stugotz.
The definition(s) at Urban Dictionary are to howl!
I’m from the west side of Chicago, been using it for many moons.
Just to be a bitch… I’m watching Rachel, who from time to time has Ana Marie Cox on the show. Ana Marie was on this evening… By the time I was 8 I knew enough not to wear stuff like that…
We used to use it in the Bronx when I was hanging there in the early to late 60s, with that bit of time out of the country courtesy of the letter that said “Greetings” received by my then boyfriend/became first husband.
i don’t think that’s opinion. just a lame attempt to bully instead of discuss differences of opinion.
Well, seeing as we’re now 4 threads down I doubt there’s really much serious discussion of issues happening now…
Raven, I’m hitting my “I’ve been up too late too many nights in a row” wall. I’ll pop up like the proverbial bad penny with breakfast and the NYT in the morning. Give Lil Bit a scritch behind the ears and a big old sloppy kiss for me. See you on the other side of sleep…
delete
I have a feeling I’m not long for the lake
Don’t EVER say that. Please. The kids need your input about what went on “back then.” I’ve learned that your fierceness masks a huge and gentle heart. You’ve gotta stay — don’t make me involve Norske!
thats a good point, and if that was all it was i’d probably agree. but on this thread it started much earlier (@32?) and as i’ve been at the receiving end for weeks, i’m pretty sure it’s not just epu-land ot banter.
although if i have that wrong, i hope to be corrected.
i agree 100%. just recently have been wishing for a bit more heart.
nite marion and raven. hoping tomorrow is a better day for us all.
I appreciate it. I would have never gotten into this if you hadn’t been the target of a totally inappropriate comment. Where was the moderator then?
It’s odd. I can let a bunch of stuff roll off my back because I’m old enough to remember when people could actually “agree to disagree.” Thanks to that repulsive turd Newt Gingrich and his kindred that’s been made constructively impossible. It’s one of the reasons I have such hope for an Obama administration — he doesn’t remember as far back as I do, but I think he learned about “agreeing to disagree” from people who did. Now, having washed my face and brushed my teeth, I absolutely, positively have to go to bed! Love you…
I have another somewhat unknown but very interesting wild card -but a guy dead right on financial predictions – and its a kind a fun one to look into too: Donald Straszheim. This guy has a remarkably impressive bio. and isn’t a partisan limelight seeker. He seems to love his job and appreciates excellence – perfect for Obama.
In 2003 Straszheim was interviewed by the now psychotic Lou Dobbs”, along with Tom McManus, chief investment strategist at Banc of America Securities.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/1…../index.htm
One didn’t agree with Dobbs and urged caution. His predictions were dead on – that was Straszheim.
While the other agreed with Lou’s rosy future and even suggested that consumers should be encouraged to tap into those unused credit cards, “because they weren’t maxed out yet.”
NOURIEL ROUBINI
ROBERT REICH
He was reasonably prescient, he’s completely progressive, and he’s smart. (Also funny. Also experienced at the policy level.) There is no choice more progressive and practical.
I gotta confess, I find the possibility of J. Stiglitz sort of intriguing, but way odd.
I’d like to see Paul Krugman with the job.
If we could extract the economic logic portion of Krugman’s brain and implant into some one with a managers’ personality, that would be perfect. I think Krugman is too much of an academic, and is interested mainly in research and teaching. He has said he has no interest in any position with real world responsibility and I believe him. Most of the creative minds I have known in academics have little aptitude or interest in a position that requires management skills. There are very rare exceptions, but Krugman himself says that he is not one of them. But… maybe if asked he will sacrifice for his country and his ideas will redeem the managerial chaos of his term.
Roubini seems comfortable with either Summers or Reithner (http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini). I would like to know their ideas to have any sense of things; I like that Reich is on the advisory team. Folks seem to respect Volcker and Buffett as advisors, but I must say to be honest, it appears to me not all that many people know all that much. I like Jeffrey Sachs’ commentaries, but he wants folks to pay their taxes (instead may I say of laying it on their grandchildren at interest), and that is not going to be a big sell. Still, since the people I understand–Roubini and Sachs–seem somewhat optimistic about Obama’s direction, and Obama’s track record at being a lemonade maker has been pretty good so far, at this point I am willing to wait, watch, and get better educated.
Someone with great character and a love of the land and a real knowledge of the West. Maybe Janet Napolitano? Not sure. There are probably a few other names to put on a short list.
Maybe that’s the better position for someone like Sheila Bair.
I think I’d rather see him at Health and Human Services.
Volcker was pretty decent, but I don’t really get the feeling he fits with this administration. How old is he now? I remember him from 1980 and he seemed old then. Of course, I’ve also suggested Alice Rivlin for either Treasury or maybe OMB. Who knows how these individuals feel about their own abilities or where they would like to work. It’s easier for Obama to figure this out.
Lawrence Summers? Africa is “underpolluted”? Girls can’t do science? Egad!
Severely EPU’d. This report at The Guardian has a needed observation about knowledge of “real” Keynes as opposed to ersatz interpretations. I don’t know if it had come to your attention given the politics of recent weeks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..ohn-keynes