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	<title>Comments on: Will The GOP Continue Fighting Voter Access And Participation?</title>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714922</link>
		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As an active Ohio citizen here are my thoughts:&lt;br /&gt;
First, no system will work when there are people of ill-will safeguarding the integrity of the process at all levels- top to bottom. We solved that partially in Ohio by the election of  Jennifer Brunner.  But the Democratic and the Republican parties are in charge of resolving who the candidates for that office will be.  In recent past, one of the parties made that decision deliberately out of ill-will, i.e. Kenneth Blackwell.   Criminal Penalties must be inacted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second, more poll workers &amp; better training. Oddly, some of the problems at polling places occur precisely because poll workers have personal long-time commitment to this citizen work.  Procedures and directives change from election to election and even, within the weeks or day of active voting.  Open-mindedness and nimble thinking can be enhanced among poll workers if the pool of citizens willing to work becomes larger and more diverse in age, profession and class.  This is how the vast number of young and old voting activists- the canvassers and telephone callers in campaign field sites- must help.  Every election cycle some of these activists should chose to join the ranks of poll workers; not necessarily as a lifetime commitment. Every poll worker training session (and there should be more) will be improved by cooperative learning techniques that employ the sharing of knowledge between experienced and novice.&lt;br /&gt;
Three, increase the number of voting rights “poll watchers”.  In a word, more ombudsmen within the polling places: ndividuals whose team-player actions gain the respect and camaraderie of the poll workers.   Poll watchers can see specific situations with a sensitive and objective eye.  (I could tell you stories!) Because these poll watchers have no direct responsibility for any single tedious and repetitious task, they can be very helpful  to poll workers. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Simple but crucial social issues of crowd control, hospitality and childcare are too significant at most polling sites to leave to chance or a poll worker’s split attention. On a personal note, I am proud of the role I played at the busy 6 precinct polling place. Everyone I came in contact with recognized that I was essential to the voting process and, before the polls even opened at 6:30 am, I was appreciated by hard-working poll workers and  voters.  But I also know that my Republican counterpart was unappreciated and  generally ignored (after initially being severely reprimanded)  because of her “hoity-toity” adversarial  and illegal actions!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fourth, bi-partisan Boards of Elections must include third parties.  The duo struggle of self-interest between Republican and Democratic Supervisors is masked in collegial tit for tat. The patronage political appointments often favor unqualified loyalty rather than intelligent open-minded small “d” problem-solving knowledge and skills (especially regarding ballot design.)  Independent, Green, and Libertarians often have “no dog in the fight” and may bring fresh insight into the behind the scenes decision-making.  The 2004 Recount was a perfect example, without the Green party and Libertarians, only Republicans would have seen the “bending of the rules” that was Corruption. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my dream world, I would like BOE’s and e-voting control and counting to be non-partisan and a national ballot for national offices.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an active Ohio citizen here are my thoughts:<br />
First, no system will work when there are people of ill-will safeguarding the integrity of the process at all levels- top to bottom. We solved that partially in Ohio by the election of  Jennifer Brunner.  But the Democratic and the Republican parties are in charge of resolving who the candidates for that office will be.  In recent past, one of the parties made that decision deliberately out of ill-will, i.e. Kenneth Blackwell.   Criminal Penalties must be inacted.</p>
<p>Second, more poll workers &amp; better training. Oddly, some of the problems at polling places occur precisely because poll workers have personal long-time commitment to this citizen work.  Procedures and directives change from election to election and even, within the weeks or day of active voting.  Open-mindedness and nimble thinking can be enhanced among poll workers if the pool of citizens willing to work becomes larger and more diverse in age, profession and class.  This is how the vast number of young and old voting activists- the canvassers and telephone callers in campaign field sites- must help.  Every election cycle some of these activists should chose to join the ranks of poll workers; not necessarily as a lifetime commitment. Every poll worker training session (and there should be more) will be improved by cooperative learning techniques that employ the sharing of knowledge between experienced and novice.<br />
Three, increase the number of voting rights “poll watchers”.  In a word, more ombudsmen within the polling places: ndividuals whose team-player actions gain the respect and camaraderie of the poll workers.   Poll watchers can see specific situations with a sensitive and objective eye.  (I could tell you stories!) Because these poll watchers have no direct responsibility for any single tedious and repetitious task, they can be very helpful  to poll workers. </p>
<p>Simple but crucial social issues of crowd control, hospitality and childcare are too significant at most polling sites to leave to chance or a poll worker’s split attention. On a personal note, I am proud of the role I played at the busy 6 precinct polling place. Everyone I came in contact with recognized that I was essential to the voting process and, before the polls even opened at 6:30 am, I was appreciated by hard-working poll workers and  voters.  But I also know that my Republican counterpart was unappreciated and  generally ignored (after initially being severely reprimanded)  because of her “hoity-toity” adversarial  and illegal actions!  </p>
<p>Fourth, bi-partisan Boards of Elections must include third parties.  The duo struggle of self-interest between Republican and Democratic Supervisors is masked in collegial tit for tat. The patronage political appointments often favor unqualified loyalty rather than intelligent open-minded small “d” problem-solving knowledge and skills (especially regarding ballot design.)  Independent, Green, and Libertarians often have “no dog in the fight” and may bring fresh insight into the behind the scenes decision-making.  The 2004 Recount was a perfect example, without the Green party and Libertarians, only Republicans would have seen the “bending of the rules” that was Corruption. </p>
<p>In my dream world, I would like BOE’s and e-voting control and counting to be non-partisan and a national ballot for national offices.</p>
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		<title>By: JLML</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714303</link>
		<dc:creator>JLML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Op-scans or any other software dependent voting system  invite election tampering because they can be easily and undetectably manipulated. Yes, you have paper ballots but, depending on the state laws, re-counts are cumbersome to obtain and if granted might occur weeks, if not months, after the election has been certified. More importantly  once they leave the public sphere of the polling place the paper ballots are, at best, tainted evidence of the voters’ intent. Lever machines, which, in marked contrast to software dependent voting systems, were designed to deter theft, or paper ballots counted in public view at the polling places on election night are the safest answers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Op-scans or any other software dependent voting system  invite election tampering because they can be easily and undetectably manipulated. Yes, you have paper ballots but, depending on the state laws, re-counts are cumbersome to obtain and if granted might occur weeks, if not months, after the election has been certified. More importantly  once they leave the public sphere of the polling place the paper ballots are, at best, tainted evidence of the voters’ intent. Lever machines, which, in marked contrast to software dependent voting systems, were designed to deter theft, or paper ballots counted in public view at the polling places on election night are the safest answers.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714262</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;/sidebar — it was sweet to see that Rick Santorum’s absentee ballot was challenged on the grounds he really lives in another state.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ha ha ha ha ha&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/sidebar — it was sweet to see that Rick Santorum’s absentee ballot was challenged on the grounds he really lives in another state.</p>
<p>ha ha ha ha ha</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714245</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Except in wet weather, if the paper forms get wet from dripping umbrellas, raincoats, or hats. That messed up the process in at least one place, according to a news report.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except in wet weather, if the paper forms get wet from dripping umbrellas, raincoats, or hats. That messed up the process in at least one place, according to a news report.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714244</link>
		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CT, dakaine and John in Sacramento- ah, yes, that is def when it came up at FDL, now that you’ve jogged my memory.  I don’t remember the date, so I might have a hard time finding the thread. But, it was an interesting and informative discussion- raised the “political dynamics” of the issue to a level I hadn’t thought about before.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CT, dakaine and John in Sacramento- ah, yes, that is def when it came up at FDL, now that you’ve jogged my memory.  I don’t remember the date, so I might have a hard time finding the thread. But, it was an interesting and informative discussion- raised the “political dynamics” of the issue to a level I hadn’t thought about before.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714233</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that’s all i wrote - that harmon wants it. though it was interesting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that’s all i wrote &#8211; that harmon wants it. though it was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714220</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This nation has never had “one man one vote” at the national level.  It does at the state levels. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I guess you and I are going to agree to disagree on this issue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This nation has never had “one man one vote” at the national level.  It does at the state levels. </p>
<p>So I guess you and I are going to agree to disagree on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714212</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why is it a bad thing to have some level of balance equalizing the small states with the large ones?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It violates the principle of one man one vote.  Personally, I think this principle is more important than a vague political balancing act of dubious effectiveness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why is it a bad thing to have some level of balance equalizing the small states with the large ones?</p>
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<p>It violates the principle of one man one vote.  Personally, I think this principle is more important than a vague political balancing act of dubious effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/will-the-gop-continue-fighting-voter-access-and-participation/#comment-1714208</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the purpose was to equalize the small states and the large.  Which purpose is still valid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the purpose was to equalize the small states and the large.  Which purpose is still valid.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yea it was Rudy Guliani’s backers who wanted it on the ballot for this general election (Nov 2008) and for it to become effective immediately. And yea, Issa was involved too&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea it was Rudy Guliani’s backers who wanted it on the ballot for this general election (Nov 2008) and for it to become effective immediately. And yea, Issa was involved too</p>
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