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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714280</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You are left wondering who can be trusted, other than those who have already entered the fight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yeah. and i just don’t trust anyone who didn’t fight. if i’m ever to have any trust in the system again - there will have to be someone at the top who did fight it. and i mean really fight - none of this trying to trim the excesses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a doj with comey in charge will have no respect let alone trust from me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are left wondering who can be trusted, other than those who have already entered the fight.</p>
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<p>yeah. and i just don’t trust anyone who didn’t fight. if i’m ever to have any trust in the system again &#8211; there will have to be someone at the top who did fight it. and i mean really fight &#8211; none of this trying to trim the excesses.</p>
<p>a doj with comey in charge will have no respect let alone trust from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714228</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;215 - “and with so many people apparently willing to go along, i’d only trust someone who really did fight it”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems like hyperbole, but I don’t mean it that way when I say, that is the horror of what is left.  Think how many there are in DOJ.  Thousands.  More thousands.  More thousands.  Lawyers with some of the finest training and resumes.  Now go count the ones who did anything.  Who said anything.  Even after the Gonzales memos, and Abu Ghraib.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s such a shocking deficit that your point is really the ultimate one.  The depth and breadth of the destruction wrought by the “heroes” like Jack Goldsmith (pining over Scherazade being able to “tell her tales” and Comey is pretty absolute.  When there was fight - it came from unexpected places.  Over and over from JAG - who had so much more on the line than anyone in DOJ.  And now and then from lawyers like Sabine Willet, who came from an unlikely commercial bankruptcy realm of experience and ended up dismantling, brick by brick, at least some of the torture facilities that DOJ built. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are left wondering who can be trusted, other than those who have already entered the fight.  And I can’t offer up much on that front.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But it still will be a very bad thing to take someone who was at the heart of the Executive crimes, one way or another, and put them in charge of the institutional repository of justice, even if there doesn’t seem to be much left to loot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>215 &#8211; “and with so many people apparently willing to go along, i’d only trust someone who really did fight it”</p>
<p>It seems like hyperbole, but I don’t mean it that way when I say, that is the horror of what is left.  Think how many there are in DOJ.  Thousands.  More thousands.  More thousands.  Lawyers with some of the finest training and resumes.  Now go count the ones who did anything.  Who said anything.  Even after the Gonzales memos, and Abu Ghraib.  </p>
<p>It’s such a shocking deficit that your point is really the ultimate one.  The depth and breadth of the destruction wrought by the “heroes” like Jack Goldsmith (pining over Scherazade being able to “tell her tales” and Comey is pretty absolute.  When there was fight &#8211; it came from unexpected places.  Over and over from JAG &#8211; who had so much more on the line than anyone in DOJ.  And now and then from lawyers like Sabine Willet, who came from an unlikely commercial bankruptcy realm of experience and ended up dismantling, brick by brick, at least some of the torture facilities that DOJ built. </p>
<p>You are left wondering who can be trusted, other than those who have already entered the fight.  And I can’t offer up much on that front.  </p>
<p>But it still will be a very bad thing to take someone who was at the heart of the Executive crimes, one way or another, and put them in charge of the institutional repository of justice, even if there doesn’t seem to be much left to loot.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714176</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Laura Rozen has a piece up at MJ about Harman’s maneuvering for DNI.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THAT would be interesting. She’s certainly got a resume.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Laura Rozen has a piece up at MJ about Harman’s maneuvering for DNI.</p>
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<p>THAT would be interesting. She’s certainly got a resume.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714164</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
bill bradley on fox, he has a good brain. where could he be used?
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&lt;p&gt;Interesting. Hmmm. I would hesitate to suggest anything and would prefer to ask him what he might like to do. A person like that usually already has interests. Maybe National Science Foundation or Dept. of Interior, who knows.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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bill bradley on fox, he has a good brain. where could he be used?
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<p>Interesting. Hmmm. I would hesitate to suggest anything and would prefer to ask him what he might like to do. A person like that usually already has interests. Maybe National Science Foundation or Dept. of Interior, who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714158</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;a triumverate for Head of Veteran’s Affairs: Raven, Norske, and Southern Dragon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds more like the Council for Goth Affairs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if Bob Kerrey would be interested. He’s a vet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a triumverate for Head of Veteran’s Affairs: Raven, Norske, and Southern Dragon.</p>
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<p>Sounds more like the Council for Goth Affairs.</p>
<p>I wonder if Bob Kerrey would be interested. He’s a vet.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714145</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sec Def - Wesley Clark&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or maybe Homeland Security&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sec Def &#8211; Wesley Clark</p>
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<p>or maybe Homeland Security</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714143</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;overton window&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>overton window</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714139</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You really need someone unassociated, either on the good or bad side, with the atrocities and Executive Branch crimes to date to be able to undertake a realistic approach that incorporate integrity, equity and long haul (vs short run political payoff) pragmatism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you’re probably right - but i also want someone who wouldn’t have gone along with it, who would have fought it. and with so many people apparently willing to go along, i’d only trust someone who really did fight it. don’t know how to cut through that knot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks for the link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You really need someone unassociated, either on the good or bad side, with the atrocities and Executive Branch crimes to date to be able to undertake a realistic approach that incorporate integrity, equity and long haul (vs short run political payoff) pragmatism.</p>
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<p>you’re probably right &#8211; but i also want someone who wouldn’t have gone along with it, who would have fought it. and with so many people apparently willing to go along, i’d only trust someone who really did fight it. don’t know how to cut through that knot.</p>
<p>thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714136</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is also Michelle Hirshman, she was the brains behind Spitzer’s success as NYS AG.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Criminal div. ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is also Michelle Hirshman, she was the brains behind Spitzer’s success as NYS AG.</p>
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<p>Criminal div. ?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/05/fantasy-football-doj-edition/#comment-1714118</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I just cannot think of anyone who woulkd do a better job than he would&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;part of being able to do the job is having the trust and confidence of the public. even if i’m all wrong about comey - if he were running the doj, i wouldn’t have &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; trust in the legal system of this country. and i would advise others not to either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that means not sending whistler blowers to doj, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we americans so need to be able to have some reason to trust the legal system again - and comey just can’t do that. we need people untainted in anyway by the clusterfuck that the last eight years has been.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I just cannot think of anyone who woulkd do a better job than he would</p>
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<p>part of being able to do the job is having the trust and confidence of the public. even if i’m all wrong about comey &#8211; if he were running the doj, i wouldn’t have <em>any</em> trust in the legal system of this country. and i would advise others not to either.</p>
<p>that means not sending whistler blowers to doj, etc.</p>
<p>we americans so need to be able to have some reason to trust the legal system again &#8211; and comey just can’t do that. we need people untainted in anyway by the clusterfuck that the last eight years has been.</p>
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