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		<title>By: Mason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709279</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Q: isn’t it illegal to claim you have not been convicted when you have?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A: Generally, it isn’t, unless you are under oath when you deny the conviction. This question often appears on employment applications in which the applicant is warned that a false answer will result in the applicant’s rejection, or if already hired, the applicant’s termination. There are federal and state laws that criminalize voting, if the voter has a prior felony conviction. A felony is defined by statute as any crime for which the maximum sentence of imprisonment exceeds one year. Stevens was convicted of multiple federal felonies. I’d have to check the federal voting statute to see how the word “conviction” is defined because no conviction is “final” until the appellate process has been completed and the conviction has been upheld. I don’t believe the federal statute defines “conviction” as a “final” conviction and my answers are based on this assumption.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Q: at the very least, if there is no specific crime, isn’t it contempt of court?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A: No, it would not be contempt of court, unless the court ordered the person not to vote, which may have happened in Stevens’s case after the jury delivered its verdict. The Court has the authority to remand a convicted defendant into custody pending sentencing. If the Court decides to permit the convicted defendant to remain free pending sentencing, it always imposes conditions of release and a prohibition against voting may be one of the conditions. If not, since voting is a crime, Stevens would have violated one of the standard condition of release; namely, do not commit any crimes. Assuming a violation, the matter would not be handled as a contempt. Instead, the pretrial supervision officer would advise the Assistant United States Attorney who tried the case and file a motion to revoke the release. The court would hold a hearing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Q: can a person file a grievance as a friend of the court against stevens?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A: No, because the proper procedure is to contact the Assistant United States Attorney who prosecuted the case, the lead investigator, or the pretrial release officer supervising the defendant’s conditional release. Contact the Pretrial Supervision Department of the United States Probation Office in the city where the case was tried, which is Washington D.C. in Stevens’s case. Note, however, that his probation officer probably works out of the Anchorage office since Stevens lives there. Check with the D.C. office to find out. When defendants reside outside the district where the case is pending in the federal system, supervision of the defendant’s pretrial release is assigned to the pretrial office in the district where the defendant resides. That probation officer would report any violations to the court where the case is pending. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To avoid a yes-you did; no-I-didn’t situation, a photograph or video would be helpful although every voter has to sign-in when they vote, so the sign-in list should be consulted and probably would be by an official with access to the list, if a complaint results in an investigation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, with so many people voting early, Stevens may have voted absentee, or by mail before the jury returned its verdict. If so, he would not have violated the law, but his vote should not be counted. You would have to check with the State of Alaska, assuming that’s where he’s registered to vote, to find out if it allows early voting. I think each state maintains a list of the people who voted absentee, or early, and that list should be checked to see if and when Stevens voted. If he voted early or absentee after the jury delivered its verdict, he’s got some splainin to do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: isn’t it illegal to claim you have not been convicted when you have?</p>
<p>A: Generally, it isn’t, unless you are under oath when you deny the conviction. This question often appears on employment applications in which the applicant is warned that a false answer will result in the applicant’s rejection, or if already hired, the applicant’s termination. There are federal and state laws that criminalize voting, if the voter has a prior felony conviction. A felony is defined by statute as any crime for which the maximum sentence of imprisonment exceeds one year. Stevens was convicted of multiple federal felonies. I’d have to check the federal voting statute to see how the word “conviction” is defined because no conviction is “final” until the appellate process has been completed and the conviction has been upheld. I don’t believe the federal statute defines “conviction” as a “final” conviction and my answers are based on this assumption.</p>
<p>Q: at the very least, if there is no specific crime, isn’t it contempt of court?</p>
<p>A: No, it would not be contempt of court, unless the court ordered the person not to vote, which may have happened in Stevens’s case after the jury delivered its verdict. The Court has the authority to remand a convicted defendant into custody pending sentencing. If the Court decides to permit the convicted defendant to remain free pending sentencing, it always imposes conditions of release and a prohibition against voting may be one of the conditions. If not, since voting is a crime, Stevens would have violated one of the standard condition of release; namely, do not commit any crimes. Assuming a violation, the matter would not be handled as a contempt. Instead, the pretrial supervision officer would advise the Assistant United States Attorney who tried the case and file a motion to revoke the release. The court would hold a hearing.</p>
<p>Q: can a person file a grievance as a friend of the court against stevens?</p>
<p>A: No, because the proper procedure is to contact the Assistant United States Attorney who prosecuted the case, the lead investigator, or the pretrial release officer supervising the defendant’s conditional release. Contact the Pretrial Supervision Department of the United States Probation Office in the city where the case was tried, which is Washington D.C. in Stevens’s case. Note, however, that his probation officer probably works out of the Anchorage office since Stevens lives there. Check with the D.C. office to find out. When defendants reside outside the district where the case is pending in the federal system, supervision of the defendant’s pretrial release is assigned to the pretrial office in the district where the defendant resides. That probation officer would report any violations to the court where the case is pending. </p>
<p>To avoid a yes-you did; no-I-didn’t situation, a photograph or video would be helpful although every voter has to sign-in when they vote, so the sign-in list should be consulted and probably would be by an official with access to the list, if a complaint results in an investigation.</p>
<p>However, with so many people voting early, Stevens may have voted absentee, or by mail before the jury returned its verdict. If so, he would not have violated the law, but his vote should not be counted. You would have to check with the State of Alaska, assuming that’s where he’s registered to vote, to find out if it allows early voting. I think each state maintains a list of the people who voted absentee, or early, and that list should be checked to see if and when Stevens voted. If he voted early or absentee after the jury delivered its verdict, he’s got some splainin to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709247</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can’t seem to get a reply to Crosstimbers @ 91&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excellent point. This is exactly the problem with concentrating wealth. Capitalist, free market systems depend on consumer demand. After the wealthy buy their five mansions, yacht, private jet, and twelve automobiles, that’s it. They invest their wealth in real estate, stocks or whatever. For the most part they don’t buy things, certainly not enough to keep something like an automobile industry going. Demand comes from the middle and lower classes because there’s more of them. If they have the money they buy stuff and that gets things going.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our present economic problem has three solutions. We print money to bail out everyone in sight which should be very inflationary, but has not been as yet; we ask our creditors to cut us slack so we invent new stuff and put our people to work; or we tax the wealthy and use their money to prime the pump or a combination. We cannot change things without increasing demand and we can’t increase demand unless we decide to trickle up rather than trickle down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can’t seem to get a reply to Crosstimbers @ 91</p>
<p>Excellent point. This is exactly the problem with concentrating wealth. Capitalist, free market systems depend on consumer demand. After the wealthy buy their five mansions, yacht, private jet, and twelve automobiles, that’s it. They invest their wealth in real estate, stocks or whatever. For the most part they don’t buy things, certainly not enough to keep something like an automobile industry going. Demand comes from the middle and lower classes because there’s more of them. If they have the money they buy stuff and that gets things going.</p>
<p>Our present economic problem has three solutions. We print money to bail out everyone in sight which should be very inflationary, but has not been as yet; we ask our creditors to cut us slack so we invent new stuff and put our people to work; or we tax the wealthy and use their money to prime the pump or a combination. We cannot change things without increasing demand and we can’t increase demand unless we decide to trickle up rather than trickle down.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709239</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;every polling palce in this county is covered by at least 1 attorney.  many will have 2.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every polling palce in this county is covered by at least 1 attorney.  many will have 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709235</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wasn’t the rationale that they had to go with “supply side” economics in order to break the upward spiral of inflation?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn’t the rationale that they had to go with “supply side” economics in order to break the upward spiral of inflation?</p>
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		<title>By: BearCountry</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709234</link>
		<dc:creator>BearCountry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sure that I will be called a troll, but this has bothered me for quite a long while.  The dems have done some things to fight voter suppression, but not much effectively to battle vote flipping.  I looked at the sites that Christie said to check and there is nothing there about lawyers fighting the current real-time machine flips.  We have had eight years and little to nothing has been done by those in a position to do something.  All the GOTV efforts may do, given this situation, is help mccain.  I will cast my vote for Obama, but don’t be surprised Wednesday morning to see that mccain has won a close race ala Truman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6607#more-6607&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bradblog&lt;/a&gt; for an up-to-date look at the voting machine problems.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sure that I will be called a troll, but this has bothered me for quite a long while.  The dems have done some things to fight voter suppression, but not much effectively to battle vote flipping.  I looked at the sites that Christie said to check and there is nothing there about lawyers fighting the current real-time machine flips.  We have had eight years and little to nothing has been done by those in a position to do something.  All the GOTV efforts may do, given this situation, is help mccain.  I will cast my vote for Obama, but don’t be surprised Wednesday morning to see that mccain has won a close race ala Truman.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6607#more-6607" rel="nofollow">Bradblog</a> for an up-to-date look at the voting machine problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m no economist, but I’ve wondered why liberals never used the term “demand side” to explain that “supply side” economics is not the only possible theory.  If the mid and lower end of the economic scale have money, will not “entrepreneurs” find ways and means to supply the goods and services they demand.  Isn’t that at least as likely as the theory that if wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, they will employ most of it to expand production and services to provide jobs, particularly in a world market for labor?  It seems to me that there is no such thing as an American company anymore, whereas there definitely are American workers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m no economist, but I’ve wondered why liberals never used the term “demand side” to explain that “supply side” economics is not the only possible theory.  If the mid and lower end of the economic scale have money, will not “entrepreneurs” find ways and means to supply the goods and services they demand.  Isn’t that at least as likely as the theory that if wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few, they will employ most of it to expand production and services to provide jobs, particularly in a world market for labor?  It seems to me that there is no such thing as an American company anymore, whereas there definitely are American workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709232</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/the-robocall-nobody-wants-to-own/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New post&lt;/a&gt; from Jane: The Robocall Nobody Wants To Own&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/the-robocall-nobody-wants-to-own/" rel="nofollow">New post</a> from Jane: The Robocall Nobody Wants To Own</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/03/working-toward-a-better-community-better-opportunities-for-us-all/#comment-1709231</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:aliasofwestgate@87&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;aliasofwestgate@87&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The CT shoreline sadly has run out of Obama/Biden signs, buttons, bumperstickers you name it. We have none zilch. People have to make up their own signs, or improvise with card stock. I can’t understand why we are being ignored in this. But then CT is not exactly battleground territory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:aliasofwestgate@87" rel="nofollow">aliasofwestgate@87</a><br />
The CT shoreline sadly has run out of Obama/Biden signs, buttons, bumperstickers you name it. We have none zilch. People have to make up their own signs, or improvise with card stock. I can’t understand why we are being ignored in this. But then CT is not exactly battleground territory.</p>
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		<title>By: kdh22</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdh22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mui1: If Reid knows what’s best for him and the party, he better not back down from his statement the other day re: HolyJoe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sadly:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This one’s for the new generation from the old generation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The link’s not working. Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mui1: If Reid knows what’s best for him and the party, he better not back down from his statement the other day re: HolyJoe.</p>
<p>sadly:</p>
<p>This one’s for the new generation from the old generation:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8</a></p>
<p>The link’s not working. Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes!</p>
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		<title>By: aliasofwestgate</title>
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		<dc:creator>aliasofwestgate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to work today and tomorrow. I plan on being awake at the crack of dawn to vote. The most i can do is make sure that others are going to vote at work, and i’m betting all my coworkers will. We did last time around,and will again. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I live on the west side of michigan, but i’m still betting this side is going heavily to Obama. Downtown is plastered with the signs, which is more than i can say for the McLame ones.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to work today and tomorrow. I plan on being awake at the crack of dawn to vote. The most i can do is make sure that others are going to vote at work, and i’m betting all my coworkers will. We did last time around,and will again. </p>
<p>I live on the west side of michigan, but i’m still betting this side is going heavily to Obama. Downtown is plastered with the signs, which is more than i can say for the McLame ones.</p>
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