Let’s spell this out plain, the most important principle behind every major bailout initiative has been this: the current leadership of the financial sector must be mostly left in place and must not be punished. (Caveat: unless Paulson doesn’t personally like them, as with Lehman’s CEO.)
Paulson’s insistence on not putting in real effective executive compensation limits is case one. Case two is the way capital injections are being done. Be clear, the banks are effectively insolvent, they cannot continue to operate without extensive government help. Nonetheless, at the end of the day, governments are not actually taking the final step of nationalization.
Oh, lots of people are screaming about nationalization, but the rule of power is that only control matters. If you have 49.9% of a company, and I have 50.1% of the company, I have control.
These people who are being left in charge are both incompetent and crooks. In order to book the profits they used to justify their 8 digit salaries they engaged in systematic fraud and they knew they were doing it. Leaving them in charge says that governments are not yet actually serious about this crisis.
It also follows rule #1 of modern elites, especially but not exclusively, American elites, though Europeans are somewhat better.
Elites are not to be held responsible for the repercussions of their actions.
The icons of this are George Bush, and Nancy Pelosi, with her refusal to impeach him. Congress in general, and the House in particular, with its repeated unwillingness to use inherent contempt, has continued this game of "pretend oversight", where they call on people to testify then splutter uselessly when they either refuse to do so or blatantly lie on the stand.
This isn’t an accident, this is a philosophy. Ever since Nixon was taken down, the elites have been united around one basic principle: that personal responsibility is only for the little people. If banks screw up, trillions will be found to bail them out and the executives will be protected. If you can’t afford your mortgage, too bad, you’re out on your butt and no, Congress won’t be amending bankruptcy laws. Nor is there 700 billion or 2 trillion for ordinary people, at most it’ll be 150 billion, with a bare outside possibility of 300.
Western elites are a completely insular and almost entirely closed group that lives inside their own bubble. The past 30 years have been great for them, they’re richer than they’ve ever been and everyone who matters to them is doing great. This isn’t quite as true of European elites, but with their disgust that the hoi polloi might vote against their beloved European constitution repeatedly — because ordinary folks "don’t know what’s good for them" — and their continued attempts to create a new constitution without having to put it to a democratic vote, they are far from innocent. Meanwhile American politicians barely even pretend, with Democrats point blank refusing to end the war and hold Bush to account, even though that is what they were elected to do in 2006.
And so, because these venal incompetents, who have mismanaged the world for decades, put themselves and their own class interests before that of the general population, we are going to have to walk this road again. Even if the current "fixes" work, because the people who caused the crisis have not been removed and because the necessary regulatory changes have not been made, the crisis will happen again. And next time, and next time is only a few years away, the crisis will lead to a Great Depression, because when it was still fixable, saving bank executives’ jobs was the main focus instead of fixing the underlying problems.
Related posts:
- Rule of Law Held Hostage: GOP Continues to Smear Johnsen While Reid “Works on It”
- Obama’s Weekly Address: The Consumer Financial Protection Agency
- Financial Regulation Reform: Give Us Your Talking Points
- Cramdown: Why Were the Misleading Arguments of the Mortgage Bankers Association Successful?
- The Consumer Financial Protection Agency: A Small Victory for the Good Guys





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ZED!
Wonder how many trillions this is going to cost before we get smart.
Sorry to come in way off topic Ian….
But those crazy Quebecois appear to have pranked Palin big time.
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With the former head of Goldman Sachs at the helm at Treasury, no one could have anticipated Rule #1.
Of course, since this is the administration that commuted Scooter Libby’s sentence, we all know what they think of the whole concept of accountability.
PT Barnum might have an answer for you . . .
Hi Pups Time for you to Digg this Post from Ian!!
I think Jane noticed that earlier.
Whoops – re: the Prankin’ of Palin by those French Phoques…. sorry, Ms H beat me too that one downthread.
But, I suppose that this is not so surprising given that those French have a different word for just about everything…
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Yep “A Sucker is Born every Minuet”! And We are the suckers in this case because of Paulson and his politically handling the money… Now don’t tell me it is not who you know!!
And here is the ‘phoque’ thing, which probably did as much as anything to save Canuckistan’s electoral back bacon from a Conservative majority a couple of weeks ago…….
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Ian, if you have control of 50.1% of a bank, I’d really like to know which one.
Will we see any change after Tuesday’s election?
I highly doubt it!!!!!
Who can we get to replace them? Is anybody in Congress going to stop these guys from getting bonuses?
Dugg, thanks for the link.
Thanks Ian.
Wonder how many trillions this is going to cost before we get smart.
all of ‘em?
Peterr
How you doing? Everything okay at chez r?
Shuster is playing it on MSNBC now – in full….
Thanks Ian.
Little tiny hand raised here.
Ian
I expect the “great depression” will be more than a few years away as the current recession will last that long… unless the recession will just bleed into a depression.
Here’s hoping Obama is a closet FDR…
You think Paulson’s going to put the cuffs on himself? While CEO of Goldman Sachs they were selling mortgage backed CDOs and SHORTING those very same investment vehicles. No, nothing is going to be done to these criminals.
Don’t forget the economic Elites love to claim they are all regular Joes and that smart people are the enemy.
Plus We are all effte when John is the one wearing Bruno Magli shoes that cost as much as my last used car did. That and Sarah wears clothes that cost more than ever car I have ever bought put together.
No amount of Money and Clothes can make what you say smart, however it can make you look effete.
We have to get these jokers out because even if we do bail them out they will go back to their old tricks soon enough.
But if a few lose their jobs the others should straighten up.
Thanks, Ian.
The past 130 years have been great for them ever since they turned their backs on Reconstruction, aligned with Northern financial interests, pitted southern yeoman farmers against the newly freed blacks, and set out to prevent any working class solidarity exist in any part of the country.
It;s time Americans begin to realize that a worker to a capitalist is the same as the famous widget of econ 101, just another input to be used up and discarded.
Capitalists do not anthropomorphize their workers…we don’t have flesh and blood, therefore, we don’t need health care nor do we need retirement funds.
And you are correct again, Ian. Congress will not do anything to help working Americans and Pelosi and her enabling congress are totally complicit in this grand larceny.
David Gordon told a group of us 20 years ago that supply-side economics would bankrupt this country…he was right, of course.
Maybe Merit hiring should be done the old boy network of right school, right family etc has led to group think in Corporate America.
OT: My apologies, but we got a letter today. The notice from our health care insurance provider requires that we provide company taxes for the last two years, personal (partners) Sched K tax forms for the last two years, and company unemployment filings. Looking at the notice, it is aimed at ANY business (farmers, partnerships, S-Corps, etc) claiming small-business status. Does anyone know what would have triggered this? We are going to ask our broker Monday, but I can’t get the question out of my mind as why do they want our tax information to provide health insurance.
Hells bells. They are who they are. I don’t think they’ve stopped their old tricks.
But, that’s just me.
Again, you were marvelous yesterday at the John C. live interview. I didn’t see any follow up. Did you?
No info here. But, I understand why it’s on your mind. My mind is kinda full right now too.
I think a lot of people are either out working for O right now, or in bed with the blanket pulled over.
Rough times.
i’ve been trying to think this through… where i’m at today (dog only knows what i’ll think tomorrow) is that the elites who call themselves Democrats actually have far more in common with the elites who call themselves Republican than they do with us.
what i think happened with Nixon is that there was a genuine fracture within the elites and the repercussions weren’t just that a few people went to jail and a president had to resign in disgrace – the fracture opened up a fissure that for a while allowed information to come out. i’m thinking here of the church commission investigations and similar. but this was way beyond what was intended. we weren’t ever supposed to learn that stuff – especially so soon after it had happened.
well, eventually things got put back together (pardons and elite welfare helped). but then came bush 43 – and he’s fucked up pretty bad. not any of the elite had much of a problem with the iraq war or the looting of the economy or any of bush’s other policies…. but he was supposed to be a little more competent about doing it and this had started to turn some of the elite against him. that scared the shit out of most of the rest of the elite – at least those who remember the nixon era.
no wonder so many pundits talk up bipartisanship as though it is the greatest good we should aspire to. and remember the unity ‘08 campaign?
in the midst of all this comes a smart, articulate and presumably semi-competent politician promising first and foremost – unity. bipartisanship. reaching across the aisle.
this, i think, is obama’s elite appeal – why he’s supported by both Democratic and Republican elites who pretend to have completely different world views and ideologies. obama promises to heal the divisions that started to develop during the bush era – divisions within the elite though, not the divisions that affect us.
What is the Dog thing?
You can’t say the God word?
We are trying to decide if they want to get rid of businesses that might be having problems or they want to ensure they are providing coverage only to actual businesses. I understand why someone deciding to get us a loan asks for these things, but health insurance?
Rough is right. Got a brand spanking new cold kickin’ my ass. Best thing about it is I can sit and read or chat here and not feel guilty. Just cleanin’ out the litter boxes wore me out. Couldn’t do BayWalk tonight, though. That pisses me off.
The Worst Financial Crisis Since The Great Depression
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i don’t actually think there is a god.
It’s hard for me to imagine what their motivations are.
Still, you do your best research and then make the best choice. Is there some agency where you live to ask? State, local…?
hope you feel better soon SD.
Corporate Welfare…Worse Than You Could Have Imagined!
you don’t think gold is being affected by the bursting of a speculative bubble or deflationary pressure?
Take care of yourself, SD.
Nope!! But if a few go to jail for long sentences and not to some Federal White Collar resort but to one of the Big Houses and then get put in the General population, just watch how fast them clean up their act and we get good governance of the companies. all you need is just a few high profile CEO’s going to Leavenworth and things would change!!
Oh, honey. I’ve got a big pot of chicken soup, if you want some.
Raining here. My honey’s out at band practice both boy’s are out and an hour ago I got a call from my fairy godmother. Her husband died last nite and I’m just starring at the fire in the fireplace.
If needed, we’ll call the Washington State Insurance Commissioner’s office, but I doubt we will get anywhere, unless there is a big up roar. As farmers are clearly included, that may very well happen.
PS Too bad you don’t still live in Tujunga. I bet I’d have some live not virtual company.
Not complaining.
it’s the inverse Colin Powell Pottery Barn rule:
the bought-teary porn (there, there now: you bought it, it broke, no worries, we’ll fix it for you and eat the cost)
Do that and best of luck!
last night schumer was on charlie rose – and he was going on and on about how all this deregulation was a problem – of course never mentioning that he had been one of the big deregulation cheerleaders. he also discussed his ideas about what kind of regulation there should be (i think he wants it all consolidated within the SEC – probably because the overlapping and redundant system that stiglitz has recommended would be more difficult for the likes of schumer to manipulate.
anyway, thought this was just the most recent example of ian’s:
Elites are not to be held responsible for the repercussions of their actions.
good luck.
I have listened to several economic professors and lay people describing what happened and how. What is especially interesting to me is the desire not to blame anyone specifically.
I heard Krugman call out Greenspan, but he didn’t say that he did anything that he should go to jail for. I’ve also heard a few mention Phil Gramm. But when you change the law, so that what you do is not illegal what can you do?
I think that lots of people want to know that specific people got in trouble for all of this. That is something that is missing.
The guy who steals food from the corner store has a greater chance of getting punished than the people who brought us this crisis. Part of the reason is that we can see the individual and see the act for what it is.
When you see people manipulating money on a computer it isn’t as tangible as someone stealing something physical.
I wish there was a team of people who would track down and recover the money. Maybe we could make it a game show. “Billionaire Bounty Hunters”
I don’t have any substantive arguments with that.
Demi and Selise,
I’ll let you know what actually turns up. Thanks for the support.
Best of luck for you on that too.
But, the question was why say thank dog?
You’ve never struck me as a person who uses words to be clever.
Can’t we let the guy get elected first?
There will be plenty of time to rip him a new one should it be deserved over the next four years.
Why so quick to make him the “healer of the elites”?
Here’s a guy who’s run a brilliant campaign, seems to be a good father & husband, voted against the war, raised hundreds of millions of dollars after starting from zero, defeated Hillary Clinton and the Democratic machine that wanted her to be the nominee, is bright & accomplished, but he’s not ‘progressive’ enough for many of us here.
A classic case of throwing out the good in search of the perfect.
And, btw the ‘perfect’ progressive wouldn’t make it out of the primaries.
Just ask Kucinich, who I think the world of.
We’re here to help. *g*
If you find something really useful, please share it here. There are a lot of people who don’t comment but do read.
i think there is a desire not to criticize politicians in your own party. the problem is that the deregulation that allowed this to happen was pretty much bipartisan. bad guys were gramm, ewing, leach and greenspan, but also rubin, summers and clinton. and lots more.
there were far fewer people who tried to prevent it: brooksley born, michael greenberger, markey, defazio, charles bowsher are the ones i’ve found so far.
A-fucking-men.
Thank you, Ian.
IMO Paulson fits the description of the world’s # 1 Economic Hit Man.
The results of his manipulations are evidence of that.
Ian, since the banks are not abiding by Congress’s purported intent, can the remainder of the $700 Billion be withheld from Paulson? Or did that get left out of the legislation, too?
I’m sorry selise, I got called away.
Sure those helped the moves but they were counted on by the ‘powers that be’. They know (unlike Greenspan) that investors are greedy by nature and they count on that.
The prices for gold, oil and DJI are directly tied to the worth of the dollar. When that goes down, anything represnted by dollars goes up. The artilce I linked shows how the price of gold isn’t acting the way it should. Interesting to say the least.
i’m not making him anything, just trying to understand what’s happening. i threw it out there to be shot down if possible – but not because it’s unpleasant, because it’s wrong.
and btw – he didn’t vote against the war. he gave a speech against it.
i don’t think there’s plenty of time and i don’t see how what i’ve written is in anyway undermining his ability to get elected. he’s made it clear he doesn’t want or need my help.
as a way to use a common phrase without making it a statement of belief. it’s something anyone can say regardless of what they believe.
but i get the impression you find it offensive? is that so? would you like me to stop using it? i meant no offense, and if it causes trouble for you i’d be happy to stop.
Perhaps you are not aware of the power of the word.
Perhaps you ant not aware of how many people see you as a powerful voice.
I wish you would.
You can say whatever you want.
Dog has no authority for me.
can you help me? i don’t understand the problem but would like to.
as a way to use a common phrase without making it a statement of belief. it’s something anyone can say regardless of what they believe.
Perhaps you don’t realize it, but it does make a statement about what you believe. For me anyway.
Great post, Ian!
I didn’t realize it during the 1990s, but the reason we’re in the fix you describe I now lay at the feet of Bill Clinton and Terry McAuliffe, who decided that the path to success for Democrats was to copy the Republican Corporatist model and make friends with Big Money. This has been the DLC model ever since. Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emmanuel have all bought into this approach. And, I fear, so even has Chris Dodd, whose solutions to the banking crisis show protectionism of the elite. Thus has the Democratic Party buy into the oligarchic model of governance that you describe.
I have the hope that Obama, with his background as a community organizer, has a different world in view. At this point, he is our best hope as a way out of the development of a permanent elite class.
But we should also remember that this is not the first time. What about the beginning of the 20th century, when railroad barons and bankers seemed to control everything?
Bob in HI
Selise, I’m just not in the mood. I can’t. I’m grieving and I’m going to bed to read. That means I can’t pull the covers over my head, ’cause that will block the light.
We’ll talk later. I do like talking to you. I’m sure you know that.
hugs.
but not only the dollar.
and i have a hard time thinking that “they know everyone’s trading positions and the precise location of most of the toxic waste and credit default swap counterparty liability.” i’d need some pretty serious evidence for that one and i just don’t see it.
another time then. take care.
thanks, hon. :)
Your comment can’t be ’shot down’ for being ‘wrong’; none of us know what he’ll become if/when he assumes office.
So all that’s left to comment on is what you correctly assumed I found to be ‘unpleasant’. I look at a set of facts regarding his background and come to one conclusion, you look at them and conclude “elite appeal”, which sounds an awful lot like a Republican talking point.
I found that ridiculous when McCain said it, I find it ridiculous now.
Of course you are correct here, and I knew that.
i only heard one voice vote for sander’s very reasonable amendment to the bailout bill (make the rich pay for less than half of it via a 5 year tax). on economic matters, its looks to me that we, the dem base have exactly one ally in the senate and he’s not even a dem.
house is better, there are a few – maybe a handful.
how else do you explain the actions of the dems in congress then – if they don’t share core beliefs with the republicans?
is there a correlation between being a good parent and being a good president? between raising lots of money and being a good president?
i don’t think obama is not “progressive enough” – i don’t think he is progressive at all (except his tech policy that lessig wrote – that one seems pretty good).
most importantly, isn’t it ok for us to disagree? can’t we still be allies even if we don’t support the same politicians so long as we agree on a lot of things (health care as a right, economic and social justice, etc)?
Golly gosh, Ian.
We’re in this hand basket and heading where? I have my theory (you may need some tinfoil) where the first line in the sand was drawn in 1913. The hidden agenda of the elites had a double whammy that year. First, the 16th amendment — now, twice before there had been income taxes imposed, justified by war … but this amendment was a long-term stealth attack on non-elites. What was described as a “class tax” fooled ordinary citizens into believing it could not happen to them.
And then, right at the end of the year, the passage of the Federal Reserve Act. This fiendish device enabled, among other things, the U.S. involvement in World War One. First, in setting up the ‘allied war bonds’ to assist the British. Which certainly assisted the JP Morgan outfit — first, empowered to issue the bonds, and thus earning a fee. And then, being assigned as procurement office to arrange goods for shipment. Another fee … and a tidy profit in assigning supply contracts to Morgan owned or controlled companies.
Of course, the Fed, set up to stabilise the economy, did its best to create the Great Depression. But to cut to the chase …
The next paramount event came in 1940. What would one expect from peace talk even as the 1940 conscription act was passed? And yes, despite the Neutrality Act, there were overt and covert activities again to the aid the British. Even with money that did not exist. Thus, into the American entry into World War Two. Yamamoto was somewhat right in saying after the Pearl Harbor attack: “We have awakened a sleeping giant.” Indeed.
U.S. manufacturing capability ramped up warfare production. Something like 40% of GDP during the war years eventually was balanced out — against claims that the U.S. held 80% of the world’s gold reserves.
Now, the wartime production was actually the start of what Eisenhower later cautioned the country against in his farewell speech: ‘the military-industrial-congressional-complex. (see wikipedia) Ike was persuaded to drop that one unfortunate word … at any rate, I perceive the MIC origin in the 1940s and never going away.
I believe post-WW2 American prosperity was bought with the gold reserves. All was well until those damned foreigners started to redeem U.S. dollars for gold. And Tricky Dicky smashed Bretton Woods, breaking the final link to gold, floating the dollar. Really, the US$ has been sinking ever since 1913 in real terms. Busy lad in 1971, that Nixon. He also gave us the ‘war on drugs. But I digress.
Every step on the way has been part of that elitist agenda.
And now, while everyone was distracted by the ‘look over here’re the bailout bamboozle, in excess of 5 trillion dollars was wafting about in various ways, courtesy of Ben the Barnacle and Pontiff Paulson. There was a chart in the NYT last month breaking down much of this. I doubt we will ever know the whole extent of the interventions.
Sigh. The trouble with a long life, living through history that many people only ever read about — you grow beyond the myths you were taught when young, and decades later, still look for The Answer. It’s not 42.
Not defending all dems in congress, just addressing Obama here.
The point I was trying to make is look at the whole of the man; how he’s gone about his business I think tells you a lot about his judgment thus far.
It gives me confidence in him going forward. And if it turns out I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it.
As I’ve said before, I think you are wrong about that, but I hope we will get a chance to find out who was right over the next 4-8 years.
To effect the type of change I think you and I both want, you have to win first. Throwing stones from outside the building only takes you so far.
And as I said before, progressive as he is, Kucinich is back here with me in Ohio.
Of course it’s ok for us to disagree. You and I often do, but I enjoy the discourse. If everyone here were just ‘yes men/women’ to all liberal/progressive causes, FDL would be far less interesting.
I hope you’re right, and I think the huge number of individual contributions will free Obama from the need to obey the corporatist elites.
great. we’re good then. i was getting a little worried about the republican talking points thing.
When someone steals a loaf of bread they challenge the rightness of the system and obviously have to be brought back into line. The same idea on a larger scale is when Japan was doing well with it’s semi-socialist system and showing up the U.S. system. They had to be smacked down so Wall Street could keep control of the system.
However, when the lawgivers argue amongst themselves it isn’t so easy for one to smack down the other — though Paulson put Lehman out of business.
I think we are in an interesting new time which politicians are faintly aware of and Wall Street only hears as an echo from a great distance, that the Internet is letting the public have their say and driving politics and influencing Law which does relate to Wall Street. The Public is saying they’re the new Mob and everybody had better listen up.
Whether the Depression will wipe us all out (a la 1930s) and quiet our dissent or perhaps something else new and different happens is yet to be seen.