Having cut a desperate ad implying that Kay Hagan, her Democratic opponent in North Carolina, had made some sort of secret deal with atheists (to do… well, God only knows what, you might say) — and having been blasted by Hagan’s outraged response — Dole decided to return to the scene of the crime with another ad essentially restating the initial innuendo (video at right via TPM).
Now, it’s entirely possible that Dole’s campaign knows the intelligence level of the voters it’s targeting better than I do, but I find it hard to believe that even famously stupid low-information undecided voters are going to put any stock in the over-the-top hysteria of these ads. I think Matt Yglesias‘ words of a few days ago are applicable here:
Someone ought to tell these people, though, that there’s some kind of baseline level of plausibility that your attacks need to reach if you want them to be effective. You can say a candidate’s health care plan will cost your family money, you can’t say that a candidate’s health care plan involves chopping up babies and serving them as medicine.
There’s still a couple days left for some frantic, soon-to-be-unemployed Republican to prove Matt wrong, though.
Related posts:
- So-Called “Bipartisan” Daschle-Dole-Baker-Mitchell Health Compromise: Exactly What the Insurance Companies Wanted
- While Jim DeMint Vows to “Break” Obama on Health Care, South Carolinians are Going Broke Under Our System
- Stand With Breast Cancer Survivors of North Carolina: Ask Kay Hagan to Support a Public Plan
- Dems’ and Dole’s Flaccid Health Care Advocacy
- Death Threat over Health Care Reform Changes Plans for North Carolina Democrat





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Studs Terkel has passed away. Sorry for the early OT Swopa.
Jeez
But we knew it was going to be this way.
Thanks Swopa.
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I guess I am going to hell for voting for Democrats.
I find it hard to believe that even famously stupid low-information undecided voters are going to put any stock in the over-the-top hysteria of these ads.
I hope you’re right but I live in the Central Valley in California and I still can’t get over the number of McCain/Palin bumper stickers and signs. Who in their right mind?!?
There is a special hell in Liddy’s future that involves K-Y and Bob Dole.
And she won’t be able to say,
“Not now, dear, I have a filibuster tonight.”
Dugg, Thanks Boo
See ya there
Look for me, I’ll be the one selling ice cubes.
Some North Carolinian rethug in Raleigh rigged his McCain-Palin sign to deliver electric shocks. Nearly killed a 9 year old. Nice state Dole has there…
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/vid…..shock.wral
Studs Terkel “The Good War”
Which city? Ah, the Central Valley, a bastion of open mindedness. I only drive through that area on the way to Yosemite. Places that get two kinds of music on the radio. Country & Western. Oh, and Jesus also.
I can grasp that some people are obedient enough to party ideology that just putting an (R) next to someone’s name is enough for them.
And I can see why, given the suspicious attitudes many otherwise loyal Republicans have toward McCain, he might use explicitly diehard-partisan rhetoric to get them to “come home” (or at least motivated enough to show up at the polling booth).
But as far as I know, that isn’t Dole’s situation. And I can’t see how these ads could persuade anyone who isn’t already voting for her.
teh VERY humorous snark I must say
I obtained the rights to be the person who reads leftist literature to all the neocons in their special place in hell.
Hope Liddy is soon looking for something else to fuck up besides a senate seat in the USA.
When is someone, running for some office, going to have the guts to stand up and say “my religion is my business and I don’t discuss it in public?” I hope a candidate will finally do that and stop this nonsense once and for all.
thank you for the news. a long life well spent.
You bought an indulgence? lol
Elizabeth Dole is beneath contempt
How did you get THOSE rights? Drat. That means i have to come up with my own contribution to hell.
Must be the season of the witch…..
-G
The devil knew I loathed Kristol so I have to be in the same room with him for eternity. That’s my punishment. I’m gonna start off with all 3 volumes of Capital and go from there.
Kooper, Stills and Bloofield
No moron – Bloomfield
Actually, I think he’s claiming a little corner of heaven. I just didn’t realize the two were so adjacent…
that commercial is evil.
Brooks on NPR being the deceptive little shit he always is. He starts off with some half-assed recognition of Obama being in the lead then launches into an attack on Obama economic plans calling them “gambits”. Rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the rich is hardly a gambit. Of course, he doesn’t mention how deeply dishonest and bogus McCain’s economic ideas are. Then Brooks does one of his classic “concessions”. He says that if Obama wins by 10-15 points, he will concede he has a “mandate”, forgetting, OK ignoring that Bush claimed a mandate in 2000 without even getting a majority of the votes. Brooks is a Republican propagandist pure and simple. There is no insight, no analysis, only spin, and talking points.
I am 72 yrs. old. The addition of “under god” was added to the pledge of alligence when I was in grammar school. That was long ago. We also did an up handed salute which has been removed. Things change and can be changed. This whole election is driving me crazy. I want our country back! Obama ‘08
what are the facts?
is there a group called Godless Americans?
did it throw a fundraiser for Kay Hagan?
did Hagan attend?
did Hagan take their money?
just wondering.
elizabeth dole’s Q: if godless americans threw a party in your honor, would you go?
anti-dole A: hell yes.
With bells on.
OT- I’m certain none of you will believe this but we are being inundated by
“ghostses”, princesses, buccaneers, cowboys, knights in armor, witches, assorted super-heros (and heroines), pirates, wild indians, ghoulses, gooblins and a bunch of unidentifiable (by me, at least) beings who might be from another universe …
What could be going on?
heh, heh, heh …
They all say the same thing, “Tricks or treatses!”
You ain’t gonna believe this but…
Don’t smear all of us with the sludge produced by republics. :-(
Decent North Carolinians of both parties will see to it that Dole doesn’t go back to Washington…….or come back to our state either.
What an awful person Liddy Dole is. Do you know she spent 33 days in North Carolina the last two years? Maybe she doesn’t have her finger on her constituents’ pulse; thus, this awful, awful ad.
When you’re in a hole, stop digging, Liddy. Time to retire to the H20gate with your Britney-obsessed Via*ra-popping hubby.
I’m going to a Halloween party. Not wearing a costume. Thought about going as John McCain. Decided, no, too scary.
sorry.. my whining was more directed at rethugs in general. I’m sure the rethug angry uppity set countrywide is capable of such idiocy and cruelty.
wow.
You know a woman who is married to a Viagra spokesman should not cast stones.
Okay that is fair. I still have to think of a way that I can contribute to their torment
heh
I would think if a group like that wanted to be active in politics, it would think of a less confrontational name for its PAC.
It shouldn’t have to, but I’m afraid the political reality is that some politicians sympathetic to its causes would be afraid to be associated with the organization.
godless is my co-payment.
what’s wrong with being atheist anyway? This country was founded on religious freedom which includes the freedom not to worship or believe an any religion.
Good for them. No one has to believe in a god, gods, goddesses, etc. to be a citizen of this country and it’s about time to let people know this. Some people actually do not know this simple fact.
dole has convinced me that handing out candy and playing creepy sounding music isn’t enough to celebrate the day. i’m going to have to do a little pagan ritualizing too.
As an atheist, I would like to say that we all believe in two things: secular humanism and chocolate.
could you send Dole some bad luck for Tuesday?
I’m not looking forward to seeing the Doles sitting in separate bathtubs on a grassy knoll in their post lost election Viagra ad.
-G
my holy trinity would include Peet’s Coffee.
We’re going whole hog, as usual. The house is decorated, the costumes are ready (I’m dressing up as a anime assassin– if that aint godless, don’t know what is) and there will be lots of encouragement to corrupt the minds of the little ones.
milk chocolate or dark chocolate?
brain bleach and a hot poker please
This this might be appropriate for the evening. Watch the graphic.
FYI – commentary from the Charlotte Observer on the dole ad:
http://www.charlotteobserver.c…..87109.html
milk chocolate..blech
Got yer katana and tonto? And some shuriken?
like this?
What’s milk chocolate? *g* I like my chocolate dark, sinfully rich, and sometimes with raspberries.
She is a waste of air
Secular humanism and wine.
BTW I’m on the email list of one of the atheist PACs. It’s not very active, but at least it exists.
LOL I mixed it up a bit because I wanted to look really anime so I fashined my wig from Annie Lenox’s “i don’t want to wait in vain” video (think Micky mouse meets betty boop)
Comment of the day, you betcha.
LOL
secular humanists unite: we are the silent minority
Ah doan know about that there silent part.
oh, no katana but I have the shuriken (not real of course)
excellent. no costume here – but this (youtube version) is playing on my stereo.
As a North Carolinian, I can say with certainty that this is perfect Jessie Helms campaigning by Liddy Dole. I expected it!
Jessie, you see wouldn’t lower himself to campaigning until right before the election. Somewhat like Dole, he sat on the sidelines until the last moment. He mostly sat silently in North Carolina, just like Dole sits in her Watergate apartment.
Right before the election, wham bam, he would hit the opposition candidate with the dirtiest racist ads that you could imagine. It worked time and time again for Jessie. He tried at the end of his senate reign to make amends, said that his only mistake was not fighting against AIDS prevention and that he would spend his remaining days in the senate doing so. He didn’t. He earned his Senator NO, honestly. If it included raising taxes, the answer was always NO. No to anything that would do anything good for the country or for NC. Likewise Dole, would jump, only asking Bush how high.
Liddy Dole has taken dirty politics to a whole other level by playing the religious card. Hopefully she won’t get away with it, but I am not counting my chickens before they are hatched.
All I can say to Kay Hagan is lady put your claws out.
But if we unite, we’d no longer be silent. Can’t have it both ways. *g*
damn. i’m going to have to rethink this whole agnosticism thing.
another youtube. this one in honor of the witches.
You’re evidence based. What is the evidence that god exists? I haven’t found any. So why be agnostic?
I have sai as well and wanted to have a dagger but it was too much
to each their own?
LOL. Put that on and the first high notes scared the tigers. They were buggin’ me for dinner and scattered to far corners. Too funny.
well you do have a point there
doesn’t seem like a question worth pondering. who cares? so i leave it without an answer – except that i do reject the god i was taught to believe in.
For sure. I’ve never tried to prostelitize for atheism, unlike many religious folks who do that.
BTW, asking a Q is not prostelitizing. Although I recognize that several commenters here think that it is.
a true chocoholic
i never said it was.
Sorry commentary on the twisted minds of some politicians and the rabble they want to lead.
i don’t even know the words (should try to find a translation) but i love the music. seems appropriate for halloween.
went back and re-read waht you posted and realize it was not directed at my comment.
OT but did Rachel Maddow suggest today that she thought McCain was going to win?
German. you should be able to find a translation via google
My sentiments exactly. The only reason why the subject comes up is because so many people talk about it. Any many of them think that agnosticism or atheism is taboo.
Remember, the subject of this thread is Dole accusing someone of being “godless.” No ag/ath would ever raise such a subject even if the country were 90% ag/ath & 10% religious instead of the reverse.
You may not have, but some have. I didn’t mean my comment to be personally directed at you, otherwise I would have said so.
Yep, as I said in 89.
I see Tweety is creaming over Palin’s passion of her beliefs
*spit*
i tried to tell a friend of mine that chocolate was one of the four major food groups (this was few years back). now she really knew her stuff – being responsible for designing the iv diets for very sick premies at a big teaching and public hospital.
well, she told me i had it all wrong. don’t remember all the details, but she claimed that chocolate is not a food – it’s a necessity of life, like air to breath and water to drink.
Don’t know that I agree with that. Pleny of atheist have little tolerance for those that practice religion.
All fanatics are passionate in their beliefs. Passion isn’t a substitute for truth, however, but in Tweety’s world there is no objective truth.
Never ceases to amaze me that MSM talking heads think that Palin has a national political career locked up, including possibly leading the R party, even though teh country hates her. Talk about denial.
She is a woman after my own heart. i think of it as a necessity as well but then again, I see wine in the same light *g*
It turns my stomach that they are touting her as on the political scene to stay. *spit*
Cholesterol & alcohol are two more of my basic food groups. One in the morning & one at night.
peet’s fair trade is a luxury i have not yet been able to give up.
lol. excellent. i rarely drink wine anymore, but still love it.
Never met an intolerant ag/ath, but then my friends of any stripe tend toward the tolerant.
The only atheist I know on the national scene who’s intolerant is Christopher Hitchens & he gives a bad name to whatever cause he espouses.
as the “it” girl
don’t have the lyrics to translate. may go looking for them between trick or treaters. oops looks like everyone has moved on to the next thread…..
ubby being an atheist and all, we have run into a few that just dont understand why people believe in “fairy tales” and unfortunately they have low opinions of people who believe. (I’m not atheist btw)
hubby
Aside from the pure evil of this add, I heard that one out of 40 hosts at this party was a member of “Godless Americans,” that does not exist any more. Any one know if that is true.
My dad had a thing for bourbon and chocolate.
i will honor any belief that gives you comfort and helps you do good in this life.
See my 34.
Welcome aboard, Granny3!
I didn’t know Dole changed the constitution…the part that separates religion and government. That is exactly what is wrong with inserting religion, these kind of stupid ad hominem attacks. Same with the anti-gay marriage amendments, separation guys. It was for a reason.
I’ve been at work, but I can’t imagine Rachel saying that. She’s on board for making sure people vote and not become complacent.
beautifully put and I totally agree
I used that google thingy:
Burning Times
In the cool of the evening they used to gather
‘Neath the stars in the meadow circled near an old oak tree
At the times appointed by the seasons of the earth
And the phases of the moon
In the center stood a woman
Equal with the others and respected for her worth
One of the many we call the witches
The healers and the teachers of the wisdom of the earth
And the people grew through the knowledge she gave them
Herbs to heal their bodies, spells to make their spirits whole
Can’t you hear them chanting healing incantations
Calling for the wise ones, celebrating in dance and song
Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Inana
There were those who came to power through domination
And they bonded in the worship of a dead man on a cross
They sought control of the common people
By demanding allegiance to the Church of Rome
And the Pope declared an Inquisition
It was a war against the women whose power they feared
In this Holocaust against the nature people
Nine million European women died
And the tale is told of those who by the hundreds
Holding together chose their death in the sea
While chanting the praises of the Mother Goddess
A refusal of betrayal – women were dying to be free
Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Inana
Now the Earth is a witch, and the men still burn her
Stripping her down with mining and the poisons of their war
Still to us, the Earth is a healer, a teacher a mother
A weaver of a web of life that keeps us all alive
She gives us the vision to see through the chaos
She gives us the courage, it is our will to survive
Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Inana
Verses by Charlie Murphy
Chorus chant by Deena Metzger
thank you hugh – i hate to tell you this, but it was the other youtube i don’t have the lyrics to. from schnittke’s faust cantata, es geschah (i think). but i’m glad you posted the lyrics to burning times. good to have in opposition to dole’s nonsense.
The english title of that would be, “It Came to Pass”. Maybe that will help track down the lyrics in english
thanks will give it a try. whatever they are, the music sounds like halloween to me.
Sigh. No one around. I thought we were discussing Liddy Dole. Alas, chocolate was the topic of the discussion. Nothing wrong with chocolate, but WTF?
we go off topic sometines. Only advice I can offer is to just roll with it
Mixed news:
Was driving in rural western NC today. Not a Dole sign to be seen, nor a Hagan sign either. Tons of Bush/Palan and Foxx signs though :-(