I used to be a conservative. Mind you, a Canadian conservative of the "red Tory" variety, which is to say financially conservative, reasonably liberal on social policy. But gay rights just weren’t something I ever thought about. Completely beyond my purview. If I knew any gays, I didn’t know I knew them, though in retrospect a couple of my favorite teachers in high school were almost certainly gay.
One day in the late nineties, on Salon’s Table Talk, I got into a debate with David Ehrenstein about gay rights. In particular, "don’t ask, don’t tell". I didn’t see what the big deal was. I grew up nice and repressed in a pretty old-style protestant boarding school, and came out of that subculture where holding hands with your girlfriend in public, let alone making out, is considered in bad taste. (I’ve since changed my, er, mind on this). But at the time, I couldn’t see what the big deal was. I didn’t talk about my romantic life with my co-workers anyway.
Those who’ve dealt with David know that he can be pretty short with fools, but he was immensely patient that day, walking me through "perhaps you don’t hold hands or kiss in public, but you’ve seen others do it. Do you think gays shouldn’t be able to do what straights can do". It took a bit longer than that, over a dozen exchanges. It’s not easy to get simple things through to people, even me. But eventually something clicked and I saw it as an equality issue. "Why shouldn’t they be able to do what I can do, even if I don’t do it?"
Ever since then I’ve been pretty hardcore on gay rights. I can’t see why they shouldn’t have the right to do anything that anyone else does, and I don’t see that how they have sex is anyone’s business but theirs. One of the most famous sayings in Canada, from ex-Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau is "the State has no business in the bedrooms of the nation". Certainly I don’t think anyone has the right to determine what I do in the bedroom. Given that, how can I condone them restricting anyone else? If it’s between adults and consensual, it’s no one’s business.
Likewise, if I loved someone and couldn’t see them in hospital, or have the right to leave my loved one what I chose in the case that I died, I’d be livid. This was brought home to me when I was in hospital myself, no family in the city, and my friends had to fight to get into the ICU to see me (in fact, the only one who got in did so by lying and saying he was my brother).
At one point I even had a huge fight with my father over the issue of gay marriage and didn’t speak to him for almost 6 months as a result. (He wound up thinking I must be gay since I’m not married and if I weren’t how could I care so much about the issue? I let him think so, since it forced him to rethink his beliefs about gays. My mother, needless to say, did not approve of my methods, but my Dad is now pro gay marriage.)
All of which is a long way to say that if there’s a ballot issue in your state related to gay marriage, I hope you’ll vote for the side that allows gay marriage, and that if you can donate or give some time, I’d appreciate it.
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Good story. I know David E very well, and as someone once said, “they say he’s a righteous dude!”
Additionally, my Mom came around years ago on gay rights, and proudly, the day before she died a few weeks ago, she filled out her absentee ballot here in CA, proudly voting No on 8.
I have no strong opinions, except:
What people do in their bedrooms is none of my business.
If you can’t get pregnant, you have no right to a view on abortion.
It none of my busness what you do with your money.
Religion and superstition are indistinguishable, both require a suspension of science.
It’s unlucky to be superstitious.
Marketing works. That’s why corporation spend so much money of marketing.
It’s completly my business what my Government does with our money, and how it gets the money.
If the Government will not protect us from corporations (and effective marketing) then who will?
National security depends on a strong economy first.
I don’t believe in a an Ownership society. I don’t want to be owned.
I’m right there in bed with you, Ian. I am 100 percent straight American like Jesus General. The only progressive, enlightened position favors equal rights for all humans regardless of sexual orientation except for Republicans.
We’ll let gay Republicans get married in the reeducation camps, won’t we? /snark
Please, redundancy is bad writing.
Happy to help support.
How cool and sad at the same time. SteveAudio.
I don’t want to hijack this post, but I ask everyone to Digg this:
http://digg.com/2008_us_electi…..Rothschild
Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild is up to her stupidity again. This time on HuffPo.
Hey Ian, you wrote:
” gay Republicans
Please, redundancy is bad writing.”
I hope there is a BIG typo in there somewhere.
Constitutions are for limiting or focusing government. Using that format to limit or focus equality under the law is , as are other attempts in like vein (enemy combatant designation) unconstitutional. The chosen line of demarcation in this case is anything but solid not to mention specific exclusion is a travisty and the tippy top of the slippery slope to the tyranny of the majority that the Constitution was written to protect against.
You let your Dad think you were gay in order to help change his mind?
Now that’s some hardcore activism. :)
Great post. I almost feel an obligation as a straight man to try to champion gay rights – I feel like the more straight people to do so, the more accepted it will become. Sooooo many people have this idea that if gay people are given rights, then somehow, gayness will spread and families will deteriorate. It’s ludicrous to be sure, but I feel like if enough straight people try to show that it’s okay to support gay rights, then it will catch on.
Maybe this is stupid reasoning, but regardless, I’m for gay rights of all kinds and I hope the message of equality spreads more and more.
It was joke. As in so many republicans are gay that you hardly have to say gay Republican.
Eli’s upstairs catching 22’s
Nothing stupid about that at all, sir! It rises to wisdom, and applies to all sorts of progressive ideas.
Here’s an argument religious and constitutional conservatives should agree with: Prop 8 violates violates our freedom of religion. The very first of the American Bill of Rights confirms freedom of religion. No church would ever be forced to perform a gay marriage if they didn’t want to. But those that want to, can; the United Church of Christ, Presbytarian Church, Unitarian Universalist Assoc., Reform Judaism, and others allow same-sex marriage. Vote NO on Prop 8, and allow everyone their right to choose to worship in their own way; that’s American.
Well said.
Damn, where’s my lucky charm?
Here’s hoping Amendment 2 in FL goes down in flames with a huge explosion at the end of the dive. Gotta get the 18-24 demographic out. Gotta.
One reason given for opposing gay marriage is that it somehow weakens or diminishes heterosexual marriage. The insecurity or perhaps fear of homosexuality driving that position is obvious. Inferiority motivates “collective thinking”, groups of people believing the number of believers makes what they believe “true”. Collective thinking underlies religion. A religion of one, makes that believer a nut. Millions of believers make their religion “true”. We use the state (many millions of believers) to enforce what is generally believed. We don’t have the courage of our convictions so we eliminate disagreement even when it’s none of our business and should have no effect on our behavior.