Comments on: Battered Press Syndrome Vs. “Clinton Rules” In The Press http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703678 Phoenix Woman Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:03:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703678 <p>Joe Conason was one of the first reporters to realize that there was a large untapped army of online readers willing and able to help him out with research and gumshoery. That’s why the acknowledgements portions of his books take up a few pages per tome.</p> Joe Conason was one of the first reporters to realize that there was a large untapped army of online readers willing and able to help him out with research and gumshoery. That’s why the acknowledgements portions of his books take up a few pages per tome.

]]> By: kathyinstlouis1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703627 kathyinstlouis1 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:36:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703627 <p>Phoenix Woman, you make my point exactly. Most of these highly-paid TV people want to be talking to the mill owner. It makes them feel so much more important. But the little guys often have the scoop. They just need to put down the doughnut, stop talking to other reporters and get moving.</p> <p>We need to expect more of them or go elsewhere for the news.</p> Phoenix Woman, you make my point exactly. Most of these highly-paid TV people want to be talking to the mill owner. It makes them feel so much more important. But the little guys often have the scoop. They just need to put down the doughnut, stop talking to other reporters and get moving.

We need to expect more of them or go elsewhere for the news.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703621 selise Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:34:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703621 <p>thanks - happens to me all the time.</p> thanks – happens to me all the time.

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703617 Phoenix Woman Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:30:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703617 <p>Yup. If the mill owner says “Oh no no no we have no plans to shut this mill” and the mill’s kitchen crew says “The boss told us not to order any more cafeteria supplies after Monday”, a smart reporter should know what to take away from those two conversations.</p> Yup. If the mill owner says “Oh no no no we have no plans to shut this mill” and the mill’s kitchen crew says “The boss told us not to order any more cafeteria supplies after Monday”, a smart reporter should know what to take away from those two conversations.

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703615 Christy Hardin Smith Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:29:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703615 <p>I likely read the wrong tone in your response there, then — tough to tell typed intent sometimes. *g*</p> I likely read the wrong tone in your response there, then — tough to tell typed intent sometimes. *g*

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703613 Phoenix Woman Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:28:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703613 <p>True. Though really, newspapers used to have morning and evening editions, and special ones in addition to those as events warranted. I think that the higher up the food chain, the less journalists actually work and the more they expect to be spoon-fed stuff. (Of course, being that their bosses are mostly conservative Republicans who like the tax breaks they got under Bush, they also know that their bosses would prefer them to use the GOP’s blast-faxes rather than the Democrats’ blast-faxes.)</p> True. Though really, newspapers used to have morning and evening editions, and special ones in addition to those as events warranted. I think that the higher up the food chain, the less journalists actually work and the more they expect to be spoon-fed stuff. (Of course, being that their bosses are mostly conservative Republicans who like the tax breaks they got under Bush, they also know that their bosses would prefer them to use the GOP’s blast-faxes rather than the Democrats’ blast-faxes.)

]]> By: diablesseblu http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703609 diablesseblu Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:26:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703609 <p>Bingo! What an excellent point and cuts to the heart of a lot of what’s going on. Reporters like the hobnobbing….big part of the problem.</p> <p>An old consultants’ trick in the rural south in to take the line workers out for a few drinks after work. That’s how they found out what was really happening at a mill. They never got the truth from local management.</p> Bingo! What an excellent point and cuts to the heart of a lot of what’s going on. Reporters like the hobnobbing….big part of the problem.

An old consultants’ trick in the rural south in to take the line workers out for a few drinks after work. That’s how they found out what was really happening at a mill. They never got the truth from local management.

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703606 Phoenix Woman Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:23:20 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703606 <p>The whole irony of the “access” argument is that hobnobbing with the rich and powerful is a way to get good information. But as all the old investigative reporters and gumshoes knew, it was easier, cheaper and more rewarding to get your information from the lower-level workers. Go eat your lunches where the Capitol Hill janitors hang out and catch the conversations going on around you.</p> The whole irony of the “access” argument is that hobnobbing with the rich and powerful is a way to get good information. But as all the old investigative reporters and gumshoes knew, it was easier, cheaper and more rewarding to get your information from the lower-level workers. Go eat your lunches where the Capitol Hill janitors hang out and catch the conversations going on around you.

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703605 Christy Hardin Smith Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:23:16 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703605 <p>I think part of that is also a tighter timeframe on deadline — when you have 24-hour all news alla time, you are constantly pushing up against a need to put something on the air, and get it on first. Unfortunately that leads to unchecked, unsourced crapola far too often. SIGH</p> I think part of that is also a tighter timeframe on deadline — when you have 24-hour all news alla time, you are constantly pushing up against a need to put something on the air, and get it on first. Unfortunately that leads to unchecked, unsourced crapola far too often. SIGH

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703602 selise Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:21:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/29/battered-press-syndrome-vs-clinton-rules-in-the-press/#comment-1703602 <p>christy? was just trying to explain - in response to the list of things you wrote that were keeping you occupied - that in general by leaving a comment in your thread, i don’t mean to suggest that i expect you to reply let alone to read my links. but in this case, based on how your comment sounded to me (far more skeptical than is usual for you) i would appreciate it. no shoulder chip intended on my part.</p> christy? was just trying to explain – in response to the list of things you wrote that were keeping you occupied – that in general by leaving a comment in your thread, i don’t mean to suggest that i expect you to reply let alone to read my links. but in this case, based on how your comment sounded to me (far more skeptical than is usual for you) i would appreciate it. no shoulder chip intended on my part.

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