Comments on: Murtha’s Under Heavy Fire and He Needs Help http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:54:37 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: slouching http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702180 slouching Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:33:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702180 <p>I gave him $10.00 (even though I ran out of $ 2 weeks ago) because he told the truth. Not many people in Congress tell the truth. I place a high value on the truth(besides, he looks like my father who is deceased).</p> I gave him $10.00 (even though I ran out of $ 2 weeks ago) because he told the truth. Not many people in Congress tell the truth. I place a high value on the truth(besides, he looks like my father who is deceased).

]]> By: acquarius74 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702068 acquarius74 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:54:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702068 <p>Better than good enough; it’s the best!</p> Better than good enough; it’s the best!

]]> By: Novista http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702018 Novista Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:17:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702018 <p>A statement of principle, Ian, I admire that.</p> <p>As for the “either you’re with us, or agin’ us” types, that sort of cyclopean vision is too parallel to certain others. I started coming here for the Libby trial liveblogging — work I could admire and kept coming back. Lately, the main reason I return is to read Ian’s latest.</p> <p>Some of us actually espouse certain progressive values: for open borders and immigration; against racism (even such as myself, raised in the Deep South); for tolerance of race, creed, lifestyle; against empire and foreign interventions; for a woman’s right to make her own choices (what would the Founding Fathers have thought of Roe vs. Wade? federal madness!); for civil liberties and the Constitution.</p> <p>But if that’s not good enough, it is what it is.</p> A statement of principle, Ian, I admire that.

As for the “either you’re with us, or agin’ us” types, that sort of cyclopean vision is too parallel to certain others. I started coming here for the Libby trial liveblogging — work I could admire and kept coming back. Lately, the main reason I return is to read Ian’s latest.

Some of us actually espouse certain progressive values: for open borders and immigration; against racism (even such as myself, raised in the Deep South); for tolerance of race, creed, lifestyle; against empire and foreign interventions; for a woman’s right to make her own choices (what would the Founding Fathers have thought of Roe vs. Wade? federal madness!); for civil liberties and the Constitution.

But if that’s not good enough, it is what it is.

]]> By: MrWhy http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702011 MrWhy Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:11:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1702011 <p>How about the following logic?</p> <p>Murtha doesn’t deserve your money because, well, he hasn’t done enough to deserve your money, and he’s not a progressive overall.</p> <p>However, he does deserve to be recognized for his support of the military, and so I propose</p> <p>Whereas Rep. Murtha is not a progressive Democrat, and<br /> Whereas Rep. Murtha is a staunch supporter of American troops wherever they are deployed, and<br /> Whereas Rep. Murtha deserves recognition for forwarding the progressive agenda regarding the US troop deployment in Iraq, and<br /> Whereas there are many candidates who need your help to get elected on Nov. 4, and<br /> Whereas many progressives feel that they cannot, in good conscience support Rep. Murtha in this election,</p> <p>Therefore, be it resolved that Firepups will recognize Rep. Murtha’s efforts in support of US troops by contributing to the re-election campaign of <a href="http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12790" rel="nofollow">Carol Shea-Porter in district New Hampshire-01 via ActBlue</a>.</p> How about the following logic?

Murtha doesn’t deserve your money because, well, he hasn’t done enough to deserve your money, and he’s not a progressive overall.

However, he does deserve to be recognized for his support of the military, and so I propose

Whereas Rep. Murtha is not a progressive Democrat, and
Whereas Rep. Murtha is a staunch supporter of American troops wherever they are deployed, and
Whereas Rep. Murtha deserves recognition for forwarding the progressive agenda regarding the US troop deployment in Iraq, and
Whereas there are many candidates who need your help to get elected on Nov. 4, and
Whereas many progressives feel that they cannot, in good conscience support Rep. Murtha in this election,

Therefore, be it resolved that Firepups will recognize Rep. Murtha’s efforts in support of US troops by contributing to the re-election campaign of Carol Shea-Porter in district New Hampshire-01 via ActBlue.

]]> By: acquarius74 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701998 acquarius74 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:00:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701998 <p>Please, Boo, not humble. You gave me a gift of gentle words spoken from your heart. Those are the gems in my treasury.</p> <p>Scout</p> Please, Boo, not humble. You gave me a gift of gentle words spoken from your heart. Those are the gems in my treasury.

Scout

]]> By: BooRadley http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701963 BooRadley Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:27:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701963 <p>I am humbled scout. Great to have you here at FDL. </p> <p>Also, waving madly at Mary.</p> I am humbled scout. Great to have you here at FDL.

Also, waving madly at Mary.

]]> By: acquarius74 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701939 acquarius74 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:56:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701939 <p>I thank YOU, Ian. As the crazy developments occur daily I rush over here to FDL to “see what Ian says about that”. Keep up the good work. </p> <p>I’m a 4th generation native Texan - - snalytical thinkers are kinda scarce down here in these parts. </p> <p>Scout</p> I thank YOU, Ian. As the crazy developments occur daily I rush over here to FDL to “see what Ian says about that”. Keep up the good work.

I’m a 4th generation native Texan – - snalytical thinkers are kinda scarce down here in these parts.

Scout

]]> By: tatere http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701937 tatere Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:55:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701937 <p>Right on. I’m really glad to see this. The “what has he done for us lately?” kind of thinking is way too typical of the netroots. People were falling all over themselves to heap praise on Murtha when he was standing up against the war, and when the western PA comment story came out, it was all “What an idiot!” Too much fad power. If you are trying to get politicians to move towards you on issues, they have to know that you’ll be there for them later. Which, frankly, is a good reason to damp down on the Hero response as much as on the Goat response. But meanwhile, here we are. A primary challenge would be one thing, but against a Republican? No.</p> Right on. I’m really glad to see this. The “what has he done for us lately?” kind of thinking is way too typical of the netroots. People were falling all over themselves to heap praise on Murtha when he was standing up against the war, and when the western PA comment story came out, it was all “What an idiot!” Too much fad power. If you are trying to get politicians to move towards you on issues, they have to know that you’ll be there for them later. Which, frankly, is a good reason to damp down on the Hero response as much as on the Goat response. But meanwhile, here we are. A primary challenge would be one thing, but against a Republican? No.

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701931 Mary Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:47:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701931 <p>But for Murtha, the national discussions about and mood on the war might not have changed for many months longer. If that’s not something you value- it’s not.</p> But for Murtha, the national discussions about and mood on the war might not have changed for many months longer. If that’s not something you value- it’s not.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701922 Ian Welsh Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:36:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/27/murthas-under-heavy-fire-and-he-needs-help/#comment-1701922 <p>Thank you Scout.</p> Thank you Scout.

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