China is forecast to become the world's largest manufacturer next year, overtaking the US and ending the US's run of over a century in the top spot. The US took first place from Britain in the 1890's, and held it for a little over a hundred and ten years.
Let no one tell you that manufacturing is not more important than other parts of the economy in geopolitics. The ability to produce large amounts of stuff, combined with a large population, is two-thirds of what makes a modern great power. (The third part is an effective military culture.) Other sectors, such as the financial sector, are important to the extent that they support manufacturing and the ability to project force.
China has the world's largest internet. Its number of patents is growing faster than any other nation, and Chinese love being engineers, unlike in the US, where being a lawyer or MBA or maybe a doctor is considered the route to a good life. This, again, is eerily similar to the period when America broke down the doors: engineers were worshiped, scientists were respected and everyone wanted to be an inventor. In the old days Chinese came to America to become scientists and engineers, then stayed. Now they come and go back, and meanwhile Chinese universities pump out huge classes of both as well.
And great things are happening in China, such as their plan to become the world's leader in wind power by 2020 (which they are pumping huge amounts of money into) or their high speed trains, or experimental buildings such as the water cube or the bird's nest. Chengdu is creating a complex of buildings with sliced-geometry which are porous to sunlight. If you're an architect who wants to do big groundbreaking projects the best places in the world right now are Dubai or China. Certainly not the United States, where there is no money and no appetite.
Yes, China has a lot of problems. They're almost endless. But they also have an endless appetite for thinking big about how to solve their problems. That appetite is missing in the US. When I read policy proposals from both campaigns my response is usually as follows:
McCain: this policy, if followed, would be disastrous.
Obama: not a bad policy, but either doesn't go far enough or doesn't tackle the fundamental problem (for example, Obama's health care plans won't reduce costs enough, and without that, it's just a finger in the dike.)
The Chinese also think long term. They were aggressively buying up oil resources ten years ago when oil was under 20 dollars a barrel, and they were doing so at what then seemed like crazy prices (but which now seem like steals).
This new century is not going to belong to America. It is not going to belong to Japan. It's not yet clear that it'll belong to China, but they're a contender. America, though it is a continental power and will remain a Great Power will lose superpower status and once lost, will not regain it in our lifetimes.
At the end of the day, you can juggle as many pieces of paper as you want; you can play land-swap games with property and pretend that's real wealth, but in post industrial revolution societies, real wealth is what you can produce. China's far from as rich as the US on per-capita measures, but in gross terms, it's pulling even. And once it does it will just keep pulling away. And America's elites, who have helped it all along the way, offshoring and outsourcing as much industrial capacity to China as they could in exchange for labor arbitrage profits, will continue to help China preferentially over the US, because they understand that China is the future, that its market will be bigger than the American market, and that if you want to play in the big leagues, that's going to mean playing in China.
All of this may come tumbling down due to global warming and various resource shortages, mind you. China is running the same playbook that America ran, that Japan ran, that every Asian Tiger ran. It's running it fast, but time may be running out. But there are signs they recognize this, as with the wind power plan, and are moving to adjust. Everyone in the world is going to face the same problems. The future belongs to the nation or nations which adjust best, who create the new model economy which works within the new resource constraints in a world where resources don't come from an endless cornucopia. So far Europe, China, Japan and many other nations are ahead of the US in this race.
And those who don't complete the track will pay a fearful price because the old economy, based on cheap hydrocarbons, a huge food surfeit and cheap resources, will no longer be viable.
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wake up, America!
China is fortunate to not have burdens like the Republic Party and the Bush family.
Bbbbut, aren’t they still commies?
China is in the low hanging fruit phase of their development. They can produce a pretty good bicycle for well under $100 due primarily to labor cost advantages for example. The industry is neither capital intensive or dependant on innovation- just weld frames and assemble components.
It may get tougher for them as they graduate to other products.
Ah, so … Ian.
The inscrutable celestials ARE willing to learn from, AND emulate others.
Whereas we, apparently, in our glorious ‘exceptionalism’ are not.
Whom might we guess is better ‘positioned’, philosophically, for what the future might ‘bring’?
Of course, we are not to worry, Gawd has left his ‘unseen hand’ at our beck and call, at our ‘disposal’, if you will.
Another great post, retelling a history most Americans will have forgotten or never known.
“Once upon a time, children, America also made things, hard as that may be to believe, I assure you it is true. I remember …”
The Chinese have seen empires come and go and recognize the cycle of life in most all of its manifestations. We’re total upstarts in comparison.
And we did it to ourselves.
25 years ago, I was a lone voice in the wilderness crying “Do not buy that silk blouse made in China! Look for the union label!!”
but no . . .
Being The Best Country In the World is more than a slogan. — or does that make me a traitor to say so?
except that it is part of their underlying organizational construct to absorb from the rest of the world and make their own.
which includes absorbing lessons already learned
Thank you for that, Ian. My spouse has quite a bit of work right now, making capital equipment for Chinese firms; once all equipment of this nature designed by U.S. companies is completely installed, the manufacturing migration might be complete and there be nothing they need from us save for our continued consumption, and that consumption is only a stop-gap until they can do all the consumption themselves.
10 and 20 years ago the firms buying this kind of capital equipment were here in the U.S.; they were heavy equipment makers and auto companies with plants across the country, from Pennsylvania and Florida to Texas and Wisconsin.. Not any longer; if his trips abroad are any reflection as to where manufacturing is now located, he’s got 3 trips to China and one trip to India under his belt inside a year. In contrast, trips to U.S. customers in the same period were generally to those with overseas manufacturing, and not to firms with only U.S.-based manufacturing.
The big shoe in U.S. manufacturing may drop soon; rumor through the corporate grapevine is that German radio talked about GM’s likely filing for bankruptcy as early as next week.
Perhaps, but their deep interest in engineering suggests otherwise, as does the swelling of the number of patents held by the Chinese.
Our only ‘advantage’, at the moment rw, is weaponry, but it would be extremely unwise of us to begin an arms-race with anyone, in fact such behavior would be terminal madness.
Of course we must acknowledge that a certain ‘element’ of our society appears to ‘believe’ that they could get ‘off’ on such a scenario …
please cut the ‘inscrutable celestials’ crap. It’s not politically correct.
I spent a couple of years working in Beijing as an expat, early in shrub II’s reign. I found many of the people I met and the country as a whole to be forward looking, optimistic and, by developing country standards, even fairly transparent (far from inscrutable)… in querying government agencies for information needed to do businses, I actually had very good results.. as good as I get here, which says about everything you need to know. Most people were (justifiably) suspicious about their own government when it comes to respecting (or disrespecting) their rights and angry about the lack of progress or reform in many areas, but also genuinely upbeat about their economy’s continued ability to develop, in terms of education, entrepreneurship, sophistication, technology and growth.
I’m scared. We all should be. And not just of what China will do.. but of our own lack of ability and motivation, under shrub, to face the threat the compete on a global stage.
China plans to build 300 Nuclear Plants.
Sorry to offend you.
I envy your chance to have seen China up close.
And Blub, I far more worried, NOT scared, about our domestic insecurities and silliness.
We have deliberately blown the opportunity of setting good examples befote the world.
Karma is a bitch.
Hope that doesn’t blow the pc meters, Blub.
IIRC, it was the Chinese who observed the change of dynasty as having lost the mandate of heaven. It must be so with countries as well, loosing the mandate of heaven. … and all the kings men, couldn’t put it back together again.
I’m not saying that they won’t develop- they will- but they’re success at the moment seems to be primarily low tech manufacturing. They still don’t understand marketing, product development, quality control, customer service, etc.
At the moment most of their business is manufacturing to the specifications of the customer.
The rest will come- but it will probably be slowly.
they have the equivalent though.. a major problem with corruption, to which their only solution seems to be draconian anti-corruption prosecutions without the necessary, underlying structural reforms (in China, the quickest way to get yourself on death row, besides murder, is to embezzle more than a US dollars or so).
a million US dollars I meant
Afternoon all hate to go off topic but has anyone heard the breaking news that US forces conducted a raid inside Syria - killed eight and wounded four.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27389245/
“This new century is not going to belong to America. It is not going to belong to Japan. It’s not yet clear that it’ll belong to China, but they’re a contender.”
It’s probably worth pointing out that this isn’t a zero sum game. China is a contender but it also doesn’t have to ‘win’ to be sucessful. India’s coming up fast too, albeit with a few more structural problems to solve (but remember when we were all saying that China’s coastal/interior divide was going to split the country? nobody says that anymore… and India will probably confront their equivalent problem just as readily). Korea’s already a major hub for many industries and will continue to prosper in many respects. Singapore, as a financial and command-and-control-center is now one of the richest countries in the world per capita PPP (rivaling Luxembourg, I think, and still moving forward). Malaysia and Indonesia have impressive untapped resource bases. The EU.. let’s not forget about them. There are many contenders.. and room for all of them to be part of a peaceful, prosperous world.
The question is… will there be room for us on that stage or will we manage to fall off it.
A link from the Guardian about a raid from Iraq into (10 miles) Syria
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl.....ter-attack
The American manufacturing capacity has been decimated by Fed policy over the years that stimulated a false sense of prosperity in financial and housing not reflective of economic health, but symptomatic of easy cash tendered from thin air and fueling economic wind eggs.
A healthy regime would come from the bottom up, not the top down. Economic growth a manufacturing base would induce demand for housing and consumer goods, not the other way round. The manufacturing capacity and more fundamentally the tool-making industries are the foundation of a healthy economy. Their absence leads to economic dementia and false hopes of prosperity that is not sustainable.
The essential basic industries have all been exported abroad, to the Pacific Rim and China, even to South Asia.
You mean that we were sold a bill (Bill) of goods that the “Service Sector” was where the 21th Century would take us? I guess that’s why my Mary Kay, Tupperware and Avon aren’t selling. We’re out servicing each other; but where’s the kiss?
Yes, rw, but so was our initial industrial ’success’, low tech.
The Chinese may well also have the ‘advantage’ on us when it comes to imagination. (And certainly when it comes to seeing time as an ally rather than the enemy.)
And, thereby, inspiration.
As we have chosen (or our economic ‘wisdoms’ have chosen ‘for’ us) not to compete in manufacture, either in low OR high tech, how shall we ‘counter’ or ‘compete’ with China’s capacities?
We too are slowly, slowly. Perhaps too slowly in terms of real ‘national security’, such as health care, another area where, apparently, the Chinese might leave us in the dust …
Until we’ve our priorities straight we remain vulnerable as a society and a failure as a rational force of consciousness in the world.
Who will fill THAT void?
China?
Russia?
BINGO!!!
Ian upstairs on US raid into Syria
its my belief that we’ve been reliant on a policy of “bubble cultivation”.. win votes for rethugs (and a few dems too) through the illusion created by unsustainable increases in share price multiples, leverage ratios, and real estate prices. We’ve lost sight of what real, labor- and factor- productivity driven growth means. If we’re going to survive to play with the next generation of big boys, we need to regain that focus on real growth. That means an industrial policy that works, a renewed commitment to education, a monetary policy that makes sense, and government spending that works with real economic growth and not for the illusion of it.
And BINGO!!! to Blub, as well.
Too bad the Political Class has not realized that an economy is built from the bottom up.
The current ‘crop’ might have to move on, before the sensibilities we are all urging will have a kind reception, Blub.
;~D
It sounds like you have been reading Thomas Friedman.
I’ve got a job possibility that would require travel to china. The opportunity to work with chinese engineers, and to build a vocabulary in Mandarin for communicating with them is a prospect that makes this possibility very attractive. I think 10 years from now a working knowledge of Mandarin and experience working in China will be valuable experience.
13 years ago I had a possibility to support a supercomputer in Harbin (Manchuria). it would have meant 6 months in a Siberian winter climate, I’m kind of thankful that I ended up doing support work on the same machines at US facilities.
Americans twiddled their thumbs while the Patriots of the US Corporatocracy decimated our manufacturing base by offshoring so that they could enrich themselves. Kept us in stupid wars, to enrich themselves. Decimated our education system, to keep people ignorant. Plundered the Treasury, to enrich themselves. Ad nauseum, ad infinitum. All the while getting American citizens caught up in a divisive cultural and theocratic internal “war” amongst one another so we wouldn’t notice. Anybody have a few extra pitchforks to share around?
they don’t have enough problems with earthquakes without adding radioactivity?
Chinese are building Pebble Bed reactors. Shouldn’t be able to melt down or release radioactive waste even during catastrophic failures.
I have some problems with this post. Sure the Chinese are going to be number one in manufacturing, but at what cost? They have been able to do this by paying their workers substandard wages, and while ignoring many environmental issues. We’ve seen lead in their toys and substandard baby formula. Just like in the Soviet Union before it, the government maintains a policy of denial in regard to environmental disasters.
Also China is, as we all know a very repressive regime. Sure they might have the largest internet, but it is censored. ”Open source” development is, in my mind, going to be the path to advancement in the information age. Censorship is a severe brake in that development. Correct me if I am wrong, but a Silicon Valley is something that just won’t exist in the current Chinese regime.
I absolutely concur that policies need to be put in place to restore the US manufacturing base. Government contracts, for example, should only go to US based companies. NAFTA and CAFTA should be repealed.
It is disappointing, as you say, that Obama’s policy papers only contain half a loaf measures. Does anyone know whether ”full loaf” measures have actually been presented to Obama’s policy advisors? If anyone has some link of examples where Obama’s policy people have actually rejected this stuff, I would interested in seeing it.
Ouch. But I hear you.
I wish the best for people of Mainland China (and HK and Taiwan), and I don’t feel particularly threatened by the idea of another country doing well. (I worry about rivalry between Asian nations causing a lot of hurt though.) China has serious problems. Uprisings (not without reason), beaucoup de natural disastors, uneven living standards across the country, and serious serious worker safety and public health issues as well as pollution, etc. As a close friend of mine who’s Chinese would say, “give us another 50 years to get civilized; i.e. China went through its dark ages in the 70s and is still in recovery. I’d also suggest seeing China through the lense of being another “Asian Miracle” nation. China is still in flux.
I see those as serious problems that will affect the future of the MC government. People blame their governments. The flooding, the cold winter last year, the lack of heating. A lot of this comes to a boil.
I listened to their CEO being interviewed by Charlie Rose not long ago. I can’t envision them going bankrupt except as an excuse to leave America and go make a lot of money elsewhere.
The new economic model for American Rich will be to live here and enjoy our political freedoms, but to produce and sell elsewhere for large profits (very large sales numbers) and if you continue to look at GNP you would think we’re doing great (as 1990-2004), but we’ll have to look at the GDP to see America alone.
What’s frustrating right now is that we need a lot of things and this Asian-centric thinking has the Rich & powerful standing in our way of moving forward. If only they would just get on with abandoning America (is the current crisis just kabuki to provide themselves with rationalizations for what they already plan to do?) and stand aside so we can get on with developing new industries in America.
As was said, America will remain a great power and clearly dominant in this hemisphere, so why should we just grind to a halt? That’s simply stupid.
I’m glad you put ‘advantage’ in quotes. Isn’t it becoming painfully obvious since Vietnam, Soviet-Afghan war, US-Iraq war that the military is pretty useless except for local defense?
Just today it occurred to me that if I were looking over the US budget for the next year I’d have to think hard about NOT erasing about 2/3rds of the military budget. It certainly didn’t protect us on 9/11. Aircraft carriers in the pacific don’t help against men with visas.
You are kidding yourself.
Really.
The largest market potential isn’t American, it’s Asian, and the Chinese think like Asians. I can see the challenge for my spouse when he discusses negotiations; they are dual-tracking, going full production in their purchasing while honing their ability to negotiate with the western world. They already know how to market to themselves, and if they are the largest market, they don’t need to learn to sell to us. If we can’t make it, we have no choice but to buy it from them.
And they’re already doing a bang-up job of demanding goods to their own specifications, holding their own with Fortune 100 companies’ purchasing standards. Believe me, it causes the same heartburn for members of this household that we’ve seen from American companies in the past.
Exhibit. Cold Winter.
They had 19B in cash as of last week. Their burn rate is 13B a month. It’s got little to do with leaving the U.S. at this point, as much as they simply don’t have cash nor the credit to get them through a massive slump in demand during a major retool.
I calculated based on last year’s financials that GM lost about $2500 per vehicle sold (it’ll be a larger number this year, for sure). Health care is a HUGE chunk of their expenses, at more than $5000 a vehicle. If they want to leave the U.S., that’s one of the biggest incentives, and it’s an incentive for any other manufacturing firm outside of the auto industry as well.
The Rich see it as easier and safer to transport what they know to new ground and begin plowing for profits. Here we’ll have to keep doing some of that and be creative to find new ‘crops’ to plant (Green Revolution and so on). If a bubble is based on REAL economic activities and growth, then it’s fine. Where the Wall Streeters got crazy was in finding ways to grow money supply without relating it to real economic activities. Let them try that in China and their heads will roll.
One thing that worries me is that they could review a lot of our history and fear unions, Liberal government regulations and the like; then skip forward to our more recent system (since 1981) where the Rich get ALL the profits of growth and everyone else is kept in a stasis.
We’re still looking to improve and evolve here in America. Who is going to drive the evolution in places still growing like China or India?
Pardon me, In reverse of the west, some are fond of saying China went through its dark ages in the 20th c.
Yes, I have had many compare and contrast conversations regarding HK, Mainland China and the US with a friend of mine. I always said that what drives some of us Dems in the Northeast is that we have a collective memory of crappy working standards, TB, shitty housing and the like from our grandparents and their parents and etc., and don’t want to go back to that crappy state of unfettered capitalism. Since change for the better in China can’t come like it did in HK– they are not overseas British citizens as HK was–it will come with a growing sense that the promise of “getting rich” is not enough. In other words, conflict . . . and it will be organic.
Pardon the language, but the idea of going back to the early industrial age really always bothers me. But it seems that’s what some rethugs want.
People in HK have memories of unfettered capitalism as well.
Yeah unfortunately, China still has only one union. To suggest they need better ones, will only get dirty looks. But they do.
Wal-Mart Loves Unions (In China)
And small wonder. Unions affiliated with the All-China Federation seldom push for wage increases or safer machinery. Indeed, the locals are often headed by someone from company management. Not that there isn’t worker discontent in China: Every week brings accounts of spontaneous strikes, and now and then an occasional riot over such lifestyle impediments as unpaid wages. But the role of the state-sanctioned unions isn’t to channel the discontent into achievable gains; it’s to contain it to the employer’s benefit.
The leaders of genuine workers’ movements in China don’t end up running the All-China Federation. They’re to be found in prison, in exile or in hiding.
Where is the empirical evidence for this claim? Most of the “high-tech” components in your computer are manufactured in China. And what is the empirical evidence that “marketing” is the demonstration of an advanced industrial society? Seems to me that “marketing” became gradually dominant as the industrial component of American society declined. Further, the article states that China has the fastest accumulation rate of new patents of any nation. Assuming this statement as fact, how does that square with your claim that they’re just a bunch of potters and chip welders?
Well, anyway, I’m a “buy American” guy and have been for years. But, I’m in the minority.
Thanks.
mp
Instead of being paranoid about China and the 21st Century, I prefer to think of them coming out of what most of Europe went through in the mid 20th Century and ending up somewhat like Europe in relation to us as time goes on. As China becomes wealthier, all those cheap products won’t be so cheap any more.
And the only serioiusly zero sum aspect of the game is fossil fuels. If we collectively don’t solve that one in a sustainable way, we are all screwed.
And for the USA, the military crap and imperial delusions are going to have to go. And that will happen because we won’t be able to afford it any more.
It will bankrupt us if we try, the same way it did the Soviets.
Our choice.