After The New York Times, in December, 2005, revealed that the NSA, under George Bush’s directive, had been eavesdropping on Americans citizens for years without the warrants required by law, very few commentators, and even fewer politicians, were willing to state the true meaning of what had been revealed: namely, that this was a flagrantly criminal act — a felony — punishable under FISA by 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine for each offense. Even more significantly, that revelation, more than any which preceded it, conclusively demonstrated the true face of the Bush presidency: a lawless regime which, in secret, had literally adopted a theory of executive power that vested the President with one of the definitive powers of a tyrant — the right to float above the law and to violate it at will.
For months after the NSA story was published, Beltway Republicans blindly defended the President’s lawbreaking, while Beltway Democrats, with rare exception, were so fearful of challenging the President on "terrorism" issues that, when asked about Bush’s FISA lawbreaking, they spouted babbling incoherence when they bothered to object to it at all. For that reason, the full extent of the Bush administration’s assault on our constitutional framework, to say nothing of the chronic criminality of our highest government officials, was never really conveyed to the public in the aftermath of the FISA scandal, because most political figures of any prominence, in both parties, abdicated their duties to demand that the President to adhere to the law.
One of the very rare exceptions to this craven lack of principle and cowardice was — and remains — Bruce Fein, a Harvard-trained constitutional lawyer, a long-time ideological conservative, and a former official in the Reagan Justice Department. While most of his fellow conservatives were defending anything and everything George Bush did, and most establishment Democrats were running away from these issues as fast as their scared little legs could carry them, Fein became one of the most eloquent and uncompromising defenders of our country’s constitutional values in the face of a coordinated onslaught led by Dick Cheney’s office and the Bush DOJ. Fein, to my knowledge, was the first prominent political figure to declare — in a December 27, 2005 Washington Times column that has aged exceptionally well — that Bush’s FISA lawbreaking was not only a threat to our republican principles, but was an impeachable offense, and he further argued that Congress had not the option, but the Constitutional duty, to impeach the President if the lawbreaking did not cease immediately:
Volumes of war powers nonsense have been assembled to defend Mr. Bush’s defiance of the legislative branch and claim of wartime omnipotence so long as terrorism persists, i.e., in perpetuity. Congress should undertake a national inquest into his conduct and claims to determine whether impeachable usurpations are at hand. As Alexander Hamilton explained in Federalist 65, impeachment lies for "abuse or violation of some public trust," misbehaviors that "relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. . . .
Congress should insist the president cease the spying unless or until a proper statute is enacted or face possible impeachment. The Constitution’s separation of powers is too important to be discarded in the name of expediency.
As further revelations of anti-democratic policies emerged — involving torture, rendition, due-process-less detentions and a whole slew of frivolous legal theories to shield the President’s behavior behind a wall of secrecy — Fein has remained one of the nation’s most relentless and tenacious critics of the Bush administration’s assault on our Constitution, as well as the inexcusable Congressional abdication in the face of this assault. He worked with Sen. Russ Feingold on the Wisconsin Senator’s resolution to censure Bush for violating FISA, and most of all, he has repeatedly urged that Congress fulfill its constitutional obligation by pursuing impeachment proceedings against this incomparably lawless President.
Fein has now made perhaps his most important contribution yet to the cause of defending the Constitution and the rule of law: his newly released book, Constitutional Peril: The Life and Death Struggle for Our Constitution and Democracy. As the title suggests, Fein argues and richly documents that, primarily as the result of the last eight years, America’s constitutional form of government is in imminent danger of extinction. Employing both his substantial constitutional expertise and his penchant for describing complex legal issues in clear and easy-to-understand terms, Fein details how the crux of our Constitutional guarantees have been gutted –not only by a lawless and power-grabbing administration, but also by a Congress that has allowed it to happen and, at least as much, by an American citizenry that has been tragically indifferent to safeguarding the liberties which the Founders guaranteed.
While other books have critiqued the Bush administration’s theories of executive power and chronicled its chronic lawbreaking, Fein very persuasively makes the case that, at this point, the blame is far more collective than suggested by those who simply heap blame on the White House. While the crimes of the Bush administration were originally conceived of and implemented in secret by a small group of executive branch officials, that is no longer the case. One by one, the criminal acts of the Bush administration has been revealed. Yet Congress has done virtually nothing in response, except to endorse the lawbreaking and immunize the criminals — as it did when it authorized the President’s detention and interrogation schemes with the 2006 bipartisan passage of the Military Commissions Act, as well as the 2008 enactment by the Democratic Congress of the FISA Amendments Act. And through it all, American citizens have expressed little outrage at the systematic evisceration of our core liberties.
The central project of Fein’s book is to examine the likelihood that these trends can be reversed. What, he asks, are the prospects for restoration of the Constitutional system that has served us so well for the last two centuries? The answer is one that most readers will be unhappy to hear, though there is little doubt that his answer is realistic. With a citizenry that has proven itself largely indifferent to these matters, a presidential election that has ignored them almost completely, and the general tendency of political officials — no matter how well-intentioned — to expand rather than contract their own power, Fein argues that, absent some unforeseeable and extraordinary changes, this erosion of our Constitution is likely to continue rather than abate, no matter who is in power.
Though pessimistic, Fein is not without hope — as evidenced by, at the very least, the fact that he has written this book, and has generally continued his forceful advocacy in defense of the rule of law. Within Fein’s grim assessment of where we are and are likely to go lies the template for persuading our fellow citizens of the urgency of these matters. As Fein recognizes, political institutions will respond to public will. It is that public will whichmust be galvanized, and Fein’s book is a vitally important tool in that cause.



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Bruce, Welcome to the Lake.
Glenn, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Hello. I am here and eager to examine the premises of the book.
Seconded.
Bruce, how long did it take to write this book?
Welcome Bruce – and thanks for all your work on behalf of the Constitution and the rule of law.
Why do you think that so many conservatives, who long claimed to stand for limited government and the rule of law, refused to oppose the radical expansions of federal power under the Bush administration?
Mr Fein, welcome to FDL. I have not had an opportunity to read your book but have followed your appearances on various Talking Heads shows and in Op-eds.
Thank you for your efforts to save the Constitution.
FDL has been fighting alongside you and trying to force the Congress to do it’s sworn oath to uphold the Constitution. How do we get the Congress members from both parties to recognize that there are those of us who care deeply about our land and what they’ve allowed it to become in our names?
There are no longer stateman as opposed to partisans in public office and public life. The so-called conservatives who relished yielding unchecked power to Bush will somersault as soon as Obama is sworn in and instantly celebrate separation of powers and an aggressive Congressional oversight role. The same happened regarding Senate confirmation of judges. With Bork and Reagan, conservative Republicans championed Senate deference to the President’s choice. But with Clinton, Senate Republicans changed their tune and insisted on tough philosophical scrutiny. There are no longer defenders of institutional prerogatives and the Constitution in lieu of champions of instant results or the Democratic or Republican party fortunes.
Hi Bruce, thanks for being here today. And thanks for all your tireless efforts on the FISA front.
If you could craft a bill tomorrow to address the worst abuses currently in place, what do you think would be the top 3 priorities?
I haven’t yet read the book, but where do you think we need to start to rollback all the egregiousness? My personal favorite is restoring habeas corpus. Does that make sense to you?
Thank you for being here. Do you have other things to add about how Bush et al have gotten away with so much lawlessness? Are you optimistic that we the people are going to get galvanized? Have you outlined a plan for the people’s actions? Thank you.
I also know you’re not in favor of “outsourcing” to the Hague our responsibility to hold the Bush Administration accountable. How do you believe we have the obligation to proceed?
Mr. Fein, I’ve seen you on Olbermann’s show. You are a strong voice of reason. Which Presidential Candidate would be more amenable to responding to the call to return America to its Constitutional underpinnings?
Please support legislation I am drafting for Walter Jones that would make it a criminal offense for the President to initiate war without prior congressional direction or to deceive Congress into authorizing war by inflating foreign danger. You should also make it a litmus test in congressional campaigns that you will not vote for a canidate who does not pledge to vote impeachment and conviction of a President who unilaterally initiates war, orders executive officials to ignore congressional subpoeanas or refuse to answer congressional questions, or flouts the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or other laws under an alleged national security banner. They should be litmus test criteria like guns are to the NRA.
Do you expect that the opposition among liberals and Democrats over the last 8 years to vastly expanded executive power will endure if there is a Democrat in the White House, or do you think most will end up supporting the Democratic President’s assertions of power no matter what?
Top three priorties would be: (1) prohibit the President from detaining alleged enemy combatants without accusation or charge; (2) prohibit the President from lying to Congress or the American people to elicit support for war; and, (3) prohibit the President from claiming executive privilege or state secrets to conceal information or testimony from Congress
Mr Fein, I am of the group of people who feels that part of the problem goes all the way back to President Ford’s pardon of Nixon, meaning so much of the Watergate crimes against the Constitution were allowed to be spun as “politics as usual.”
Then this was compounded by the pardons by Bush I of Caspar Weinberger, Elliot Abrams and others for their roles during Iran/Contra
Do you see the lack of accountability in these earlier crimes as playing a role in what folks in Bush II felt they could get away with?
Mr Fein, Do you suppose that revisiting the FISA issue and retrofitting the former rules will occur within the first two years?
Assuming the somersaulting is already beginning — it’s becoming politically acceptable even for the Faithful to disdain Bush, simply labelling opponents “unAmerican” no longer works, and the election may may even be perceived to demand rejection of Bush imperatives — do you perceive any basis on which impeachment could be moved to the foreground prior to January 20? Take, for example, the latest confirmation of Bush et al’s affirmative disdain for representative democracy, in the form of Interior accelerating (to one week) “review” of 300,000 comments to proposed rules eliminating environmental impact analyses… Is there a basis upon which the argument for vindication of the Constitution NOW can be sold persuasively?
I do not expect a President Obama to yield back power to Congress. No President has surrendered power voluntarily, and Obama has not campainged with a pledges to renounce signign statements, power to unilterally initiate war, or the power to withhold information from Congress. My personal contacts among Democrats in Congress is that the majority were complacent with the Bush-Cheney usurpations because they believe Obama will give them their powers back. As Shakespeare said, the wish is father to the delusional thought.
Bruce,
thank you so much for your I sigtful thinking and writing about our country’s constitutional meltdown. My question is, should the next president’s AG pursue criminal prosecutions against Bush administration malefactors after they leave office within the legal as opposed to political sphere? Should individuals who were surveilled, detained, censored, possibly denied the right to travel or fly to the detriment of their businesses and private lives pursue civil damages against former administration members?
Do you expect that Congressional Republicans will raise hell to rein in the excessive and unconstitutional powers they so readily gifted to Dubya?
I also have not read your book, but from the introduction here, somewhat of an idea of its contents is established.
Just as a complete economic collapse would likely remove the malfactors of great wealth, the political collapse of the present consortium may be necessary to eliminate their hold on political power. Once the constituted political safeguards are breached, it will be next to impossible to restore their original force, the path surmounting the safeguards is established. The time of the American Republic is over, what will eventually replace it is yet to be written, another Republic? some other quasi authoritarian scheme? developing a democracy? devolution into regional states? It will be interesting times to say the least. YMMV
The accountability issue goes back further than Ford’s pardon etc. Illegal wars have become routinized since Truman and Korea with no congressional authorization. Then came LBJ’s lies about Vietnam to dupe Congress into the Tonkin Gulf authorization for war. You are correct that there is a sense in Washington, D.C. that no one should be accountable for constitutional trangressions-that all defenders of the Constitution have ulterior partisan motivations. Remember the Bush-Cheney duumvirate revealed their worst constitutional crimes to the congressional leadership, e.g., waterboarding and illegal surveillances to Pelosi ,Reid, etc., confidant that the Members of Congress would remain silent and become aiders and abettors of the crimes. They calculated correctly.
Bruce, welcome to FDL. And thanks much, Glenn for the great introductory piece.
This book is wonderfully written, and full of the sort of depth that has been lacking from far too many in politics making the decisions for the rest of us the last few years. Thanks so much for writing it, Bruce. I’m sure you have gotten quite a bit of flack from the party hacks in the GOP the last few years, but I’m interested in how much support you have also gotten from people who put the rule of law and national interests ahead of power plays?
Would that more folks had stood up several years ago when the FISA mess and the unravelling of DOJ mores began to leak out to the public at large…
Welcome Mr Fein, and thank you for your tireless efforts on behalf of our founding document and its principles. Do you think the Clinton impeachment immunized the polity to a subsequent, much more earned impeachment, one much more deserving based on actual high crimes and misdemeanors?
I worry that our political wisdom has somehow become that impeachment has been tarnished by its misapplication in the 1990s, and that the tool is forever “off the table.”
And thanks, Glenn, for this introduction and your hard work also.
The new AG should investigate and prosecute Bush, Cheney, and persons with command responsibility over the executive branch with complicity in torture and criminal violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Obama should disclose every American citizen who was illegally surveilled by Bush-Cheney in violation of FISA to afford them the opportunity to sue for damages under the statute. If Obama does neither, then we are back to the French adage–the more things change, the more they stay the same.
What a tragic summary…Truman, Johnson, Ford, etc etc etc. No wonder so many think Lawlessness is fine and no accountability is to be feared. With so little honor, how do we think we can be “righted?”
this is my question as well and hope that both you glenn and bruce will give it a shot.
i’ve been astonished by the apparent willingness of dems to overlook obama’s actions on fisa and the wall street bailout and also on biden’s role is lying to both congress and the american people (in his role as chair of the senate foreign relations committee) to gin up support for the iraq war.
i’d like to think that will change after the election, but at this point it’s nothing more than hope.
Hello Mr. Fein. I too am concerned that the rule of law has been dimished in favor of the rule of power. For it is the desire for power that has driven neocons to politicise justice, the press and lobbyist in turn influence legislation.
On Bill Moyers last year you and Mr. Nichols pressed for accountability or at least a reign on Bushco unchecked power by impeachment. I was heartened to hear that fron a former White House office of legal counsel.
What hsa stopped this action?
Wherever I speak the audiences are highly enthusiastic. The American people crave leadership and the inspiration that comes from honoring the Constitution and Declaration of Independence without ulterior motives or partisan calculation. But my personal experience is that public officeholders remain in a small-minded and mean-spirited intellectual and moral universe that treats politics like a football game. We must evict them from office with our votes to move forward.
Speaking of a new AG, are there any candidates you think would be best qualified to unravel the mess that has been made of Justice the last few years? Would love your thoughts on who might be good at piecing the DOJ back together…
Bruce
Thanks for joining us at the Lake and writing an important book.
You argue that “the power of public opinion remains invincible” citing Harriet Miers’ failed SCOTUS appointment.
But that’s not right. It was a very contorted sort of public opinion that embarrassed Bush into withdrawing her nomination–one representing a well-organized, but narrowly focused lobby looking to stack the court.
And elsewhere, public opinion has failed. We tried hard with FISA–and significantly affected polling on the issue–but that wasn’t enough to embarrass Congress out of caving to the President on immunity. In that case, the telecom lobbyists were able to overcome public opinion.
So what needs to happen to make public opinion do its job again? And can we really expect to hold the President accountable when we don’t yet have public opinion that’s working?
I agree with your subpotimal optimism. I see nothing in the thinking of Obama or Democratic Party political dynamics that signals any diminution of the hyper-bloated powers of the President. The clearest example–Obama has never uttered a syllable indicating he would renounce any claim to initiate war unilaterally, whether it means chasing Osama with American troops in Pakistan or Uzbekistan or responding to intelligence asserting Iran has acquired nuclear weaspons.
My wife regularly calls her family overseas, that should guarantee that we have been illegally surveilled, should it not? There would be millions of citizens like us. Though it would be right to sue, it could take many years to get through the caseload. I don’t see an Obama AG going after Bush, Cheney or any principal players. Do you?
My regular experience is that Members of Congress count their emails, FAXES, and letters that are non-trivial in number. The first bail-out vote in the House failed because of a furious public. Members must be told by the public that they will lose office at the next election if they do not restore checks and balances and defend the Constitution. That must be a litmus test for voting to convince Members to end their effeteness.
Bruce,
Thank you for your good work in trying, often against very difficult odds, to uphold the Constitutional and civil liberties. I very much look forward to reading your book.
In the meantime, could you please outline for us a basic plan of action for reforming the Department of Justice, post-Mukasey. Where would you start? With OLC perhaps? And what would you do about the so-called non-political career appointees that Monica Goodling and her cohort like embedded in DOJ.
Any suggestions as to whom a President Obama should pick as AG or DAG? My vote goes to Pat Fitzgerald.
This isn’t entirely true. When he responded to Charlie Savage’s questionnaire in the Boston Globe back in January, this exchange occurred:
Arguably, that exception will swallow the principle. And Obama did go on to say that “In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent.”
So he has hardly been a stalwart leader on these issues, but it’s a good idea to use what he has said to hold him to it.
I don’t foresee Obama rocking the boat. His signature theme is avoidance of controversy and seeking consensus. He has already said he discerns nothing criminal or impeachable perpetrated by the Bush-Cheney duumvirate despite the fact that the incriminating evidence is overwhelming, public, notorious, and flaunted by the President and Vice President.
Is this a situation, per FDR, where we can make him do it?
Mr. Fein and Mr. Greenwald-
Thank you so much for your efforts.
I’ll not ask you to ‘talk me down’ but I do feel compelled to express my opinion that it is going to be even harder to shake the complacency of the Washington establishment under an Obama Presidency.
And more vital to do so than ever.
Thank you again.
Bruce;
It is wonderful to ’see’ you here.
I truly appreciate that you spoke out early, and clearly regarding the usurpations of perogative and the deliberate dismembering of the Constitution.
Today you have confirmed my suspicians regarding our loyal opposition, who have chosen the complicity of ‘loyalty’ over their obligation of ‘opposition.
Some have suggested that the Democrats have been bslckmailed into going along, I have maintained that they quite happily went along, convinced of their ‘wisdom’ and ‘untouchablity’ as powers that be.
I am convinced that the Political Class, as a whole, has abondoned both ‘the people’ and the Constitution, except as we may prove of some use to thier ‘designs’.
I note your optimism, which I share, that this state of affairs shall not long endure, if and only if, the people rise to the moment (and the economic ‘meltdown’ has them off of their chairs and on their feet already … beginning to concentrate the mind, as it were).
Obama shall certainly need all of our ‘help’ to do what is needful.
Even if we must make him do it.
I am assuming that you agree that an Obama Presidency is preferable to the alternative, though by how much, only time shall tell.
Obama is educable one hopes, while McCain must leave one doubtful, at best.
Congress, on the other foot, leaves much to be desired … genuine courage would be a start, coupled with the understanding that ‘they’ work for the people and not what has come to be termed, the Ari$rocracy.
Bruce,
Thank you for furthering my education. I had to go to wiki via Google to see if maybe you had coined a new term for excess dumbness when you used:
Bruce,
You seem to have a zero-good-news outlook on what might happen during an Obama administration in regards to the subject of the day. Is it really nothing more than pie in the sky to hope or believe that Obama the Candidate is not the full picture of who Obama the President might turn out to be? I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable that he will deal with some of the chicanery and those who have been responsible for some of the chicanery that has gone on during the past eight years after he is no longer a candidate.
delurking to welcome mr fein to the lake and to offer my thanks to him for standing up for the constitution and also to agree ith him on this response to mr greenwald… ohhhh you’re sooo right!!!!!
Obama received many thousands of emails imploring him to denounce the gutting of FISA, but he caved anyway. Driftglass said he treated FISA like a speedbump in his campaign. The Judicial oversight aspect of FISA has been gutted in the reform bill has it not? How likely is it that Obama can be made to repair that element?
DOJ should issue regulations forbidding any contact between the WH and DOJ except for President-AG communications. No calls should be permitted by Members of Congress, even status inquiries which can be done by letter. The AG should issue a regulation refusing to defend any claim of executive privilege or state secrets by the executive branch before Congress, and announce that a President’s unilateral initiation of war would trigger resignation. The Honors Program should return to pure merit-base selections with no political-religious test oaths. The Senate should confirm the head of OLC only if the nominee declares under oath that he views the chief mission as saying no to the President.
Glenn! So good to see you here, touting the great work of a conservative with a conscience!
I have always said the real purpose of privacy protection is not to guard information that might be embarrassing
the real purpose is to guard that information we are most proud and the democrats have framed this discussion wrong from the outset
without privacy protection and official using the cover of their office can listen to my business meetings, they can discover who I buy from, who I sell, what price I am willing to pay, what price I do pay, they can find out what I will charge and to whom I will sell
they can compete with me and steal information vital to the survival of my family and livelihood
AND THEY WILL
they can discover my invention before the patent is applied, they can plagiarize my manuscript, they can circumvent any arrangement I might have in the works
they can find the code for my new operating system, they can patent the method I have invented which might give engines 20 percent more efficiency
AND THEY WILL
on the personal side;
they can listen to my daughters conversations, find out where she will be and when she will be alone, a depraved individual using the cover of his office can track my daughter, my wife, my son, they will have the ability to do whatever depraved acts are done when those deranged get a hold of this kind if information and power
THESE are the REAL reasons we need privacy protection
all a warrant does is insure someone isn’t using information for their own private purpose, THAT’S IT
a person using the cover of their official office can listen to law makers, they can find which way the wind blows and they can pressure, bribe and coerce these lawmakers into passing bills or rewriting law
AND THEY WILL
the ONLY reason a person would want the right to invade privacy without anyone to make sure they aren’t stealing IS BECAUSE THEY ARE STEALING
THAT is the way this discussion NEEDED to be framed
“against the constitution”, “violating my rights”, “invading my privacy’ do not put the face on what is going on
people use the tired defense;
“if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear”
that is WRONG on EVERY level, I need to protect thoes things I NEED TO HIDE, so that I can have a successful business, so that my family sleeps safe, so that my lawmakers fight FOR THE PEOPLE and not for those who have gathered “uncomfortable information”
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I would like the new AG to have been removed completely from the President’s political campaign. Three candidates come to mind: US District Judge Royce Lamberth, former Congressman Tom Campbell, sitting US Court of Appeals Judge for the 4th Circuit J. Harvey Wilkinson.
It would seem to me that one of the most important things that has been overlooked is education. Without an educated public, none of the things we speak of here will make any difference. We need to demand an overhaul of our educational system so future generations of Americans even understand the importance of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. If people do not understand the very importance of something, they cannot and will not fight for it.
The founders declared Indenpence from from totalitarian rule and many other offences they outlined in the Constitution. Habeous is one of many which have been trod on by the Corporate Oligarchy headed by Bushco. No accountability no change. I am sure you have enumerated them in your book which I look forward to reading. Keep up the good work. Progressives need all the help we can get.
My acceptable presidential campaign platform would include, as the first three items:
1. End all foreign military occupations, starting with Iraq and Afghanistan, then moving across the Western Hemisphere, then to Africa, etc.
2. Abolish all Executive Orders issued since January 20, 2001.
3. Renounce all signing statements issued within the same time frame.
These three might give us a chance to reclaim our freedoms and our Constitution.
the right to privacy-the right to be left alone by the government-is the most cherished by civilized people. It vividly expresses the idea that governments are established to secure the individual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Government has no power that we the people have not given. Privacy protection promotes robust citizenship and spontaneity and courage that are the lifeblood of democracy and a tranquil citizenry.
Glenn, your writing and your point of view have been excellent WRT the FISA issue and the enabling complicity of Congressional Democrats. I never comment at Salon. Just wanted to say thanks.
Our heads are unbowed to King George as were our for-fathers.
My own impression is that the reform of the DOJ in itself would be a task on the order of Hercules cleaning the Augean stables.
Is it even possible to expect the next administration to address both the damage done to our constitution and that done our economy?
Thank you Mr. Fein and Greenwald! I am so very disappointed in Pelosi’s refusal to act in the face of the most blatant and criminal wrongdoing, and the over-all avoidance of any kind of oversight and accountability beyond the “strongly worded” rebuke.
The Framers were exceptionally thoughtful about the tri-parte checks and balances. Today, sadly, not so much.
Do you think there’s any chance that we’ll see the seemingly dormant DeLay/Buckham side of the Abramoff investigation kick-started back into motion by an Obama DOJ?
The line seems to have been drawn at the level of the hapless Congressman Ney, but whatever happened to the obvious co-conspirators, DeLay, Buckham, Mrs. Buckham, Norquist and Reed?
I totally agree that Obama would be unlikely to cede any of the powers that GWB has wrested from the Congress voluntarily for the same reason that you stated: no President ever has. OTOH, I would like to know how you think this man, as a trained constitutional lawyer and law Professor, justifies this and his own votes, such as the FISA vote, to himself. Do you think it was as self-serving as he wanted those powers for himself when he becomes President, or for some more nebulous but perhaps not as (for lack of the better word) threatening a reason?
This paragraph most eloquently describes the truth of the relation between a people and their government, in a society which claims democratic traditions.
Well spoken, truly.
WIlkinson would be an intriguing choice given his reported rationale for opposition on the Heller case. Didn’t he clerk for Justice Powell at one point before teaching at UVa, or am I thinking about a different 4th Cir. judge? Not certain he’d be on my list…
First of all, thank you for being there early and often to defend the constitution.
Patrick Fitzgerald has also been mooted as an AG candidate. What do you think about that possibility.
I agree with the core idea. The Republic is being destroyed by perpetual warfare against international terrorism and a hugely expensive global military footprint and presence that is making the American people less safe, less free, and less prosperous. We should return all US soldiers to the United States (which would end resentments awakened by killing civilians inadvertantly or otherwise and the indignities of a foreign occupation, spend DOD dollars on defense (not offense)to improve spying and border control and retaliatory capabilities, and promise never to initiate warfare for any reason but to obliterate any country that would attack the United States. That in substance was the national security posture of the Founding Fathers beginning with George Washington.
Or how about Comey?
to use a borrowed and well-worn word….. DITTO!
Thanks Bruce and thanks Glenn. Just wanted to say that in case the conversation has completed by the time I get back from purchasing some bean dip at the store. I had a sudden ‘need bean dip’ attack.
Oh and thanks also for being *here*.
I too want to thank the writers and commenters on Firedoglake for providing important information and details that aren’t available via most TV news shows and newspapers. The Book Salons are particularly wonderful! And thanks to Bruce Fein for important contributions to this country.
Starting with Alaska, no doubt!
My experience and expectation is that an Obama administration will close its eyes to everything under Bush-Cheney (bettering Palin’s inane instruction about not playing the “blame” game, which would mean forgetting, among other things, 9/11). And Members of Congress continue to crave but two things, with rare exceptions–earmarks and irresponsibility for the nation’s fate.
I think Comey would have issues of his own to address in any set of approval hearings — especially with regard to Padilla. Despite what he tried to do at a later point to remedy his judgment issues, what happened with Padilla was under his watch with his approval, despite him being a US citizen…and that still leaves a bad taste, with many unanswered questions.
Plus, Comey is beyond conservative on law and order issues. He’d be a great DAG, but I’m not certain I’d want him helping policy shaping, to be perfectly honest. He’s a straight arrow in terms of internal DOJ culture, though, but would he be the right person to come back in after all the mess that occurred while he was there? Or would he be more valuable being brought in from the outside but not running policy?
It’s going to be a tough road back for DOJ. But experienced folks are going to be a huge part of the equation in resolving those problems…the question is where best and how best to use them?
Comey played a semi-heroic role in March of 2004, but I still am thoroughly puzzled as to what Bush changed in the illegal spying that made Comey believe it was legal. He has not said, and Bush continued to spy with no warrants until January of 2007.
I’d love some answers to that as well.
Mr. Fein, you have hit on the most problematic reason: people’s unwillingness to get actively involved in saving their Constitution. Even my politically astute friends were indifferent to the FISA fight or to impeachment. They come up with the wildest “strategy” reasons why it’s not a good thing to rock the boat.
Copies of your book will be among very few Christmas gifts I will spend money on this year – as many copies I can afford plus 1 for my local library.
It will not be the external enemy that will prevail, but the internal contradictions that will undermine the government.
Oh, and John, here’s hoping. If ever a nest of vipers needed full clearing out, it is that one.
Mr Fein,
I have long hoped that YOU will become our next Attorney General! We need your excellent knowledge of Constitutional Law and your enduring courage in open defense of the rule of law. If asked, I beg you to accept.
I first saw and heard you as a witness on the House Judiciary Committee on torture. Since that day you have been number one on my most respected person in America list.
My special thanks to Glenn, FDL and all you fine participants here.
I think Fitzgerald has impressive credentials, but I think the greatest constitutional mischief has been with checks and balances, executive privilege, signing statements and war powers where his expertise and experience are not his strongest points. We need an AG who would look the President, DOD, and national security team in the eye and instruct them that initiating war with Iran over nuclear weapons unless Congress is informed of all the facts known to the executive and passes a law directing that war be undertaken would be an impeachable offense that would trigger a noisy and public resignation.
So then, Bruce, you would suspect that Cass Sunstein’s statement that we “must not crimminalize POLITICAL behavior” shall define the Obama Presidency with ‘respect’ toward Bush-Cheney?
I would agree and should like to have Mr. Sunstein respond to this question (which I am quite certain shall never vex his complacency).
Should we then not politicize CRIMMINAL behavior?
Absolutely. Whatever it was that they reacted so strongly against must have been something truly awful.
And, yes, Christy, your point viz Comey above is well-taken. So maybe not Comey.
I would be an ingrate if I neglected to express my appreciation for your sentiments and enthusiasm to move politics and thinking to a new plane that honors the wisdom of the ages and the Founding Fathers. At present, to borrow from Henry V before Agincourt, we are few, a happy few, a band of brothers and sisters, but we will leave our footprints in the sands of time.
Bruce, thanks so much for being here to discuss your book today. And especially for all the times you spoke up when so few others dared to do so. Bravo.
That Cass Sunstein could turn a guy off Obama. You know who I like now? Cynthia McKinney. Its no time to waste a vote in Florida though. With all his faults Obama is light years better than McPentagonBloat.
I was inititially stunned about Cass Sunstein’s complacency. I do not perceive what the Democrats think is politically advantageous about ignorng the egregious Bush-Cheney impeachable offenses and crimes–unless they hope to do the same with the same impunity.
The shredding of the Constitution over the past 7 years has been absolutely overt. There was no need for the Bush Crime family to do much to hide it as they had the “war card” and “security card” to play any time they wanted to. It drowned out the voices like yours, Richard Clark’s, Charlie Savage’s, Glenn’s et al who tried to shout from the rooftops.
Now the economy will provide the din that will drown out those of us who can see that the root of all evil is the subversion of the Constitution. I, like you, have little hope that the next administration will even want to talk about it. Once power has been gained, those in power would be fools to abdicate it—or so they think.
Bruce, do you see any precipitating factor that could truly start an insurrection that would be loud enough to get the citizens of the country’s attention?
Many thanks Bruce and Glenn. It’s a grim picture you paint, but I’d like to think the benchmarks you’ve identified give us a concrete place to begin. It certainly clarifies for me the bare minimums for all those representatives so deserving of a primary challenger.
Thanks again.
Many, many thanks, Bruce, for joining us tonight for what turned out to be a spirit discussion.
Mr. Greenwald, nice work at Salon and here.
Mr. Fein not bad for a conservative. G) Always enjoy your wisdom.
Jane, Christy and EW you are making America a better place as well as the world. I am sur eyou already know it but dossn’t hurt to say this and other progressive site keep my head from exploding. Thank you.
Thanks for the promotion. A President who would nominate me and a Senate that would confirm would be a signal that a constitutional revolution had come to America that would restore the creed of our founding years.
Hi Bruce. Thanks for being here today. As I was reading down through the first part of the thread, you mentioned Barack has never mentioned signing statements. He has. Here’s a video of him talking about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seAR1S1Mjkc
just want to add my thanks to bruce and glenn for all your work.
Here, Here, & Amen.
Thank you, Bruce, for visiting us and sharing your much appreciated perspectives, for steadfastly standing for Democracy and for having, and displaying the courage, which so many appear to lack, and for caring enough to behave like a true patriot, as oppossed to a ‘flag-pin’ partiot,
DW
I think the external enemies are creating the political dynamics at home that are destroying the Constitution’s architecture. As Madison presciently said, if oppression and tyranny come to the United States, it will come in the guise of fighting a foreign danger multiplied a millionfold.
Late but wondering if there were any thoughts on people like Comey and Goldsmith who had problems with some of Bush’s extra-Constitutional excesses but not others.
I would not disagree but that could depend on how vocal the progressive base will be in pressuring the Obama Administration into upholding the Rule of Law and the Constitution.
Although the prospect is grim, what may be needed to shake the American people from complacency and aloofness from politics are presidential wars in Iran and Pakistan and Ukraine (if Russia bites at Sevastopol). The deaths, the staggering costs, the futility may provoke the American people to forcing the impeachment clause back into the Constitution. As was said in As You Like It: Sweet are the uses of adversity, which like the toad, ugly and venemous, wears yet a precious jewel in its head.
As I coincidentally said in a diary posted earlier today…Obama’s first duty is to bring Bush & his gang and complicit Republicans to justice…from election 2000 to yesterday this plethora of the most serious serial crime… including war crime mass murder…. cannot be tolerated or America is surely a gasping husk of it’s former self.
Mr Fine, I just wanted to thank you for speaking out.
All this Constitutional wisdom and the Bard as well….thanks for the afternoon you spent with us. We, too, are wiser.
Jay Wilkinson has written that Heller is the Roe v. Wade for conservatives. He did clerk for Powell, is a fiercely independent thinker with whom I occasionally reluctantly disagree, but commnands the stature and moxie to be a great AG. A modern version of former Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina who earned Watergate fame.
That’s a pretty impressive statement on signing statements. It’s on video. He will have to observe it.
As an outsider I have a slightly more optimistic take than Bruce. I think some of the soft-pedalling on issues, including FISA, has been precisely because there’s an election on. The whole Dem machine wanted to avoid the “soft on terrorists” meme having legs. They’ve succeeded.
True some of the powers will be kept, but a lot of the alleged powers are not actually real, and I simply don’t see a President Obama pushing back against the legal establishment, of which bruce is a proud example, as Bushco has.
As we come to the end of this great Book Salon,
Bruce, Thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon with us discussing your book.
Glenn, Thank you very much for Hosting this Book Salon.
Everyone, if you haven’t bought this excellent book, there is a link above.
Thanks all.
I’m with you.
I agree. The main reason that I was for Obama over Clinton during the primary is that I’d seen something in Obama that caused me have some hope that he will not want to just tune us out. If we make our case, he will hear it and help us to make the case also. I could be dreaming but I ain’t dead yet so that’s my right.
As we speak, Bush is
directingasking DOJ to ‘act’ on concerns surrounding mis-matched records and recent voter registrations in Ohio.I’d say Bush acts as if there is no chance of his ever having to face any consequences for a single thing he or his minions have done.
At least it will be a little less painful than 2004, when I was sure some justice would be forthcoming.
My disappointment in the Democrats, who seem to be satisfied just to get “their turn” knows no bounds.
An Obama administration could be a welcome surprise. Anyone in politics knows that nothing is certain. Only a fool would think there is zero chance that Obama might renounce Bush’ usurpations and prosecute Bush administration officials. But ordinarily a candidate seeks a public mandate for particular policies that will provoke sharp controversy. And I have not seen or heard Obama make campaign themes over such things as renouncing detentions of enemy combatants without accusation or charge, kidnappings and abusive interrogations abroad, ending the US global military footprint and presence permanently, or criminally prosecuting Bush for implication in waterboarding and five years of FISA violations. I hope my skepticism about Obama proves unfounded.
Bruce – Thank you for visiting the Lake today!
If Sarah Palin is found by the Alaska Personnel Board (Petumenos) to be Chargeable/Indictable on a Misdemeanor Ethics Violation (Abuse of Power) in the Troopergate Scandal, Do you think it should be made Public before the Election?
Thanks everyone for splendid questions and participation. We are all Americans before any other loyalty or enthusiasm.
Thank you Bruce and Glenn and FDL, what a fabulous discussion.
fingers crossed, may you be right
Obama clearly explained and denounced signing statements to his audience in Kay’s youtube video link at comment #92. So there’s that one thing on record.
Thank you Bruce and everyone here for such an enlightening discussion.
Thanks Glenn, thanks Bruce!
The FISA violations and impeachment were the first issues I encountered when introduced to the ‘Lake. I thank the skillful and informed contributors here for educating this uneducated person. Like some other commenters here, I was sadly disappointed when the FISA legislation failed, complete with Obama’s blessing. I was quite annoyed with him. But with such a slim majority in the Senate . . . and recognizing that he could do NOTHING if he did not win the Presidency, I gave him a pass (and my vote). Someone above acknowledged our ‘uneducated public’, and sadly, that is a significant part of the problem in reclaiming our Constitution. It is wondrous how vocal the electorate can be when economic matters threaten their welfare. They must be taught that equally perilous is the continued erosion of our Constitution for political purposes. If only Constitutional issues could be tied to economic matters, the electorate might more quickly be engaged. If the economy continues its downward spiral, and citizens recognize the power of our collective voice, perhaps media might spend a bit more ink or air-time educating us and empowering us . . . but certainly not media in its current incarnation.
Just because Obama may not utilize the powers that Bush employed does not mean the precedent does not stand if legally challenged. Another Republic President (or another Democratic one, for that matter) may decide to use those powers that Bush put into practice, and s/he may get away with it, since there is nothing left to say it’s illegal because no one has objected strenuously enough when it was used previously.
I have sent the following message to Senators Cantwell and Murray (my Washington senators)and to the DNC and Barack Obama. We must start taking action now to hold their feet to the fire.
“You are about to become the IN FACT party of power and will be held accountable to those of us who are putting you in that position. We expect that you will begin to behave in exactly that way. For now your ‘top three priorties would be: (1) prohibit the President from detaining alleged enemy combatants without accusation or charge; (2) prohibit the President from lying to Congress or the American people to elicit support for war; and, (3) prohibit the President from claiming executive privilege or state secrets to conceal information or testimony from Congress.’ We don’t give a damn that it will be Barack Obama in the office. Never again will we submit to a unitary executive.”
Internal quote from Firedoglake Book Salon 10-26-08
The Republicans have been criminals for as long as I can recall — all my life. Eisenhower let it happen. Nixon was the smart one and he led it. Reagan was the stupid one and he couldn’t remember doing it. Bush 41 was quiet about it, but still said the American public would lynch them if it was known what they’d done to America. Newt was another “smart” one who let it go on and led us to our current disasters. Dubya let it all out in the open without inhibition. The only thing he hasn’t done is to crown himself in public.
If America hasn’t had enough of these guys then we’re all stupid.
Is there any true Conservative today who kneels on bended knee to the Communist (in their opinion) Constitution of the U.S.A. which calls for the sovereign to be “the people”? I’d like to be kind to Republicans who appear civil and who don’t harm me, but there are so few. If it takes the extremes of George W. to rile them, then they just aren’t very bright or maybe it’s just that their special interests aren’t getting enough earmarks.
Even during the Clinton administration there were a few and we were not served well by any of them.
Over the last 28 years there have been 5 Republican terms and it’s hard to name more than 2 or 3 things they have done which benefited anyone but themselves. However, the list of their stupid, selfish, destructive, criminal activities is enough to fill volumes.
Even this evening on 60_Minutes they discussed the Credit Default Swaps and placed the blame squarely on Bill Clinton. How dare those bastards. They didn’t even mention Newt Gingrich and the Republican majority Congress for the entire story. They’re not quite Liberal for sure.
We need to lay out who did what and place blame. If Americans never get the story straight, then how can our politics go foward properly?
We need many things, but one is a new Dem 9/11 commission and for Bush & Co to go to jail after he leaves office. If we can’t even do those kinds of things, then how can we say we’re ‘good or smart people’?
“No President has surrendered power voluntarily,”
So President Carter fought against the FISA bill to reign in Nixonian Presidential antics?
Maybe you should rephrase it… No ‘dishonest’ President has surrendered power voluntarily.
Way epu’d – but this is a book I’ll buy. Thank you for writing it. 51 – the suggestgion of US District Judge Royce Lamberth kind of blew me away, but I think that with his briefings and exchanges with DOJ on the illegal, unconstitutional program, he probably would have too many conflicts to steer the boat, but I really like the thought process.
I look forward to reading this – at long last something holding up the Republican side, not a Yoo, Flanigan, Gonzales, Bradbury, Ashcroft etc. piece of nonsense, but a smart guy with principals. Thank you for constantly coming back to the need to do the right thing, the Constitutional thing, the moral thing.