Reports are surfacing that banks haven’t noticeably increased lending because of the bailout money and they bloody well don’t intend to, thanks. Gee, what a surprise, the bailout didn’t fix what it was supposed to. No one could have predicted.
"Twenty-five billion dollars is obviously going to help the folks who are struggling more than Chase," he began. "What we do think it will help us do is perhaps be a little bit more active on the acquisition side or opportunistic side for some banks who are still struggling. And I would not assume that we are done on the acquisition side just because of the Washington Mutual and Bear Stearns mergers. I think there are going to be some great opportunities for us to grow in this environment, and I think we have an opportunity to use that $25 billion in that way and obviously depending on whether recession turns into depression or what happens in the future, you know, we have that as a backstop."
In other words, as long as banks are being allowed to buy up failed competitors for cents on the dollar, they’re going to keep their powder dry and not lend. Add to that that they don’t much want to lend going into a horrible recession, and that many of them don’t look too liquid even after the bailout, and not only aren’t they going to lend, they’re going to keep contracting credit.
The correct policy responses are simple enough:
First, as discussed before, you give the FDIC a mandate to take over banks which are contracting credit. "Too sick to lend? Too sick to live." That will concentrate CEOs minds on doing what they’re being paid to do (by the government) very well.
Second, use the Fed’s leverage. It has made a pile of loans to the banks on lousy collateral through various facilities. No specific bank has to keep access. If the Fed says "are you not lending because you don’t have enough money?" and they reply "oh no, we’re fine" you should then reply "great, then you won’t need special access any more!" If they reply "no, we’re still low on money" you tell the FDIC to take them over, or you make an explicit deal of "if we buy X dollars you will do Y lending. Sign here."
Third: no more banks must be thrown on the market at cents on the dollar. All future banks must be run by the FDIC and either refloated as their own entities, or shut down. There must be no more "deals" available.
Fourth: no bailouts without effective control. Not only does the public get voting shares, it gets to choose the CEO. If the banks don’t like that, they don’t have to take the money. But if they don’t take the money, and they don’t lend, the FDIC takes them over and the government sweeps all the executives out. Their choice.
The US has shoved 5 trillion dollars at this problem since the crisis started last year. Enough is enough. Money alone is clearly not sufficient, and that means more stern measures need to be taken. The financial industry, whose hubris is so great they just announced 70 billion of bonuses for themselves after getting a taxpayer bailout, needs to learn that they exist for the purpose of serving the overall economy, not themselves. This is especially true of banks, whose entire business model relies on the government giving them the right to create money, to borrow money at concessionary rates that no one else receives, and so on. Banks are entirely creatures of the government who exist because the government gives them what amounts to a license to print money under certain circumstances. They are in no way a "naturally free market".
So if they won’t do what they have to do, if they won’t responsibly execute their duties to the country, then they will have to be made to do so, and it is the government’s duty to make that happen.
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sheeeeeeesh
Makes good sense, Ian.
Which is exactly why BushCo won’t do anything like it. Obama and Company? Maybe, who knows?
aye Carumba
Im so very sick of the GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY
they are gypsies tramps and thieves…wheres Cher to sing?
Cher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWeezUxIzaE
simply stated, they are using OUR money to buy out from under US
BRILLIANT!
I said it before, we are giving MORE of our money to the very people that STOLE it in the first place
and someone actually thought they wouldn’t steal again?
we are morons
It was just bribery money by us to tell the banks to let go of their money. Their money is still being held hostage as we speak.
somebody needs to stop this,they think its a fire sale
((((((sadly)))))
bom dia pups
HOLA {{{{{Wobbs}}}}}
The more I hear, the more I learn, the more I realize this is an unmitigated disaster. What a racket. The conflict of interest ALONE is enough to scream the sirens.
The money given to banks has been parked with the Fed, to earn interest.
What a screw job.
Dow 5500 – 6000.
im off to spend quality time with an octogenarian…watch the BRIT COMS see yall little bit later..{{{{mwah}}}
No we are not morons, perris.
The Political Class has betrayed us in favor of the Ari$tocracy.
racket…as in racketeers
RICO their asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have fun, sadly
See ya later Sadlyyes!
Welcome to the Oligarchic Corporatocracy.
This is why in Britain the government forced banks it invested in to eliminate employee bonuses and to perform inter-bank loans. But here, in America, that would be SOCIALIST. Here, we’re just suppose to hand over public money and expect to have no say in how it’s used. All hail the free market… paid for with public money.
Thanks Ian.
digg
Stealing large amounts of money is a Bush Crime Family kind of thing. Johnny McTeleprompter has no problem hanging with the Bush Mafia in style either…
http://whitenoiseinsanity.file…..072108.jpg
The sign on the front of the golf cart states: “Property of Bush #41. Hands off.”
They’re such a nice giving family as you can see.
Hey if Greenspan couldn’t see (after years of it happening under his nose) that financial institutions would pursue their short term greedy ways at the expense of their long term “enlightened self-interest”, can any of us blame Paulson who ran the biggest and greediest of these institutions not seeing it either?
Ian’s ideas aren’t bad but Paulson will never adopt them. I have considerable doubt that Obama’s chief economic adviser Robert Rubin would either. Sheila Bair might. But for Paulson, Bernanke, and Greenspan they still support the same financial system and players that produced the meltdown and, despite the trillions lavished on them or to do what they should have been doing, the institutions have no reason to wean themselves off such a rich, sweet government teat or pursue in Greenspan’s joke phrase their “self-interest.”
Have fun laughing!
In a Friday news dump, Wall Street Journal reported that Treasury has canceled plans to make public notice of which banks receive TARP funds.
Also state regulated insurance companies along with the auto industry and other corporations want access to the FEDERAL trough. AFAIK, states should be ahead of all of them.
Thanks for all your work on this. I have really liked what you have written about non-inflationery solutions such as extending unemployment benefits and food stamps.
I hope you are able to stay on all aspects of this this “like white on rice.”
Feingold voted against TARP, I wonder if he would be willing to carry the liberal/progressive flag against corporate welfare.
OT, I think Wall Street is using the run-up to the election as a distraction. They want to suck up as much of the $700 billion as they can as soon as they can.
Exactly.
If you listen to their rhetoric they always talk about saving the financial sector or the finance industry. But this is not only PART of the economy, it’s misbehavior is what is destroying the REST of the economy along with idiotic tax policy and failure to trust bust and regulate corporate activities which bring us Enrons and World Coms and the Casinos of Wall Street.
The money to “fix the economy” needs to be injected into Main Street; low interest lows, re fi of existing mortgages, reduce CC interest to 10% and max amount of credit to 15% (or some reasonable amount) of annual income and of course creation of NEW jobs and levies on offshores production to bring jobs back home.
We are just paying the property class to do what they do best – cheat and steal from workers.
Per WSJ on Friday afternoon Treasury to Allow Banks to Announce Equity Injections
Capital One, SunTrust Expected to Receive Government Funds
The WSJ title is misleading as this sentence confrims,
I think all the FDIC needs to do is to target one reluctant bank for takeover, It’ll scare the hell out of the rest.
One of the things that got us into this mess was that we had a few very large, very powerful players who could distort financial markets pretty much on a whim. When the shit hit, the argument was made that many of them were too big to fail. Paulson for his own reasons had it in for Lehman Brothers and his decision to let it fail sent markets into the abyss. So now Paulson is encouraging a bunch of bailouts so that some of these companies can become even bigger and so even more too big to fail. What we should be doing is trust busting these guys not building them up.
Websters:
oligarchy 1. a form of government in which the power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique, government by the few. 2. a state or organization so run. 3. the persons or class so ruling.
These guys always knew exactly what they were doing and what the consequences would be. As a result the dominant class will continue to become richer, and richer, and richer.
Q: is this a feature, a bug or something else?
Watch them burn the sacrificial lamb, Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers…
These bailouts have done NOTHING to help the ailing economy which has been on the skids for YEARS but the slackers who game the numbers can’t even bring themselves to call it a recession.
How many companies have gone under? How many jobs have been slashed?
What a bunch of dishonest pricks.
bullseye.
It is a transfer of wealth.
That’s a good catch. I knew the Fed had come up with another big facility for money markets with the same lack of transparency. Again one of the big reasons this shit happened was because there was a lack of transparency. Paulson and Bernanke swore till they were blue in the face in Congressional hearings that the system had to be transparent but again and again we are seeing they are doing exactly the opposite. This is how crony capitalism works: in the dark.
Let’s see if the people stay mum after the election… or if they begin to demand some change. How about a huge march in DC after the inauguration to press demands?
And why can’t they annouce which slacker cheating banks are getting the dole?
Maybe we can rename the New World Order to the New World Oligarchy? Makes sense to me. The Bush Crime Family & Friends, Inc. will be running it.
They did the exact same thing during the S&L crisis in the late 80’s early 90’s, they sold the assest of failed Savings and Loans (at pennies on the dollar) to Corporate and Investment buyers who, in a few years, made billions in profits.
Actually, it’s more like Oligo-Corporato-Kelptocracy.
While leaving taxpayers at a loss of billions of dollars. Nice work if you can get it.
I stand improved upon…..
Because George Bush wanted the last 8 years to look like the most prosperous, even though it was held up on toothpicks and he had used his underlings to forge reports to make it look even better than it was, he’s now decided to VETO EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS if the mean Democrats decide to bring this bill to the floor to be voted on after the November election. Yep. If it passes, he’s gonna veto it because he knows massive job layoffs are coming and this will hurt the Boy King’s fragile ego, since they’re gonna need unemployment while trying to find a job in his mess of an economy!
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..-stimulus/
Much appreciated.
OT,
Emphasis mine.
Quote from this WaPo piece:
Banks Weighing Other Uses for Bailout Money
Sadly, you are right….
The first step in solving a ‘problem’ is defining it.
A bit of a mouthful, but could you work ‘Congressional’ into that, somehow, BC?
This is a freakin’ heist
we are so getting screwed
Oligo-Corporato-Kleptocracy.
Although Kelp-tocracy has a jeu ne sais quois, too.
and we are not even enjoying it!
LOL.
Congress comes into the Oligo part…
And with respect to we’re getting screwed (I’d use an earthier word, myself…) there’s neither kiss nor reach around.
bernie sanders has already been carrying the flag on this one. he proposed an amendment to the bail out bill:
the amendment was permitted to a voice vote on the senate floor. i heard one voice only vote “yea” – and that was sanders himself.
also sanders made an excellent statement from the senate floor. recommend giving it a listen if you can stream from cspan’s video archive.
Not that it made me feel any better, but i sent nasty emails to my congressman and senators about this. I took a little bit of malicious pleasure with the congressman because he’d sent me a smarmy email after he voted for the bailout, saying how I did not understand and that they ‘had to do something’.
A diurnal rip-off ‘right’ under out knowses …
Fifth: Paulson must go.
‘our’ knowses … jeez …
dhammit
I wish Bernie Sanders was my senator.
His interests are co conflicted, recursal is the only appropriate response
January 21 Paulson is soooo gone. I don’t see any chance that Obama would keep good ol’ Hank on as SecTreas. Dumping Bernanke is a tougher proposition.
Paulson has already said that he would not stay no matter who is elected prez.
He should be one of many others who have to cough up some of the money they stole (they would say earned) while creating this mess. In 2008, the top five investment banks paid out $37 billion in bonuses for 2007. Paulson may not have worked at Goldman Sachs in 2007 or 2008, but he did indeed help create the monster.
Of course not, he’s going to take his $500 or $600 billion (estimates vary) and go hide.
Thankfully, he (and Bush for that matter) are effectively gone Nov. 5th.
Oh look! That’s less than 2 weeks from now.
I meant million, not billion. doh
i know nothing about the s&l crisis – do you have any reading recommendations on how i might begin to correct that?
They can still loot the place until January 20,2009.
You know I’m not sure about where you can read about it exactly. I only know because I worked at an S&L from 1988 to 1989 that got taken over, then I worked for a very, large Insurance Company that bought several billions in assets and made many billions more on them in a few years time. I’ll see what I can find for reading recs though.
Lame ducks can do a lot of damage…
Gives new meaning to the phrase Bank Heist.
This might be a start.
Very nice.
Hey, Ian,
Did you see James K. Galbraith on Bill Moyers’ Journal last night flogging his new book, The Predator State? What did you think of his analysis of the economic crisis?
Bob in HI
I know that’s technically true, but whatever Bush tries to do in the interim will be met with “Yeah, but what does Obama say about that?”
Besides, I’ll bet you dollars to donuts Bush is so ready to leave, he’s running around with boxes and packing tape as we speak.
Wiki on S & L scandal
ola pups
thanks!
(bows) Konnichiwa, Wobbs
Ola Wobbs.
Ola wobbs. I just got a call from a nice young woman calling for Obama, and I thought of you giving of your time. Hugs!
ot: just saw my first gay match.com commercial. very cool.
Sure they can, but with even less power in Congress after the elections, I don’t think he will.
(((SD)))
(((Margot)))
Good to see you, Sophie
SouthernDragon at 72 and Ron at 76 are good places to start.
I did a few hours of phone banking this morning. But the rest of the day was spent doing laundry (bummer)
i’m looking forward to listening to the podcast of moyers’ show last night. a few weeks ago i listened to a talk galbraith gave at the new america foundation that i enjoyed (especially some of the commentary)
Be nice to clone him and all of us could have him.
obama helped get the
rip offbail out passed. :(Doing laundry is a great excuse for me to read. Put in washer, read, hang on line, repeat. After the last load I can always find an excuse to put off whatever else needs to be done. I’d be the world’s greatest procrastinator if I didn’t keep puttin’ it off.
Socialist senators for every state. Sounds good to me.;)
There are two books over at Amazon that I have heard are pretty good – Big Money Crime: Fraud and Politics in the Savings and Loan Crisis by Kitty Calavita, Henry N. Pontell, and Robert Tillman. Also, Saving Face: An Alternative and Personal Account of the Savings and Loan Crisis by William E. King. Hope this helps.
thanks to all three of you.
He is devoted to a Kurdish state which limits the value of his views, imo
Yes, I say, socialism for the people. Why should it just be for the elites?
I guess I’m not gonna be sanguine about ANY of this until I see ‘em slink out of town knowing that the entire world loathes and detests them so totally that their dreams of the cushy life in some foreign clime turn to dust in their mouths, that they stagger on weak knees and have thoughts of Eichman running ’round their wee brains.
I wish them no ill, simply the justice they so righteously deserve.
Dancin’ in the streets on Nov. 5, but true celebration when, for certain, they are truly GONE and can no longer harm the nation or the world.
We’ll be ferreting out their ‘moles’ for years and rebuilding may well take decades.
Can’t wait.
We’re going to be very busy for the rest of our lives, making certain our ‘leaders’ know where we want them to ‘lead’ us.
‘Cuz. afterall, ‘they’.work.for.us. And we must not let them forget that reality, for even a second …
Amen.
I know it’s put me in the distinct minority here, but I thought it should’ve been passed.
I do agree with the points Ian’s made above about the use of the money, however.
OT:
We just had a church group knock on our door offering “Yes on 8″ yard signs. Mr. tbsa told them that we do not discriminate homophobic assholes. He then went on to tell them how whatever church they are affiliated with should lose their tax exempt status for participating in politics.
I completely agree.
Yea Mr. tbsa!
Agree with every word you typed.
this I can relate to.
I get a certain satisfaction
putting off my procrastination.
thanks again. i put them on my reading list (although i’m beginning to despair of ever catching up)
sorry, i keep forgetting…. will probably need a couple hundred more reminders. thanks.
radical hippie, you!
I’m with you there. I just bought ten books from Amazon a couple of weeks ago so I’m set for awhile.
Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.
The worst of all possible worlds.
Or, as George and Ira Gershwin told us in the depths of the depression:
Nice work if you can get it,
And if you can get it,
Tell me how!
and to think those bastards are calling Obama a Socialist. Hipocrates!
No problem. I’m a big boy, I can take the beating that comes with admitting that around here.
I meant hypocrite.
I was really impressed with Galbraith. Chip off the ol’ block, in intelligence at least.
Bob in HI
your a line dryer too? *g* It is so warm here today that the clothes, sheets, etc have dried in just a few hours.
James K. Galbraith???
That’s outside of his expertise. What about his economics?
Bob in HI
Don’t apologize; remember this:
“By the way, I can’t help but feel a wry bit of amusement at the fact that our beloved Treasury Secretary promised us financial armageddon if we didn’t pass his wretched bill a few weeks ago. I wonder how he would describe this?”
From Naked.
What is alos interesting -to me at least- is that TobyQollin posted the NYTimes link on his diary that Ian uses 5 hours before Ian’s posting; does anyone ever read those things besides those who write them and participate in them?
Yep. I only wear cotton and dryers cut the life of the clothes by a bunch. Too much heat. Now that the days are getting shorter I gotta jump on it early. No more lazin’ around ’til 11 or noon and knowin’ that’s enough time for them to dry.
*whisperin’* ya might wanna check out oxdown.
Socialism is something the religious right is testing as a new buzzword.
When I was a kid, the buzzword that united the Libertarian and Christianist wings of the Repiglican [sic] Party was communist. The Libertarians and Christianists are not natural allies — Libertarians want government to butt out of private lives (and public lives too for that matter). Christianists want some version of the biblical moral code enacted into law as immutably as possible, and enforced.
They need something to unite them: communism was just the ticket. Libertarians hate communists because they think communists believe in government intervention. Christianists hate communists because they are godless atheistic heathens. So, with communists as the common scapegoat, they could get along.
But there aren’t any communists left. Not even in Cuba and China. There are plenty of authoritarians (and the Christianists aren’t least among them), but anti-authoritarian isn’t a winning ticket for the Repiglicans. So now they’re test-marketing socialist as the scape-goats/fear-objects. It seems to be working among the Christianists, but not with the Libertarians. It’s so ridiculous on its face, especially in light of Bush’s bailout/buyup of bank stocks that it can’t pass the giggle test with anyone who has the least clue about what socialism really is.
That it passes the giggle test with McShame and Sarah Plain [sic] should be no surprise. Neither of them could draw and explain a Keynesian cross. In fact, that all alone should be enough to cause anyone with half a brain to vote for Obama.
Perhaps are you confusing an ancient Greek physician (Hippocrates) with someone who preaches a certain belief, religion or way of life, without, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself (a hypocrite)?
Yeah, sorry for the pedantic thingy.
Bob in HI
Oops, sorry, I should have read further before I wrote.
Bob in HI
it was an oops moment, I corrected myself at 112.
it’s all good.
depends which world you inhabit.
I love the line dried sheets, nothing is sweeter then settlin’ in for a good night sleep on fresh aired sheets.
Reminds me of the oops routine Bill Cosby did eons ago. What does a surgeon mean when he says oops?
See my 109. If I can join the Oligo-Corporato-Kleptocrats I’d think it’s just fine.
Except that I have this conscience that would keep bugging me.
just google Galbraith and Kurds.
I don’t know, what does a surgeion mean when he says oops?
Nothing good, that’s for sure.
Words you don’t want to hear when you’re having your wisdom teeth taken out by the oral surgeon. “Ooops. Oh shit.”
maybe ian did and just forgot to link it?
a conscience can be such a troubling thing. As Pooh would say, “Oh bother!”
THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE
oops, that wasn’t much of a whisper, was it?
different galbraith – perhaps you mean his brother, peter?
How do you propose to do this?
Kirk is upstairs
kirk has eat shit and die a few flights upstairs
ach der lieber!
Sorta along the lines of BCT at 129. It’s a short routine but funny. Not a one liner.
Gotcha. Thanks.
BTW, read your diary from earlier, very nice. Keep on, keepin on. You are an inspiration. A journey of a thousand miles begins with just one step – Confucius.
Great post Ian.
We must let the insolvent ones fail and the solvent ones should get the infusions.
The biggest reason I was against the bailout is because it never addressed the problem: insolvency. Bottom line is there is still no way to know who is solvent, and thus who to lend to.
Until the information is made public as to which institutions will survive and which will die, we will be at a stand still with lending.
Thanks.
It depends upon the intent of these bankers who refuse to loan. 60_Minutes talked to the CEO of Bank of America and he insisted they were loaning. This means it might not be a unified plan or conspiracy of all the big banks and that each is acting in the interests of their own bank. But, if many or just a significant number are working together, then it’s enough to think we have something akin to a serious revolt of the Rich & Powerful. Odd really, after all the rhetoric over the decades about the Marxist revolution and all, that it would be the Rich who (presumably) are worried about Democracy taking hold here or that some government policy they desire won’t be continued into the next administration. I won’t speculate on that, though I have ideas, but in any event that case would be very serious.
We can’t expect Paulson to really respond and that means a worsening situation for some time to come.
When (if our Dem desires come true) the Obama administration takes office they need a plan. Obviously getting rid of the toxic mortgages, as the bailout originally intended, should happen, though it’s such a mess it’s hard to know how long it would take to really fix things. Even then a concerted bankers revolt wouldn’t have to loan. It would take more force from government to make things happen. It becomes very messy at that point.
Alice Rivlin would probably be a decent replacement.
Once again it looks like the American Sheeple get “hoodwinked”. Wow, who would have imagined. One day the sheeple are going to just have to stand up and say enough is enough.
Jiff