In his debate yesterday with Larry Kissell, Robin Hayes now has a new explanation for why he said "liberals hate real Americans." First he didn’t say it, then the audio clip surfaced, and now — it was all because of liberal bloggers! (see video clip above).
I’m personally quite thrilled that we’ve become such great all-purpose bogeyman. I feel like I need a foot rub and a cigarette.
Peter Daou has a thoughtful piece looking back on the growth of the netroots at the Huffington Post, entitled "On November Fourth, the Netroots Should Be More Than an Afterthought":
We should acknowledge that the netroots kept hope alive when our system of checks and balances was in mortal danger, kept hope alive when civil liberties were fast becoming disposable niceties. We should realize that back when Billmon and Bob Somerby and a gentle soul with a sharp pen named Steve Gilliard were required reading, when Digby was a mystery man and Firedoglake was a new blog with an intriguing name, when citizens across the country began logging on and conversing from the heart, there was no glory in political blogging. There still isn’t. No one knew if blogs would become quaint artifacts. Many hoped they would. Blogging was about speaking up for America’s guiding principles, liberty, justice, equality, opportunity, democracy.
If there’s one thing I learned, it’s that you never get credit for being right too early. Just ask Howard Dean. But it’s been fun to be a part of all this nonetheless.
Meanwhile, House GOP officials have leaked a "death list" of most vulnerable seats, and it includes Hayes. It may be a smoke screen, however, since the NRCC is pouring money into Hayes’ district and Larry Kissell doesn’t have enough money to run television ads.
If you feel like pounding another nail into Robin Hayes’ coffin like the ghoulish fiend you no doubt are, you can donate to Blue America candidate Larry Kissell here.



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“How dare those liberal bloggers tell everyone what I actually said! We conservatives will work for a return to the good old days where you could pander in whatever extreme terms you wanted, and no one else would ever hear about it!”
Larry Kissell is the real deal. The district has been impoverished by Hayes and the Republicans sending all the jobs overseas. A few dollars in this media market will go a long way – give generously please!
[Love Kissell - does it show?]
It isn’t America we liberal bloggers hate. It’s personal. It’s just You, Representative Hayes.
We all decided we had seen the movie before and weren’t going to fall for it. I’m talking about the one with scenes like Krystalnacht, Brown Shirts, and Dachau. Eight and a half years serving in Berlin, Germany, and I’m not planning on standing still for this movie even if our media and politicians seem to be.
The enemies of America are those who hiber hate and separtism in their hearts and who pit one group against another when we all come from the one same Source which shines on us all, good and bad, and when the blood in each of us is red, the symbol of the inner man and our oneness. These dividers who pit class against class, race against race, straight against gays are the real enimies of America — the enemies within. From these Enemies, we must be on Guard if we are to achieve as a people; If we are to survive as a nation, one nation, indivisible under God!
“The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment – this was the time – when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.”
Obama’s Nomination Victory Speech In St. Paul June 3, 2008.
“Obama is a LightWorker – an Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being”
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.c…..-with.html
The devil made me do it and the devil is a librul.
708!
me too,on a visit there
Yes, liberal bloggers are the collective anti-Jeebus. LOL!
Peter forgot one of the best, MediaWhoresOnline, sure do miss those guy(s)…
The thing I hate the most is the republics lack of intellectual curiosity. They really want to dumb down the country. They’ve succeeded wildly beyond what I ever thought was possible.
Tis the season to be ghoulish.
ghoul n. 1. An evil spirit or demon in Moslem folklore supposed to plunder graves and feed on corpses. 2. A grave robber. 3. One who delights in the revolting or loathsome.
I remember my paternal grandfather, a retired Latin and math teacher, 40 yrs ago looking up the word and all of us being rather startled by its actual meaning.
news flash from waxman’s hearing (on cspan):
greenspan says he was “partially” wrong. that CDSs have serious problems associated with them.
greenspan – i don’t fully understand why it happened. [speaking of the current financial crisis -s]
Just a teeny bit. You’ve been one of his biggest supporters, egregious.
Here’s the fundamental problem with these hearings. As almost everyone shares the blame, all of the testifiers point the finger at the other crook.
Of course, Glenzilla should be added to that most distinguished list. But this was my favorite paragraph:
“The 2008 election is a watershed and when my newborn daughter is old enough to understand, I’ll share my pride (as fathers do) in the small part I played in a presidential race where two brilliant and dedicated Democrats, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, smashed through impenetrable barriers and changed the world. I’ll tell my daughter about the despicable ways women are treated across the globe and how she should fight every day of her life for fairness and dignity. I’ll talk to her about the unspeakably ugly chapter in our history that so many brave men and women sacrificed their lives to bring to an end. Then I’ll tell her where, when and how I cast my vote for President Obama, about the moment a thoughtful, decent and courageous man took the oath of office, when he reclaimed the White House, changed America, and when George W. Bush receded into that place in our minds where bad nightmares reside.”
Everyone of us “netrooters” that have children, have family with children, and have friends with children, will be able to say those words.
And if McCain and Palin, by some perverse quirk of history, do win, then we can say we continued to fight to reclaim our country.
waxman: do you have any personal responsibility for our current situation?
greenspan: blah blah
no answer to the question yet.
yes. including waxman. but greenspan, i think, is in a special category.
Boy, evasiveness taken to a high wire act. But we expected nothing less.
i was going to pull some old greenspan quotes for today’s hearing. but waxman is doing it for me. great job by his staffer.
Good news from Bradblog…the voting machines are flipping from Pepublican to Democrat in Tennessee.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6547
Yes, which is why I pointed it out just now.
Nice to have Daou back from the
Clinton campaign. Used to like his writing before he made that fateful right turn last year.
masters of the art.
but i’m seeing some bits of cracks in greenspan today that i haven’t seen before.
Short Greenspan: The FRB is a very complicated place.
Ha! Meant…
Land of the LostClinton campaign…heheRepublican…
lol. your timing is impeccable.
The one Q to ask, which won’t be, is: Do you (Greenspan) still believe that it is NOT the FRB’s role to prevent bubbles, but only to deal with the consequences?
did greenspan just say he’d voted for every piece of regulation? did i miss something?
I clearly remember visiting the Hall of Justice (think I have the right name) and seeing where they did the show trials. I realized then that pretend justice is one of the most dangerous things in a democracy. That is probably why, along with torture, Gitmo, and Iraq, that I absolutely hate Bush. We have that with the US Attorney scandal. We are so close to the tipping point of going over to the dark side and Americans, like the German back then, don’t realize it.
I went downstairs for a book my husband and I read for a one-credit U of M class in Berlin: “The German Dictatorship: The Origins, Structure and Consequences of National Socialism” by Karl Dietrich Bracher. We both got copies and started to read them and continued to read them through most of a group trip to Harz Mountains. We could barely put the book down to do some cross-country skiing.
He said he voted for every piece of regulation that passed. Leaves the question how many pieces do you vote for that didn’t pass.
Perhaps he’s thinking about his “legacy” and hasn’t yet figured out how to resuscitate it: facts changed, and so have I?, or I just did my job?, or some other excuse?
Got to run to do bushhogging. But before I go, as bad as Paulson is, imagine that Snow had still be TreasSec when the financial system imploded?!!!!
More than 70,000,000 Americans are going to vote for Barack in less than 2 weeks. It is with great relief that the meaning of a Real American is going to change oh so very much for the better. And you gotta know that Barack will continue to try and win the McCainiacs over as he moves forward.
We are all in this together and we finally have a leader. This is a great country.
Yes, I heard the same thing. Don’t know whether it’s true or not, but there’s a way of working behind the scenes to make sure things don’t happen, and I’m sure Greenspan was heavily involved in that.
bom dia pups
liberal bloggers get stuff done
I’m not much of a fan of Orson Scott Card, but he DID predict the influence of the Netroots when he wrote Ender’s Game in 1985, wherein the influence of online bloggers led to the rise of the Hegemon. (Card also anticipated POD publishing, by making ‘Ender’s Game’ available “online” for download from Delphi in 1984.)
From Daily Kos:
November 9, 1999 – President’s Working Group on Financial Markets (Treasury, Fed, SEC, CFTC) submitted their OTC Derivatives Report to Congress. The report recommended:
the next year congress passed the “Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000″ – in effect preventing hte CFTC from regulating OTC derivatives as had been proposed (for discussion only) when Born was head of the CFTC, for example by requiring reporting transparency and some level of reserves.
Press Release from the CFTC:
McCain lambastes Bush years ‘We just let things get completely out of hand’
http://www.washingtontimes.com…..ush-years/
OMG…for $150,000 Sarah gets a donkey scarf with the word vote on it?
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs…..shion.aspx
Is this for real?
yes – and his prediction, iirc, was that it would be used not to inform but to manipulate.
Um, yeah. We. We let things get out of control. What an ass. Use the first person, McSame.
Way too little, way too late McSame. Save it for your concession speech.
I wish him good luck with that, because they’re going to be working 24/7 to oppose, obstruct, defame, demonize, hamstring, and undermine him. The Mighty Wurlitzer will be cranking non-stop…I’ll take a small wager that some R congressman will be submitting articles of impeachment within 90 days of Obama’s nomination.
It takes two to make peace…and the right wing of the Republican Party has no interest in getting along with Obama or any other “far-leftist”, far left being anyone to the left of Lieberman.
Good morning, all.
She’s a friggin moron.
Yes, I am Captain Obvious :)
Well, there are reasons I don’t consider myself a fan. Nonetheless, he anticipated the influence of the Internet when other SF writers were still expecting flying cars and household robots by 1999…
It’s a little late for him to bash Bush. McCain’s the one who voted with his party the majority of the time. By the way, it might be time to show that picture of McCain hugging Bush again.
New states polls: “Obama is clearly winning the Big Ten battleground”
http://www.americablog.com/200…..early.html
i’m a fan of ender’s game (although not it’s author). i think the jury is still out if we will use the toobz primarily to inform or to manipulate.
I concur. The Republicons and their allies in the coporate media will be all over any initiative an Obama administration proposes. They want him to fail and given the state of the nation created by the last 28 of 40 years of Republican presidents and a Republican majority in Congress from 1994 to 2006 they’ve pretty much trashed the country. It will be imperative to continue the fight until the Republicon Party and their failed conservative ideology is nothing but a bad memory in the minds of the electorate. That also means destroying the legitimacy of a corrupt and complicit corporate media.
You meant after Obama takes the oath of office right? Anyway, it’s at that point that the Dems need to go full swing into disciplinary hearings for the top of the prior administration. Bush, Cheney, Addington, Gonzales, Bolton, Rove, etc. Special Prosecutor investigating all the abuses of power. If they want to play that game, we certainly have far more ammunition, and their forces will be dramatically weakened.
Manipulate is really an ill chosen word that insinuates willful malice. But if he meant that bloggers would shape opinion, boy oh boy was he right.
Good Am to you RonD
OT, but E. Cummings just blistered SEC Chairman Cox’s behind on CSPAN re: oversight of credit default swaps, and deservedly so.
Thanks, Ann…”nomination” should be “inauguration”. You are, of course, correct. While I don’t always buy that thing about the best defense being a good offense, I think it applies here. The precedent here is ‘92…Clinton is inaugurated Jan ‘93, and the drumbeat of Whitewater and Rose Law started within days. Nobody took the time to even see what he would try to do…it was full-on politics of personal destruction, simply because he was a Democrat.
We can expect to see this modus operandi again.
The Clintons and the Bushes have lowered the bar so dramatically, that Obama will need the time to raise the bar but I expect that he will. To be blunt there are a lot of hopeless members of Congress and the media but as time goes on, give Obama a year to two years, things will start to get very exciting and that includes working with the likes of T. Boone Pickens on energy reform.
That book has been sitting on my nightstand for ages (to be fair there are a stack of books there) Just haven’t gotten to it yet but mr wobbs swears by it
Hi demi. Beautiful diary you wrote.
Kucinich is now filleting Greenspan with his own words.
gee Ms Hamsher…and what would you know about that ? seem to recall in summer 05 some idjit newcomer asking you why you were devoting so much time and column inches to Lieberman and not working on Republics . . Clare somebody, wonder whatever happened to her *g*
Not going to happen. They are going to try to destroy him starting about thirty seconds after he takes the oath.
Your such a pollyanna *g*
Hey Firepups!!
I spoke with one of Larry’s finance guys this morning and he says they have raised $70,000 in 36 hours since the Hayes “Liberals hate real America” flap began. Let’s keep the pressure on and toss Robin a bunch more anvils. Word is that Hayes is gettin real crabby and he can’t believe that this is happening to him.
Wake up Robin and actually listen to Real America for a change.
Go Larry
ender’s game (you might want to try the original novella) and neuromancer are my two favorite scifi books.
Then it our job to make sure they don’t. I think Obama will not be easy to destroy.
Hey Wobbly…yeah, that’s me…smiles, and flowers and always seeing the bright side. *g* Personal destruction is the only strategy available to them that doesn’t force them to acknowledge their own failures. And right quickly, before Obama has a chance to accomplish anything that might help the Dems in the midterms, let alone help the people.
The whole “no one could have predicted” argument that is being put out there is pure BS. A lot of us were saying a couple of years before the housing market went kerblooey that in fact it was going to happen. Same thing about derivatives. Some of us have been warning about them for a couple of decades. Despite repeated examples of the damage that they could and did do, these clowns say we just didn’t see it coming. Nobody could.
We have both (and both are in that aforementioned book stack) I’ll get to them one day but at the moment I’m reading some non-fiction books.
It’s imperative that a Democratic controlled Congress hold the Republicons accountable for their crimes and malfeasance. Expose them for the hypocrites and criminals they are. It’s time to legally destroy the Republicon Party. If not they will be back more dangerous than ever.
While I do think they are trying to lay the groundwork to discredit him befire he can even take office, their other strategies have gone so terribly wrong as of late, that it gives me a bit of hope that this won’t work as well.
Waxman making some of the points I just made in my last comment.
I love Neuromancer….but my favorite sci-fi is still Stranger in a Strange Land. I give that book as a present all the time.
i sadly gave up reading most fiction after 911 in order to have time to read more nonfiction. i’m really missing it though.
Republican: Since everyone was at fault, no one was at fault.
You sure get credit from me, Jane!! Can’t tell you how much FDL meant to me when I stumbled across it about 18 months ago. Hope in the wilderness, a light in the dark. Haven’t had much time to blog lately (partly because of helping with Tom Allen’s campaign), but I follow FDL every day. Keep it up!
i’m sure he didn’t mean to include those non-white people who should never have been permitted to be homeowners. they are responsible /s
It would be fun to ask him if he thinks that reasoning would have been valid had it ben applied to Nuremberg.
much of my reading nowadays is non-fiction but interesting nonetheless. They are historical naaratives which are a form of fiction given the portrayals of natvies and africans
then i’ll put it on my (now every long) to read list. thanks.
Indeed.
We can save a lot of time and govt cash on these hearings by using the following answers.
“Mistakes were made.”
“If we knew then what we know now…”
“No one could have foreseen…”
It’s rather like Greenspan’s comment that those who were responsible for all this have already been punished (by the markets). This too is pure BS. So some of these guys have lost millions. So what? They still have millions. Where’s the punishment?
wrt “everyone is at fault” – i just went quickly through the list of members on waxman’s committee and compared it to the roll call vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. this is the bill that prevented regulation of the cdss by the cftc. here’s what i came up with:
waxman – “not voting”
towns – yes
kanjorski – yes
maloney – yes
cummings – yes
kucinich – no
davis – yes
tierney – yes
clay – “not voting”
watson -
lynch -
higgins -
yarmuth -
braley -
holmes norton -
mccollum – yes (?)
cooper -
van hollen -
hodes -
murphy -
sarbanes -
welch -
speier –
davis – yes
burton – no
shays – yes
mchugh – yes
mica – “not voting”
souder – “not voting”
platts -
cannon – no
duncan – no
turner – yes
issa -
marchant -
westmoreland -
mchenery -
foxx -
bilbray – “not voting”
sali -
jordon -
OT the tide is turning. Prop 8 in Ca is now losing – 52% to 44%. Good news
Another idiot Republican: Fannie and Freddie blah, blah, Fannie and Freddie, blah, blah.
that’s not for us little people to consider. we must leave those matters to our betters. /s
Now Cox who wants an empirical approach. Again more BS. Cox was highly hands off and for deregulation. IOW he had no problem with being an ideologue. Now he acts like the lack of any policy that had any connection with reality had nothing to do with him.
i don’t know that much about cox. should read up.
Cox now tyng to argue that he had to drop regulation to regulate and that he was for regulation all along. BS. BS. BS.
Cox is another of these anti-regulatory types who was put in charge of a regulatory agency. eCahn could probably say more about what a docile agency the SEC has been historically. But with Cox this was taken to the max.
greenspan tying the use of securitization of mortgages to the drive to use subprime mortgages, true as far as it goes. but he goes further. that it wasn’t a problem until 2005. right, no bubble before then. nothing to see.
The entire rationale for a Republic in the first place, in one tidy little sentence. I can’t help but wonder if some of that frustration we feel is the inherent conflict between a republic versus democracy.
docile, imo, describes levitt’s relationship to greenspan and rubin.
maybe. but i’m going to argue that we can’t tell now because our representatives don’t represent us – it’s a government where dollars vote, not people.
Greenspan again saying no one could have predicted problems with subprimes. Again BS. Subprimes didn’t pass the simple 2 + 2 = 4 test. Greenspan saying that we (meaning him and his buddies) were so smart and they didn’t see it so no one could. They weren’t omniscient blah, blah. The people who did see, well there were a lot of people, saying a lot of things. He couldn’t look into or take seriously them all blah, blah.
greenspan is talking about subprimes as though the problem is that people who can’t pay the mortgage shouldn’t have been given mortgages. but that doesn’t get to the crux of the problem – which is that a bubble is bursting. it’s not just that some people maybe shouldn’t have bought houses (or second houses – i really don’t know much about this). it’s that the market was crazy – interest rates, for example, had something to do with inflating that bubble. but greenspan doesn’t mention that.
Shorter version:
Greenspan: No one could have predicted despite all those who did predict it.
Cox: We . . . were . . . regulating . . . as . . . fast . . . as . . . we . . .could.
who is the congresswoman speaking now?
excellent!!! quoting from the 1994 gao report!
None of these guys are going to talk about anything that they were responsible for or admit that it had anything to do with the collapse.
707!
She is doing a good job.
Greenspan: I don’t think the 1994 GAO report was right.
Congresswoman (Hodes?): It said that derivatives could bring down the financial system and they did.
I particularly like the part where he says even though they predicted exactly what would happen, and it happened, they were wrong!
Ian has a new post up: “Why Wouldn’t Russia Let the US Stay Tied Down In Iraq?”
it’s official. greenspan is a hack.
(and yes, i know his hackitudeness has been clear for awhile, but this ought to put any remaining doubt to rest).
thanks.
let’s continue commentary on the hearing there. i don’t think ian will object.
It was Eleanor Holmes Norton! She’s very good!!!
thanks!
and so is the staff person who briefed her.
Don’t know why “liberals” do not respond in kind. McCain says Obama wants to redistribute wealth. Redistributing wealth gets done all the time, by government or the so called free market. Why not point out repubs are the party of borrow and spend? The dems may be the party of tax and spend, but taxing and spending is far superior to borrowing and the dems don’t tax nearly as much as the repubs borrow. We need government if only to provide for the national defense which seems to concern so many people. When a guy like Henry Kravis buys a corporation, sells the pieces, merges the rest with another corporation to achieve economies of scale, workers lose their wealth while Henry increases his. If Henry had his way, he go on until he was the only one in the world with a buck.
Liberals permit “liberal” to become a dirty word, something a lot of Americans who dream of hitting it big see as taking away their future, imaginary profits. We need government if only to protect ourselves from the greedy bastards who’d grab every dollar in the world if they could.
In addition to making Republicans in government a rarity this November 4th, could we also make the term “GOP” a rarity in our spoken and written word? I realize that it’s easier to type 3 letters than it is to type 10 or 11, but I find nothing Grand about them, and I don’t think we should feel obligated to continue paying them this kind of compliment.