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		<title>By: barryr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1690525</link>
		<dc:creator>barryr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian, are you familiar with Henry Mintzberg and his critique of MBAs?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Mintzberg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Mintzberg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Managers-Not-MBAs-Management-Development/dp/B001E96H0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1224438610&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Managers.....038;sr=8-1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, are you familiar with Henry Mintzberg and his critique of MBAs?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Mintzberg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Mintzberg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Managers-Not-MBAs-Management-Development/dp/B001E96H0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1224438610&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Managers&#8230;..038;sr=8-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1690197</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian, between this post and “the Invisible Hand …” where do you find the time? Both are absolutely brilliant, and the commentaries are starting to reflect an understanding of economics as well. You do good work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, between this post and “the Invisible Hand …” where do you find the time? Both are absolutely brilliant, and the commentaries are starting to reflect an understanding of economics as well. You do good work.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689983</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You Rock Ian!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Rock Ian!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689976</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The King can be incompetent and still stay king.  They’ve got a lot of power, yes, and they’ve made themselves rich, yes, but they’ve made a lot of screwups along the way.  “Never count a man lucky before he’s dead.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The King can be incompetent and still stay king.  They’ve got a lot of power, yes, and they’ve made themselves rich, yes, but they’ve made a lot of screwups along the way.  “Never count a man lucky before he’s dead.”</p>
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		<title>By: Tash</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689967</link>
		<dc:creator>Tash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just a quote from C. Wright Mills THE POWER ELITE (1956), in a chapter called “The Chief Executives”:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When it is asked of the top corporate men: “But didn’t they have to have SOMETHING to get up there?” The answer is, “Yes, they did.” By definition, they had “what it takes.” The real question, accordingly is: what does it take? And the only answer one can find anywhere is: the sound judgment, as gauged by the men of sound judgment who select them. The fit survive, and fitness means, not formal competence–there probably is no such thing for top executive positions–but conformity with the criteria of those who have already succeeded. To be compatible with the top men is to act like them, to look like them, to think like them….This is what is meant–and nothing else–by being a “sound man,” as sound as a dollar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quote from C. Wright Mills THE POWER ELITE (1956), in a chapter called “The Chief Executives”:</p>
<p>When it is asked of the top corporate men: “But didn’t they have to have SOMETHING to get up there?” The answer is, “Yes, they did.” By definition, they had “what it takes.” The real question, accordingly is: what does it take? And the only answer one can find anywhere is: the sound judgment, as gauged by the men of sound judgment who select them. The fit survive, and fitness means, not formal competence–there probably is no such thing for top executive positions–but conformity with the criteria of those who have already succeeded. To be compatible with the top men is to act like them, to look like them, to think like them….This is what is meant–and nothing else–by being a “sound man,” as sound as a dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689948</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think aristocracy is a better term than elite for what Ian is describing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think aristocracy is a better term than elite for what Ian is describing.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWhy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689946</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWhy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yale - Dubya, Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Harvard - Obama&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yale &#8211; Dubya, Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton<br />
Harvard &#8211; Obama</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689890</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have enjoyed your entries here at FDL Ian. This one rates a 10/10.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Historical precedent points to cultural,social and economic equity rot and ruin going hand and hand with the ignorance of imperial arrogance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;American imperialism appears to be subject to the rule. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;American “exceptionalism” was not ever a valid or sustainable premise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Ian points out above the “talent” who have been running things have rewarded themselves what they did not earn or deserve. The “elite” in American society and at top of American economic strata have awarded themselves in far too many ways that had nothing to do with real world rules of failure,being wrong or just plain being stupid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doing imperialism requires more intelligence and competence than what the Americans have been putting into this American Empire for a long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clearly for far too long a time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FDL does well in offering many good people who bring and offer much insight and better ways to think and see. Thank you FDL. Thank you Ian.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have enjoyed your entries here at FDL Ian. This one rates a 10/10.</p>
<p>Historical precedent points to cultural,social and economic equity rot and ruin going hand and hand with the ignorance of imperial arrogance.</p>
<p>American imperialism appears to be subject to the rule. </p>
<p>American “exceptionalism” was not ever a valid or sustainable premise.</p>
<p>As Ian points out above the “talent” who have been running things have rewarded themselves what they did not earn or deserve. The “elite” in American society and at top of American economic strata have awarded themselves in far too many ways that had nothing to do with real world rules of failure,being wrong or just plain being stupid.</p>
<p>Doing imperialism requires more intelligence and competence than what the Americans have been putting into this American Empire for a long time.</p>
<p>Clearly for far too long a time.</p>
<p>FDL does well in offering many good people who bring and offer much insight and better ways to think and see. Thank you FDL. Thank you Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689861</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There’s an old schema for wealth that runs as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First generation earns it&lt;br /&gt;
Second generation manages it&lt;br /&gt;
Third generation squanders it&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t that the plot of Pearl Buck’s The Good Earth?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There’s an old schema for wealth that runs as follows:</p>
<p>First generation earns it<br />
Second generation manages it<br />
Third generation squanders it</p>
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<p>Isn’t that the plot of Pearl Buck’s The Good Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: tatere</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/18/the-dumbification-of-elites/#comment-1689860</link>
		<dc:creator>tatere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This reminds me of a talk I saw by Jared Bernstein, about how societies come to completely collapse - this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mindfully.org/Sustainability/2005/End-World-Diamond1jan05.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;op-ed excerpt hits the same basic idea:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;History also teaches us two deeper lessons about what separates successful societies from those heading toward failure. A society contains a built-in blueprint for failure if the elite insulates itself from the consequences of its actions. That’s why Maya kings, Norse Greenlanders and Easter Island chiefs made choices that eventually undermined their societies. They themselves did not begin to feel deprived until they had irreversibly destroyed their landscape.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a talk I saw by Jared Bernstein, about how societies come to completely collapse &#8211; this <a href="http://www.mindfully.org/Sustainability/2005/End-World-Diamond1jan05.htm" rel="nofollow">op-ed excerpt hits the same basic idea:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>History also teaches us two deeper lessons about what separates successful societies from those heading toward failure. A society contains a built-in blueprint for failure if the elite insulates itself from the consequences of its actions. That’s why Maya kings, Norse Greenlanders and Easter Island chiefs made choices that eventually undermined their societies. They themselves did not begin to feel deprived until they had irreversibly destroyed their landscape.</p>
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