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	<title>Comments on: Meet Joe the REAL Plumber</title>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688401</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Joe” the “Plumber” isn’t a Joe, or union plumber, or even a licensed one.  He is an active member of an employers’ group that opposes craft and trade unions because they fight for good jobs and a living wage.  Neither is “Joe” a wealthy small business owner who would pay more tax under Obama’s plan.  There are very few of them.  That success makes those added taxes affordable, especially when you consider that it was built not just with the owner’s sweat and hard work, but on the backs of his or her employees, who desperately need what those tax dollars can pay for.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a spokesman for plumbers, wealthy small business people or anyone without a family tie to one of John McCain’s richest and most generous backers, “Joe” is a fraud, like his presidential candidate and his running mate.  How inadvertently honest of McCain’s campaign to pick a spokesman just like them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Based on “Joe’s” real income and his prospects for income based on past performance (absent sizable family gifts) he would gain more under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain.  So why is he advocating for those who oppose his economic interests?  Because he needs the cash?  Because he mimics the attitudes of family wealth, even if once or twice removed?  Or is it because of his persistent fantasy that he’ll win the lottery today, or, like Willy Loman from Death of a Salesman, that he will be wildly successful tomorrow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The calm, competent, professional often seems called upon to remind the amateur, the panicked, the desperate and the greedy that hope is not a plan.  Nor is it a rational tax or economic recovery plan for an America bleeding from every industry in every city and farm, from every pot-filled road and dangling bridge, and from every uninspected cargo container of fruit, toothpaste and children’s toys.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Joe the Plumber” is as artless, as fraudulent a representative of working Americans as would be John McCain or Sarah Palin.  We need a professional, not an angry man who prefers to butt with head rather than think with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Joe” the “Plumber” isn’t a Joe, or union plumber, or even a licensed one.  He is an active member of an employers’ group that opposes craft and trade unions because they fight for good jobs and a living wage.  Neither is “Joe” a wealthy small business owner who would pay more tax under Obama’s plan.  There are very few of them.  That success makes those added taxes affordable, especially when you consider that it was built not just with the owner’s sweat and hard work, but on the backs of his or her employees, who desperately need what those tax dollars can pay for.  </p>
<p>As a spokesman for plumbers, wealthy small business people or anyone without a family tie to one of John McCain’s richest and most generous backers, “Joe” is a fraud, like his presidential candidate and his running mate.  How inadvertently honest of McCain’s campaign to pick a spokesman just like them.</p>
<p>Based on “Joe’s” real income and his prospects for income based on past performance (absent sizable family gifts) he would gain more under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain.  So why is he advocating for those who oppose his economic interests?  Because he needs the cash?  Because he mimics the attitudes of family wealth, even if once or twice removed?  Or is it because of his persistent fantasy that he’ll win the lottery today, or, like Willy Loman from Death of a Salesman, that he will be wildly successful tomorrow.</p>
<p>The calm, competent, professional often seems called upon to remind the amateur, the panicked, the desperate and the greedy that hope is not a plan.  Nor is it a rational tax or economic recovery plan for an America bleeding from every industry in every city and farm, from every pot-filled road and dangling bridge, and from every uninspected cargo container of fruit, toothpaste and children’s toys.  </p>
<p>“Joe the Plumber” is as artless, as fraudulent a representative of working Americans as would be John McCain or Sarah Palin.  We need a professional, not an angry man who prefers to butt with head rather than think with it.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688256</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;swopa is upstairs!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/john-mccains-meltdown-has-been-40-years-in-the-making/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John McCain’s Meltdown Has Been 40 Years in the Making&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>swopa is upstairs!<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/john-mccains-meltdown-has-been-40-years-in-the-making/" rel="nofollow">John McCain’s Meltdown Has Been 40 Years in the Making</a></p>
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		<title>By: yellowsnapdragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688255</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowsnapdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Freeze it is!  Didn’t know I could do that–brilliant.  Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeze it is!  Didn’t know I could do that–brilliant.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: wobblybits</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688254</link>
		<dc:creator>wobblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Egg white omlettes, homemade marshmallows, you can freeze them in ice cube trays until you have enough to make an angel food cake&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egg white omlettes, homemade marshmallows, you can freeze them in ice cube trays until you have enough to make an angel food cake</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688251</link>
		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really!  American voters are hurting and he keeps talking about himself.  Jeeeez!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really!  American voters are hurting and he keeps talking about himself.  Jeeeez!</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688250</link>
		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m speechless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m speechless.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688249</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forgot the linky  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/mccain-accuses-obama-of-s_n_135630.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....35630.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot the linky  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/mccain-accuses-obama-of-s_n_135630.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&#8230;..35630.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688248</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McShame is blaming Obama for “smearing” him. How low can this schmuck go?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McShame is blaming Obama for “smearing” him. How low can this schmuck go?</p>
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		<title>By: yellowsnapdragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688247</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowsnapdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Totally and completely off topic (Sorry Tula).  Do you know what to do to use up egg whites other than meringues?  I don’t have enough to make angel food cake.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally and completely off topic (Sorry Tula).  Do you know what to do to use up egg whites other than meringues?  I don’t have enough to make angel food cake.</p>
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		<title>By: marshen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/meet-joe-the-real-plumber/#comment-1688245</link>
		<dc:creator>marshen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re right dosido, and since the identity  Joe the Plumber was not understood before the debate, everyone wants to know who he is/is not, so he becomes the issue of what is in the MSM after the debate. Nothing about the issues or the difference in policy matters lingers after the debate in any of the discussions on TV. McCain was successful in the grand distraction of using Joe the Plumber to distract from talking about the real issues, the ones he has supported George Bush on for the past eight years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re right dosido, and since the identity  Joe the Plumber was not understood before the debate, everyone wants to know who he is/is not, so he becomes the issue of what is in the MSM after the debate. Nothing about the issues or the difference in policy matters lingers after the debate in any of the discussions on TV. McCain was successful in the grand distraction of using Joe the Plumber to distract from talking about the real issues, the ones he has supported George Bush on for the past eight years.</p>
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