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Sen. John McCain, meet Joe the plumber. Unlike Samuel Wurzelbacher, Joe’s given name is…Joe.
And, unlike Wurzelbacher, he’s a licensed plumber.
Joe Moenck, a plumber in Zumbrota, Minn., is a member of Plumbers and Pipe Fitters (UA) Local 6—which, like all building and construction trades unions, has high professional standards for its members—such as making sure they hold a license to practice their craft.
Moenck was dismayed to see McCain repeatedly trot out "Joe the Plumber" during this week’s presidential debate with Sen. Barack Obama. Says Moenck:
I felt that when John McCain was talking about Joe the Plumber, I didn’t feel that that was sincere. He didn’t mention the middle class in the last two debates at all. It upset me that he brought this up strictly because he had to, because his ratings are low among the middle class. I don’t think he believes what he said, but he knows his support is low there and said that strictly for the ratings, as a campaign strategy.
When "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher met Obama in Toledo on Sunday, Wurzelbacher expressed concern about being taxed on earnings of $280,000 per year should he ever start a small plumbing business.
But, as Moenck can tell you, hard workers like him in the building trades aren’t paid anywhere near $250,000 a year. For Moenck—and even for Wurzelbacher, who right now makes far less than his dream salary—Obama’s tax plan would mean a decrease in taxes by more than $1,200 a year—more than under McCain’s tax plan. And should Wurzelbacher ever pull in $250,000, he’d only pay a few hundred dollar more in taxes under Obama’s plan. Not a deal-breaker for a guy thinking of starting a small business.
Wurzelbacher also has a bit of an agenda. He’s a member of the Associated Builders & Contractors, a nonunion trade group that has endorsed McCain.
So, in addition to Moenck, we’d like to introduce McCain to a few other real Joe the plumbers.
There’s Joe Gutzwiller, a licensed plumber in Indianapolis and member of UA Local 440. Gutzwiller shares a lot in common with Moenck, including seeing through McCain’s pretensions of support for America’s middle class.
I heard the one about health care, where McCain wants to tax our benefits, and I just think he’s looking out for bigger businesses and corporations leaving middle class people out of the whole picture.
I think Obama is actually trying to help out middle class people who are feeling the effect of our economy. From what I’ve seen in the debates, he’s trying to prevent future problems and give the middle class a tax break to help stimulate the economy.
And then there’s Joe Tatum in Virginia, who’s been a licensed plumber for 35 years after apprenticing with UA Local 10.
McCain thinks we make over $200,000. I don’t make anywhere close to that. If I did, I could retire now instead of waiting ’til I’m 62.
Over in Colorado, Joe Martinez, a plumber and member of UA Local 3, has this to say:
John McCain doesn’t understand working families and I don’t understand how any plumber can vote for John McCain. He’s just not in touch with the working man at all.
And there’s Joe Vicena, a member of UA Local 75 in Milwaukee, who sees McCain as continuing the same disastrous economic policies as George W. Bush.
Our jobs are being sent overseas, people are losing their pensions and their 401(k)s, and the stock market is tanking. We need change in a positive manner. McCain is not the person to do it. He is absolutely not the person. Me and my family can’t take four more minutes, much less four more years, of the missteps and mispolicies we’ve had the past eight.
Moenck, Gutzwiller, Tatum, Martinez and Vicena agree with their union that Obama is the best choice for America’s plumbers—and all middle-class workers—because, as under Bush, McCain’s economic policy would benefit the wealthiest and flush the rest of us down the tank. As Moenck puts it:
If the middle class doesn’t have money to call Joe the Plumber, Joe the Plumber’s not gonna be in business very long.




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Go Joe!
McCain claiming that his joe is under attack. He doesn’t get it.
thanks tula
I love this video!! This is the real Joe.
All of this joe the plumber talk is just trying the plumb the depths of the lowest campaign for another hail mary pass.
I find his talking point about protecting small businesses rather repulsive and…false.
Thanks Tula, for introducing to the real Joe the Plumber. I bet Wurzelbacher wishes he’d kept his trap shut.
Oh, Joes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tula, this is an incredible post, right on the money
man, if the obama campaign could get those plumbers with their quotes and string them together, that would be one powerful add
Sounds like you’ve got a virtual “Joe the Plumber” union local here, Tula!
“My name is Joe, I’m a plumber, and I *don’t* approve of Senator McCain’s message.”
Let’s go pups: Digg this one
On a more sobering note, ACORN offices are receiving death threats, vandalism, and phoned-in racist epithets, says McClatchy. [oh, and also on their homepage a bit on Joe the “plumber” and his Alaska ties]
Heckuva job, McCain.
Dugg, thanks for the link.
Thanks Tula, great job.
Sorry egregious, that was intended as a reply to you.
Instead of giving a grinning apology to Joe the Plant on Letterman, methinks John Scurri-louse McCain–the fair weather friend of ACORN–owes them an apology.
great link prairie sunshime, I hope obama gets mccain to make a statement, check this snippet out from the link;
Just a bunch of real Joes telling it like it is.
Great video. Good for the real Joe. I had to laugh at the thought that McCain thinks a quarter million is a working man’s wage.
Course, he’s the guy who thinks up to five mil makes you middle class.
Sorry to go OT But Biden on TV blew a gasket at Sara Palin’s comment that she liked to visit “Patriotic Parts of the Country” Never heard him that loud.
Joe Wurzelbacher joins long list of Whitehouse plumbers…G Gordon Liddy, Howard Hunt, ‘David R Young Plumber’. The good ol’ days.
which channel, FHM?
shuster just stuffed ayers down the throat of a bush/cheney operative!!! How can mccain choose annenberg for an ambassadorship after that person donated millions of dollars to a foundation of ayers???
wow!
Some guy in India is unblocking your drains and installing central heating? Wow, we don’t stand a chance.
unlike some plumbers, this joe seems to be concerned with his neighbors as well as himself….
He was on CNN
ohhhh!
me wants to see youtube of THAT!
Biden was speaking in NM I believe
oooooh, home of the lying Heather Wilson.
Sunday Biden will host a conference call for veterans
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/VFOBidenConfCall
I have to be at training to be a poll watcher
Since she will be out of a job she will probably be lurking around DC
Thanks, everyone. Just got back online. Internet died for a bit.
I was o/t above but the repub spokesliar was really sputtering about the annenberg assertion about ayers and falls back on “I wish you had asked me about this before having me on your show so I could look into it.”
I guess McCain’s people have trouble looking stuff up.
Here’s the post on Huffpo about the Ayers/Annenberg education effort in Chicago.
really? is she getting the boot?
howdy Tula – thanks for the real joes
o/t
Chicago Tribune endorses Obama – wow. they’ve never endorsed a Democrat before evah
Trib
I was not aware of this encounter between Joe the Plumber and Barack Obama prior to the debate, and I read the news more than the average person. When it was brought up by McCain it sort of blew past me as I am always suspicious of the motive of politicians using the predicaments of common folks to illustrate a point. When it was repeated over and over throughout the debate, Joe the Plumber became distracting and threw the whole debate off track for me. After a while, I just did’nt want to hear anymore about some invisible Joe the Plumber anymore. Joe the Plumber robbed me of hearing what I wanted to know from these two candidates in this important last debate. If this was going to be a debate centered around a plumber, he should have been seated at the table with the candidates so we the viewers would have a clue who they were talking about, or at least a background video just before the debate about Joe would have been helpful.
Ouch. that’s gotta hurt.
wtg obama.
And now McCain blames Obama, of course, for the media going crazy about it, when he was the one who dragged him into the limelight. Remind me never to talk to McCain, you never know what will happen!
la times endorsing obama
Just got back online. Internet died for a bit.
See what happens when Ted Stevens has to take time out from his day job of watching over the Toobz to testify at his own trial?
have you seen this yet ??? :D
she was already behind when this was released
buh-bye !
a lil tidbit
that’s one fine endorsement at that, allow me a snippet
that Obama dude is becoming one strong uniting candidate isn’t he
I must say, though he has disappointed me in the past I am beginning to think we might have a great presidency in the making
woo-hoo !!
Don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on yer way out, Heather !!
When will Leisure suit Larry return to the national dialogue?
Lost her bid to run for the senate and had resigned her house seat
You’re right dosido, and since the identity Joe the Plumber was not understood before the debate, everyone wants to know who he is/is not, so he becomes the issue of what is in the MSM after the debate. Nothing about the issues or the difference in policy matters lingers after the debate in any of the discussions on TV. McCain was successful in the grand distraction of using Joe the Plumber to distract from talking about the real issues, the ones he has supported George Bush on for the past eight years.
Totally and completely off topic (Sorry Tula). Do you know what to do to use up egg whites other than meringues? I don’t have enough to make angel food cake.
McShame is blaming Obama for “smearing” him. How low can this schmuck go?
Forgot the linky http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..35630.html
I’m speechless.
Really! American voters are hurting and he keeps talking about himself. Jeeeez!
Egg white omlettes, homemade marshmallows, you can freeze them in ice cube trays until you have enough to make an angel food cake
Freeze it is! Didn’t know I could do that–brilliant. Thanks!
swopa is upstairs!
John McCain’s Meltdown Has Been 40 Years in the Making
“Joe” the “Plumber” isn’t a Joe, or union plumber, or even a licensed one. He is an active member of an employers’ group that opposes craft and trade unions because they fight for good jobs and a living wage. Neither is “Joe” a wealthy small business owner who would pay more tax under Obama’s plan. There are very few of them. That success makes those added taxes affordable, especially when you consider that it was built not just with the owner’s sweat and hard work, but on the backs of his or her employees, who desperately need what those tax dollars can pay for.
As a spokesman for plumbers, wealthy small business people or anyone without a family tie to one of John McCain’s richest and most generous backers, “Joe” is a fraud, like his presidential candidate and his running mate. How inadvertently honest of McCain’s campaign to pick a spokesman just like them.
Based on “Joe’s” real income and his prospects for income based on past performance (absent sizable family gifts) he would gain more under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain. So why is he advocating for those who oppose his economic interests? Because he needs the cash? Because he mimics the attitudes of family wealth, even if once or twice removed? Or is it because of his persistent fantasy that he’ll win the lottery today, or, like Willy Loman from Death of a Salesman, that he will be wildly successful tomorrow.
The calm, competent, professional often seems called upon to remind the amateur, the panicked, the desperate and the greedy that hope is not a plan. Nor is it a rational tax or economic recovery plan for an America bleeding from every industry in every city and farm, from every pot-filled road and dangling bridge, and from every uninspected cargo container of fruit, toothpaste and children’s toys.
“Joe the Plumber” is as artless, as fraudulent a representative of working Americans as would be John McCain or Sarah Palin. We need a professional, not an angry man who prefers to butt with head rather than think with it.