Both made mostly light-hearted speeches at the dinner which is actually named for the former New York governor and 1928 Democratic Presidential Nominee. McCain, of course, failed to mention that he was actively campaigning for Hoover that year, where he and his followers accused Smith of "palling around with papists" and being someone who would "allow you to have a beer with him".
But first, McCain appeared on David Letterman, after disastrously (and hilariously) stiffing the last person in America you don’t want to piss off and give material. McCain further found out that there is one thing about Letterman for which not enough credit is given, when it comes to politicians, he is a better interviewer than any American news broadcaster. Dave has never suffered fools gladly.
Check out, the exchange in the video above between 1:50 to 3:30 wherein Letterman brings up "associations" the American media is otherwise completely blind toward. Thanks, Dave, you’re a national treasure.
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ZED…Zed is dead…long live the Zedster and David Letterman!!
1,799 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Attaturk and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
McCrazy hasta be “interrogated” every time he shows up in public about the Bill Ayres smear, the racism of his supporters in California, Joe the Plumber, Ohio and of course the ACRON smear that goes to the heart of voter suppression and racism from the top of the ticket and the leadership of the fascist party.
And Obama needs ta let loose the dogs of war and the 527’s and orgs like MoveOn…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THESE BASTARDS WILL NOT GO AWAY BY THEMSELVES, WE’RE GUNNA HAFTA CARRY ‘EM OUT!!
P.S. And furthermore, after hearin’ McCrazy use Hilary Clinton’s Ayers smear, I will NEVER have one iota of repect for either of the Clinton bastards…and Obama should distance himself from BOTH of the slimy gobblins of political opportunism…they should not be allowed anywhere near the White House even with a visitor pass.
Commented this earlier, Cuba may have about as much oil reserves as US. When it was broccoli and cigars only, wasn’t Cuba safer? From BBC.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/10…..nt-1687485
Morning Attaturk and Norske, terribly interesting times these.
As Banks Are Rescued, Will the World’s Hungry Be Overlooked?
A billion people at starvations doors…should that be the lead story across the globe as food prices have soared due in part to commodities speculation and ethanol investment instead of grain?
Humanitarians everywhere where are you? It is fast getting worse.
they’re not too “big to fail”
“Human kindness is overflowing and I think it’s going to rain today” Dylan from “Blowin in the wind” album.
Keeping up with all the lies of a plumber who wants to buy his own business but is worried about Obama’s tax plan will be hard Norske.
Joe doesn’t pay taxes first of all, I think KO said he only made $40,000 last year which means he could work twice as hard this year and still not worry about Obama’s tax increase on the rich.
Never mind that he is not a plumber. Rather he is a plant a Fox News they just happened to catch this guy on Camera plant.
The MSM has not been this hoodwinked since they declared Bush a Compassionate Conservative that they would like to have a beer with.
Question is Joe a SkinHead?
Neglect of strategic economic thinking has become the hallmark of the Chicago School of Economics. Through the 60’s and into the 70’s, the problem for agriculture was surplus. With the ascendancy of the Chicago School in political power perceptions, this surplus was disbursed until at the end of the 80’s only 3 or 4 months supply was at hand. The 90’s saw that reduced to a mere 30 days kept available. Since then, those figures are unknown but it is doubtful that more than 15 days reserve is available at any given time. Dangerously, maybe fatally low. This is the reserve available to feed the world’s population, and it is priced by speculation, not on ability to pay.
There are only 5 concerns that control about 95% of the agricultural production of the US, IIRC two or three are publicly held companies required to publish their books. Theirs is an oligarchy as strategic as petroleum is.
Great if McCain wins we will invade another country Sarah “Drill Baby Drill”
and the GOP get all kinds of Hot when oil is mentioned, thats why we are in Iraq.
Got a link that is some scary information.
Citizen TCU:
The bastard sure looks like a real Brown Shirt doesn’t he?
Citizen T-Bear:
There’s no evidence other than “guilt by association” that Obama is gunna bring Friedmanomic Crisis Capitalism back ta the White House.
P.S. More like an SS Elite Guard.
Not really, it comes from reading papers over the period and memory mostly, I am sure these things can be found on the net. I grew up in a family involved in agriculture and sort of take these things in by habit.
Yes I think more digging into Joe is required. That and those two supposed Obama supporters who got beat up by the grannies. I think Karl is planting a garden.
I don’t think we have seen the end of Vegetable Warfare!
you want to see a man look decidedly unpresidential, I’ll show ou a man cowering beneath david letterman
I have to say, david has alot of nerve insisting on sitting on his high top chair while a presidential candidate and senator sinks below him
I understand that this is staging, carson I believe invented this stageing for the format but it is not acceptable to me as when a presidential canididate is guest
everyone knows I am no mccain supporter but props are props and david deliberaetly staging the effect of towering over this candidate does not please me one bit
david should have changed the format for this appearance, perhaps walked with him to a theatrical set of some sort and thus saved face for not using this demeaning stage affect
Yeah the Banks have already used the Shock Doctrine to get a ton of cash and since the markets are still tanking we have to try something else.
Hitler used victory in war to keep his people to razzle dazzled to focus on what was really going on.
That is until he started to lose the war.
Bush already lost us two wars and let Ossama go free.
First the Shock Doctrine then the war Bush got it all backward and America got lucky.
If Bush were winning his wars, if Bush had caught Ossama there is no telling how much real political capital he would have had.
At the very least we would all be locked up by now.
I wonder how long after Obama wins before we can get our FBI files?
It might be interesting to investigate the founding endowments for the University of Chicago. Presume as you are want, whether there are/were strings attached. Neither Leo Strauss nor Friedman are accidental. Whether Obama brings the Chicago School into the WH is moot, almost all top level management he will install is heavily influenced by that nexus and will continue those programs, either in the open or by stealth. Do not become blinded to the fact that there is only one political base having two political parties to represent it.
Like most people, there is a whole lot of ignorance of things economic going around, why would Obama be different.
No amount of staging could alter the fact that John McCain is not only NOT Presidential, he is not very bright. His pathetic “I screwed up, I was a POW” ploy did not play well with Dave or me.
Lets see who he appoints to any and all economic posts first. I don’t think there was a competing economic theory at the time of the Great Depression in America to Laissez-faire economics.
Laissez-faire economics is the old name for Chicago School economics with less bells and whistles.
FDR had to go get Keynes from England.
If Obama wins Indiana Dave should get a fruit basket.
I’m agreeing with that, I am simply saying david needs to loose that high chair routine when it comes to presidential candidates.
look, mccain would have been small compared to david regardless but staging the effect on a sitting senator and presidential candidate is small of david
anyway, it’s done, I sure hope obama knows better then to appear on david’s show without insisting on a differant set
Small edit… Off to prowl around in the NYT…
Oh — good morning!
Snark? Or What have you done to Perris, Perris have you been supPlanted! Is there a pod growing behind you:)
Morning Marion:)
so why did you watch it if it’s “not acceptable to you? what exactly does than mean?
Hey.
Is that a special set Letterman used? If not, if it’s standard for all celebrities, I see no need to kowtow to any candidate, Obama included. You accept the invite and get the same treatment – or not. You have a choice.
If it is a set installed to belittle any candidate, then that’s a different matter.
Check this out ,look just below strip “Say What”!!!
it’s bullshit, who cares?
Perris, John is short real Short did you see him stand next to Obama at the debate? I was wondering why McCain’s debate people did not insist on something for him to stand on so he looked equal height to Obama.
That and insist that no TV cameras could shoot Obama and McCain standing next to each other when McCain was not standing on a stool.
Sure it sounds hokey but every image consultant has heard that taller people do end up in leadership roles more than short people.
Image Consultants are paid to adjust these facts. McCain’s image consultants failed.
Also its not Dave’s job to lower his seat, advance team of image consultants should have mentioned that to Dave.
Karl would never have let this happen.
Where’s the link I sent!
http://www.doonesbury.com/stri…..index.html
sorry it should read
Also its not Dave’s job to lower his seat, McCain’s advance team of image consultants should have mentioned that to Dave.
Karl would never have let this happen.
Borat and Letterman, exactly the same setup as is every other youtube, take a break
it’s like a bunch of old bitty’s around here
Citizen perris:
WTF??!!! Letterman has the right ta stage any interview with anyone in any way he damned pleases…especially a political hack who stiffed ‘im on national prime time…tit fer tat, butter fer fat, you kill my dog and I’ll kill yer cat!!
If a political candidate comes on an “entertainment” show for the exposure, he/she ken deal with whatever fuckin sets the host sets for ‘em.
Citizen Raven:
What the fuck is goin’ on around here the last day er two…sometimes I don’t recognize the place.
Isn’t Letterman like 6 foot 5, McCains 5 foot 5, that would account for your height difference
How can McCain accuse Acorn of trying to steal an election when Acorn turned in every voter they signed up and the GOP is catching the lies?
In Oregon they do voter initiatives and lots of questionable signatures get thrown out all the time on GOP Initiatives as I recall.
Somebody went around and took everybody’s keycaps for upsidedown M’s.
Citizen TCU:
Awe come on… after stiffin Leterman on primetime, Crazy John is lucky he didn’t end up sittin on a footstool…what the fuck??!!
Terry Garr never complains about the set her and Dave are magic.
Whats wrong with saying that Dave helped Obama and might help us win Indiana?
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Krugman this Friday morning. Bobo, God help us, has been “Thinking About Obama.” He’s playing psychologist today, although not particularly well. (Maybe he stayed at a Motel 6 instead of a Holiday Inn?) There’s also some fortune telling, which he’s not very good at either. He gurgles that through some deep, bottom-up process, Barack Obama has developed strategies for equanimity, and now he’s become a homeostasis machine. Obviously Bobo’s a little uncertain about the actual definition of “homeostasis,” which can be found here. Mr. Krugman says “Let’s Get Fiscal.” He says to get out of the economic slump, the next president should increase government spending and put the concerns about the budget deficit on hold.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got apple and pear turnovers this morning. I’ve got to scramble off and figure out what I’m going to bring for lunch. Both to save a few bucks and to maybe, if I do this right, lose a few pounds I’ve starting brown-bagging. Have a great day.
I got some speech about “frayed nerves” the other day. It’s all about “concerns”.
McCrazy was palling around with domestic criminal I. Gordon Libby? Oh boy. I hope McCrazy was wearing his astronaut diaper last night!
IIRC there have been only 6 “Great” economic philosophers starting with Adam Smith’s “The Wealth of Nations” in 1776. Of these, 5 have been British, one a German anglophile, none have been from the western hemisphere, so all scholarship has been imported from abroad. Historically, there was an ongoing political economic division from Lincoln’s plans for rapprochement at the end of the civil war conflicted severely with the Radical Republicans in the Congress. This too was an evidence of an earlier economic division between National Bank supporters and a populist (western) demand for liberal credit policy going back to Hamilton and later Jacksonian policies. Theodore Roosevelt obtained political standing as a reform politician against the great Trusts that developed after the Civil war. I just cannot understand your contention that there was no countervailing economic position at the time of the Great Depression. J. M. Keynes was well established and published by the time of the depression and known to scholastics.
I agree, waiting to see who will become advisor will tell the story.
Liddy used to tour with Timothy Leary and do campus debates.
Sorry, you forgot Father Guido Sarducci,
Buy Low
Sell High
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
So Obama having self control is evidence of a lack of passion? Bobo makes leaps of logic with selective facts. Passion gets a person to the top in Harvard Law school, Passion makes you a good Basketball player.
Lack of Passion keeps you a mediocre student, and wanna be jock like Bush. Its not who is faster stronger, more skilled and smarter but who wants it more.
Whether its sports or school determination not Bush’s Daddy got Obama where he is now today.
ok, everyone made good points, it’s not up to letterman to cahnge his seat for a presidential candidate
just as it wouldn’t be up to a playmate to throw on some clothes if she is going to interview the candidate, she would either stay in charachter or defer to the moment
I personally would defer to the moment, david did not see fit, I understand and I understand all of your points and agree
the senator’s advance team should have specified, ”you lose your high chair or we do a differant set”
on the other hand, mccain was in a precarious position where he needed to opologize and could therefore make no demands
the fact that the senator could make no demands would make it more appropriate for david to defer to the moment as far as I am concerned but I understand it probably wasn’t even a thought, david has had that set since he took his cue from carson and I suppose nobody even thought of what was going on.
so I opologize for thinking the seat and the election might demand a deferance where the entertainer didn’t use staging to appear bigger then the man or the office
let’s move on, I am wrong here
I think you mean biddies. : D
Morning pups. Looks like another beautiful fall day up here in Canadaland. My take on the ACORN business is that the Goopers are attempting a ’stab-in-the-back’ narrative to keep their fascist followers faithful. Speaking of which, two weeks ago my wife learned from the priest officiating my newphew’s wedding in California that the priest had received a letter from the US government (didn’t say which branch) asking him him how he and his fellow priests would respond to the imposition of martial law following a ‘terrorist’ attack. It wasn’t a polling outfit asking the question. It was our own government.
The economic crash seems to have put a dent in that plan. Silver lining in every cloud, I guess.
Good morning! Gee what a surprise, another babbling Brooks article.
I am betting that Keynes was as well thought of back then as he is now by the GOP, Wallstreet the Media and the Business Channels.
How many Nobel prizes in economics has the Chicago School won?
Krugman I think is the closest we have gotten to respect in American Academia in years.
His stuff is really starting to stink of desperation lately, which is a lovely addition!
Can you get Jane a copy of that letter please?
LOL
That is going to really confuse the definition of economics – throwing in the real stuff
that is scary stuff, it would be nice if the priest made that letter public
knowledge is innoculation
No there’s a shocker. LOL
What the heck is wrong with my typing this morning! I meant ‘now there’s a shocker’. *slapping hand*
I agree with Attaturk about David Letterman being a great journalist compared to what we’ve witnessed over the last 8 years. He’s superb!
Obama needs to hire Krugman!
Oooooooo, now the pathetic morning show, Morning Joe, is going after Joe Biden’s slip when he said ‘3 letters’ and then proceeded to spell out J-O-B-S. Yep, 4 letters, but ole Joe and the rest of the right wing morons are thinking this is the biggest gaffe since George Allen’s ‘macaca’ moment!
LOL
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=home
Is the Derivatives market now crashing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivatives_market
My bold this is huge
All that was necessary was to be known in academic circles, don’t confuse what has developed with what was.
The Chicago School of Economics is a complete fraud, how many frauds does it require to make a valid award.
Agree
What a bunch of wimps the members of Morning Joe are. They’re in Hyannis this morning (cool morning today) and you’d think they were at the North Pole or something!
Buck up wimps. Temperatures today are nothing compared to what’s in store for us in January/February in the northeast!
Sarah Palin’s emails are for sale by her for a cool $15,000,000:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27228287/
And who said the Palin’s couldn’t be easily bought! This is why one day on FDL I said in part, “I bet Sarah would sell her daughters to a dictator to calm the waters between our countries if she gets in as VP”.
Yep! Everything is for sale and she’s going to make as much as she can because she knows she and Johnny are gonna lose this November!
Used to be you could buy Alaska for that
T-Bear, I’m sure that’s in the works too now. ;-)
Letterman is not tall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..es_by_GDP_(nominal)
The derivatives market is $596 trillion the Whole World’s Gross Domestic Product is only $54,311,608.
I got doubts the worlds banks have even a quarter of the money available to back up these derivatives.
Betting money you don’t have is dumb. Betting money you don’t have but paying your early investors with money you get from new investors is a Ponzi scheme.
Investors will look at the bank failure in France and wonder who is next.
At least they are able to cherry pick their “Gallup Polls” without mentioning they are using the won based on the outmoded LV model.
That show is neuron neutering.
“one” not “won”
I can’t spell right now either.
Senior moment @ 69
Used to be you could buy the Louisiana Purchase for that, Alaska was $7,000,000.00
If you don’t know economics you might fall victim to conventional wisdom which in America for many years has been the Chicago School because they have won so many many Nobels.
Obama like FDR is facing a crisis where nothing the conventional economists are saying is working.
I hope he like FDR realizes that and listens to Krugman and Keynes.
I don’t think much of the Chicago School of Economics either T-Bear:)
Hear, hear! Imagine — having a Treasury Secretary who actually knew what he was talking about… Off to slave in the salt mines.
It sure is Attaturk. I only watch it to fuel the rage inside me and it keeps me all practiced-up for troll bashing. See? LOL
Morning, thanks for the Letterman clip, Attaturk.
“millions of words said in politics”
so John McCain admits what he’s selling about Obama is bogus.
His “everybody knows this” is catching up to “my friends.”
It now appears Joe the Plumber is just a right wing schmuck and a plant by the McCain campaign now that we know he’s connected to Charles Keating’s family.
Does it ever end with the right wingers? And why do all their core supporters look like Nationalists….
http://hrw.org/photos/2007/rus…..hotos1.jpg
Bald with beady eyes….arm raised high.
Is that Joe the Plumber in the picture at #80? It could very well be! Spit.
That story got on my very last nerve!
On the count of three……..SPIT!
SPIT!!!!
Oh, and it gets better of course:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Busi…..038;page=1
There are no accidents when it comes to the American Taliban of America! Nope. Everything they do is carefully planned & orchestrated. They’re no different than a spider in a hole who makes a pretty bouncy web outside it to attract it’s next victim! Ahhhhhhhhh, but it is we liberals who come by and use our big boots to squash the little spider. See? LOL
Wahington Journal
7:30am – Jim Powell, CATO Institute, Senior Fellow
8:10am – Peter Glabraith, Author, “Unintended Consequences”
8:50am – Sydney Freedberg, National Journal, Staff Correspondent — Freedberg’s Article Beyond Iraq
The Chicago School of Economics is a cancer on academia that has metastasized into many educational institutions and has become the basis in the education of the business leadership. Almost all awards received by members of the school are for technical works usually of limited effect. However these awards are utilized as camouflage for the overriding validity of the school of thought. This is a great error in conflating technical with general. It takes some education to understand this economic fraud being perpetrated, that education is not generally shared. Ian Welsh does great service illuminating economic factors, a treasure. As may be the new Nobel designate.
In the U.S. comedians are the real journalists and rich celebrities on the TV are merely playing the role of journalists.
And by the way, Joe the Plumber isn’t even registered to vote apparently. Oh, but he’s got very strong opinions! Asshole.
Where was the photo taken and why is he saluting is he in the army? Our army?
I do quite well understanding economics with one college econ class:) But yeah most people don’t have the free time or inclination to study on their own.
OT but NPR last night did a piece on Joe the Plumber but never mentioned the fact that Joe is not a plumber but rather a plant. The corporate media is breathless with Joe the Plumber. There really needs to be a house cleaning at NPR. Kookie Cokie, Mara Liasson among others have to go.
It’s not a picture of Joe the Plumber, but man…if it doesn’t look like him!
Nationalist/Skinhead/Neo-Nazi/American Taliban/GOP….all the same thing. They all look alike too.
It appears Catherine Stevens (wife of Sen. Ted Stevens) has the same kind of memory & excuses as her husband:
http://www.latimes.com/news/pr…..6495.story
Arian Nations, comes to mind
KayinMaine @ 84
So what is the degree of separation between McClueless and his plumber?
and he makes WELL below the threshold where obana’s tax structure would not be a benefit rather then a liability
He gots GOP talking points he’s a perfect plant, a perfectly obvious plant this Joe media storm is amateur hour. This is why the MSM sucks the net was on to him yesterday.
Well, it appears the degree of separation isn’t too far. Here’s a link I provided in a post I did last night:
http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com…..ting-oops/
There is some confusion but the last names are just so uncanny! I mean really, what are the chances that “Joe” Wurzelbacher has the same last name as Robert Wurzelbacher who was connected to the Lincoln Savings & Loan Scandal (think Charles Keating/Keating-5/John McCain/1980’s)?
Joe has to have some connection to Fox I bet he posts on O’Reilly or Malkin’s blog.
Joe is a scaumbag.
If you were writing fiction, it would be dismissed as improbable.
Yep. He’s a schmuck like the rest of us. ;-)
T-Bear…Arian Nation! Yep. That’s another one. Of course, to make themselves feel better, the right wing blowhards will start calling these ‘lefty groups’.
Yesterday on Howie Carr’s show, he said, “Wha? The lefties are going after Joe the Plumber now? What is wrong with them! He’s a plumber for crying out loud!”.
I’m sorry but I did everything I could to not laugh myself into a tree as I drove listening to this ass bloviate the mantra, “WE REPUBLICANS ARE JUST VICTIMS OF THE LEFT WING OF THIS COUNTRY! HELP! SAVE US! THEY’RE BEING MEAN AGAIN!”.
small touchup, no charge ;-)
Calling ACORN. Calling ACORN!!!!! Sign this guy up. Just put Bozo the Clown on the registration form. What an asshole. “I hope I’m not making a fool out of myself” he says. As Joe Biden says: Guess what?
thanks. Good job.
Fox was the first to report on this ‘great American’ who put Barack on the spot if I’m not mistaken.
Anytime Fox gets the scoop first and it’s anti-liberal we should all just assume it’s Fox playing propaganda games with us again!
There are no accidents. ;-)
Agreed Plant!
Yep! “Fool you is, pal!”!!!!
I hope Joe gives Joe hell for this. Biden did say he’s gonna spread the truth and it’s going to make the righties of America feel like they’re in hell!
Let’s hope Biden uses his hell-raiser voice when he does. Love, love, love that voice of his.
Okay, gotta get ready for work along with the rest of the schmucks on the East coast! Have a great day everyone. ;-) I bet Joe the plumber won’t. Bah hahahahahahaha! I smell, “You’re fired!” in his near future.
The SWIM is up above
may work as well @ 103
Oooooooo, that reminds me. I got a call last night from a debt-collection agency (my bills are current) while I was out and the automated system on my answering machine asked for “Nancy Plant” (not even close to being my real name) and said if I didn’t hang up the phone after 3 seconds the agency would automatically assume I was Nancy.
WTF.
Is this a right wing plant call? I mean really, one of the trolls has my real name, address, and phone number and did post it on his blog on the front page recently, so it makes me wonder.
Did I call back? Nope! All the Plants can shove it.
Okay, going to work! LOL
Biden had a good yuck about that one last night with Leno.
I don’t think Dave is gonna accept “I screwed up”. He seemed to harbor a few douibts about Palin. Imagine that.
Can’t help you ask again later maybe someone else at the Lake can help Jane might be interested to hear this.
that’s the problem with this country…the office of the presidency has been shown too much deference, especially in the past generation (well, except if you’re a republican and the president is a democrat).
McCain deserves no deference whatsoever, he’s a bought and paid for politician who panders to the most craven special interests and always puts country last.
Actually in the past 18 years of the 32 people who’ve been awarded the Nobel prize in economics, 24 of them have been Americans with a good portion coming from the University of Chicago.
Not that their academic affiliation consigns them to any particular economic viewpoint.
One of the reasons is that past Nobel laureats get to nominate new ones, and I think their voice carries special weight with the Committee. As a result, if Chicago economists get a few Nobels, there is a greater chance of other Chicago economists getting one, as they take care of their own.
As to the discussion above, I entirely agree. The profession has come to value ‘technical’ — read ‘mathemtical’ proficiency over insight. I had the honour of sitting next to one of the father’s of technical economists a few weeks ago — Kenneth Arrow. He agreed with me that the returns in insight to math econ had pretty much fallen close to zero by the mid 1960s. Most of what passes for economics outside the purely empirical studies is common sense dressed up in impenetrable language. As we used to say of the Chicago school: it takes first class and third-class minds, and turns them into second-class minds.
I can’t get the video to play.
notice says it’s “no longer available.”
McCain damage control must be in “combat override” today.