9:17 Wait, am I hearing things? That almost sounded like a follow-up! (Eli)
9:16 McCain dares to talk about the history of housing crises and financial implications? Keating baby (egr)
9:16 A shared "ethic of responsibility." Good line. (Attackerman)
9:16 McCain talking about the Depression… possibly from personal experience. (Eli)
9:15 Spencer — Joe the Plumber was interviewed later by Neil Cavuto & accused Obama of "socialism." That’s what McCain is trying to tap into. It’s bizarre — he’s clearly taking advice from, well, Confederate Yankee-caliber intellects. (Thers)
9:14 Obama saying that his administration will recoup the $750 billion bailout money. Wish I could believe that… (Eli)
9:13 Taxes, taxes, taxes. . . cuts for millionaires posing as main street mom and pop shops. Is that John McCain or Barry Goldwater? (Pach)
9:13 Yo! Obama! What about McCain’s plan to increase taxes on health care? Missed opportunity. (ew)
9:13 The GOP operative who saw Joe the Plumber on Reddit this morning and fed it to McCain right now is drinking a quart of Drano right now (Thers)
9:11 You’d think McCain’s people would have told him he’s losing partly because people (1) don’t like his attitude and (2) don’t believe him — but he’s already smirking away as his misrepresents Obama’s position. And it shows. This is why he’s losing. (Scarecrow)
9:11 McCain plays the class card in a straw man argument over taxes. Why does he always look like he’s pinching off a big one when he smiles? (Jane)
9:11 "class warfare" from McCain (Teddy)
9:11 Should we spread the wealth around? (WT)
9:11 Obama wants Joe The Plumber to give him all his money to spread around… presumably to Lazy Poor People. (Eli)
9:09 This Joe the plumber guy McCain is referencing is on YouTube — was interviewed by Fox later. Dude’s taxes will go up like $600 on an income of 250-300K. (Thers)
9:08 McCain gets absolutely lost in his own "Wurtzelberger" story. An opportunity to personalize his economic plan up in smoke. (Attackerman)
9:08 Angry McCain, with direct Obama eye contact! Wo0T! It’s Crazy Codger Nite! (Pach)
9:08 McCain tries to play the "American dream" card for some schmoe in Ohio. Wonder if Cindy can get that guy a personal cell phone tower, too? (Christy)
9:08 "It’s da plumbah. I’ve come to make McCain look connected to the little people." (Eli)
9:07 You’d've thought McCain’s team would’ve given him a sound bite about the middle class. I can’t believe they let Obama mention them (us) first. Geez, does anyone really think Senator Anheuser really knows Joe the plumber? (Julia)
9:06 It’s called "rigor mortis", Spencer. (WT)
9:06 McCain didn’t look at Obama when he said "Good to see you again." (Julia)
9:05 McCain’s face looks oddly distended — like a squirrel with a cheekful of walnut Skoal (Thers)
9:05 Anyone else think McCain’s eyebrows look frozen? (Attackerman)
9:04 Another strobe effect tie. BRILLIANT! (WT)
9:04 McCain blaming the collapse on Fannie and Freddie. Again. (Eli)
9:03 McCain opens with the Eddie Haskell card, wishing Nancy Reagan well and telling Obama how glad he is to see him again. (Eli)
9:02 Bob wants the candidates to tell us stuff we haven’t already heard. Hooray! (Eli)
8:59 Tweety to Olbermann: Good bye, colleague. WTF? (Thers)
Well, here we are. The final debate. John McCain is 0-for-2; 0-for-3 if you count the veep debate, which I most certainly do. I don’t see him breaking his losing streak unless Obama totally flubs the Ayers question that EW predicts Schieffer will ask.
I’m hoping that if Ayers does come up, that Obama is aggressive enough to get in a double shot on McCain, hitting him both on his friendship with (and abetting of) Charles Keating, and on the dishonorable recklessness of his smear campaign. Something like this, perhaps. And if something that beautiful does come to pass, I hope that it’s early enough in the debate that Mac spends the next 85 minutes fuming about it… if he doesn’t melt down on the spot.
Four things do work in McCain’s favor:
1) Low expectations. The first debate was largely foreign policy, which is supposed to be his best subject, and the second debate was a town hall, which is supposed to be his best format. This one’s on domestic policy, and he’s already admitted he’s an econ ignoramus. So as long as he doesn’t answer any questions with "humunahumunahumuna" he can at least call it a draw.
2) Because he’s not on his subject matter home turf, he’s less likely to go to the patronizing "What Obama doesn’t understand" routine.
3) He’s got nothing to lose. Expect him to fling a lot of poo in hopes that some of it sticks, or cracks Obama’s composure.
4) Excellent debate prep (see video).



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Aloha, Eli!
This just in (8:58 EST)
Pat Buchanan declares John McCain the “slam-dunk, hands-down winner of tonight’s debate” !!
Oh boy, Schieffer starts with a paean to Russert.
Oh frabjous day.
Jayt! Are you feeling like a winning gypsy tonight?
Oh, right. Some people are easy, eh?
Hi Eli.,i shall endeavor for a NOTABLE quote tonight”g”
Is this like a championship fight where they are trying to psych each other by not being the first to appear?
hi demi,hows Fido?
Digg this thread right here, FirePups!
Keith Olbermann reports: John McCain yells at cloud.
707
Are your socks all rolled up and in a close place??? Now remember if you throw rocks your TV WILL stop functioning and you Will miss the rest of the fun! So make sure you have your socks ready! Oh and reuse of said socks IS permitted!!
And for you drinking… well good Luck and after the tenth one be sure to remain in a sitting position so have the bottle close by!!!!
Let’s do this!
Oh, right. Some people are easy, eh?
don’t forget – I’m also cheap!
I’m ready for a drinking game. Corruption?
Aye, Mr. Partridge.
Hi gang. Watching with my teenager and my hound dogs.
terrorits?
He’s exhausted. From anxiety, I’m guessing. But, otherwise healthy.
Here we go…..
As EW says, she is not permi”.ed to drink to “My friends.”
ugh Sheiffer
well, we know “My friends” is a death wish soo…
Keeping that in mind.
Schieffer with his back to the audience!?
I had a two day hangover from “My friends.”
i’m watching to see if shieffer looks at mccain more than obama
McCain got a face full of botox?
i detest nancy raygun
I always recommend koosh balls, but it’s a little late to go out and buy them now.
Our beloved Nancy Reagan…
Think McCain will utter “My Friends” this evening?
obama going grey at temples from stress
Nancy Reagan hates McDummy from his first wife Carol
708!!!
that’s a question that schieffer get’s paid the big bucks for?
Fannie & Freddie Mae. Is that a slap @ gays?
Second that one!! Anything RAYGUN is poison!!
subprime market did not cause collapse you dummy
How come the first thing mccain does ..is to write?!?!
mccain already looks pissed off
Babbling John
Our beloved Nancy Reagan…
Who has despised McSlime since he left his first wife…
Again with the hospital report. Does ‘our beloved Nancy’ hate him?
mcsame blames freddie and fanny. ugh.
McCain already blaming Fannie and Freddie for the housing crisis and looks to be channeling the Bush “ownership society”
He is already blaming Freddie and Fannie (minorities) for the problem
Ding.
obama has manners thanks all
uhuh!!
John, we’re all disappointed in Paulson.
Wow, he’s really sucking tonight. He’s not making any sense. He’s talking like Palin.
It’s the next-door neighbors’ fault for abandoning their home!
whose watching the squiggly lines on CNN?
That works!! 1 point for innovation!
Schieffer is a neo-con.
Have we decided on a drinking phrase yet? “My friends” just isn’t healthy…
It’s Fannie and Freddie’s fault…! *gah*
O: Too many sentences bfore he said middle class.
mccain looks like he’s tryin to stay awake on ludes
Another paean to low-information voters. Fannie & Freddi did NOT cause this. Fannie & Freddie do NOT directly make mortgages. They buy ‘em from banks et al.
Not only did McCain not answer the question, he didn’t make any sense.
work itself out? did i hear that right?
Fannie and Freddie (Mc) – McShame didn’t look in camera Obama is
Why do they say Fannie & Freddie caused the crisis? They are secondary money market providers of capital to banks that have already made the unwise loans, but they were not the procuring cause of the problems. At least, not so far as I can tell!
again….speaking in tounges
CNN squiggly lines like Barack’s plan better.
Nerf balls work too, as well as nerf bats for the truly upset.
John looked at Obama?????
“Fannie and Freddie May”?
Goddamit, Obama. Why can’t you learn to say “I’m glad John agrees with me that . . .” rather than “I agree with Sen. McCain.”
correcting self — mcain looks drunk
different forum,cant jump across table and grab Obie
lol.
silly me. i don’t know how to score these things.
Shock!!!!! mccain is lookin at obama!
Thanks for the reminder.
Wandering on the lawn by McCain.
Joe Six Pak?
Boy, all McCain has to do is open his mouth, and the reaction lines on CNN dive down!!!
What a hoot!
Of course, that’s MY reaction every time he opens his mouth, too.
What is that huge growth on Crazy’s face?
somebody pulleese define the american dream!
let’s drink to the american dream and maybe we’ll wake up in it come mornin!
McCain just doesn’t do well on the attack.
mr has domestic terrorist, voter fraud, and capital gains tax
McDummy Lying again
Mc having trouble with his stats.
McCain can’t even talk
Joe the plumber? Right…
diy – crumpled up pieces of paper.
SLAP!
This is a question by McCain?
I hope “the American dream” is not in your drinking game.
hahah! i second that!
It’s his thing.
Joe Lieberman
obama needs to get rid of that five oclock shadow thing before these gigs
Well, here it comes! The quote about redistributing the wealth, no doubt! Not specifically, but disguised as Joe, the plumber?
The audio sounds strange… like they are both speaking into a tin can.
Oh, heavens! I have to be at work at 7:30 tomorrow morning, hopefully without a Gothic hangover with flying buttresses and gargoyles…!
Joe is becoming famous…
*sorry for my manners*
bom dia pups
don;t drink
“Washington Insider”
“Wall Street Fat Cats”
Obama gets the first “Thwack!” of the evening.
sorry johnny boy. the negro just has a better rap, no pun there at all
and dammit obama better get after this cretin
Well, I’m sticking with C-SPAN; they have that split screen.
I thought it was “JOSEPHINE the plumber”….
(am I dating myself?)
Spread the wealth and class warfare?
Spreading the wealth is class warfare.
-McCain
just broke into the chocolate stash.
mr has to teach 2nd graders *g*
McCain looks really really angry or is it me?
Ooops, Mc said class warfare. Don’t think that will sell with the Wall St. bailout so fresh.
John the asshole and yes John class warfare has been raging since Ronnie Raygun’s days.
Am I the only one who really doesn’t care that much about small business owners?
There you are! I knew that was coming. Let’s hope he answers that McShame wants to redistribute wealth also, but he wants to redistribute it up! Please, do that!
McCain acting like we haven’t been having class warfare for the last 30 years. He doesn’t want ANYONE’S taxes to go up at all. (Especially for he and Cindy and their friends).
spread the wealth around…joe the plumber. Obama should point out that McCains health care plan will raise taxes
I wonder how many people, like me, have heard enough and want John McCain (and his Sancho Panza, Sarah Palin) to GO AWAY.
damn it, Loo Hoo, I know you another Coke!
i want obama to say this imaginary joe the plumber can’t afford health insurance for his family on the measly 5000 tax rebate mcinsane wants to give him. it costs more than twice that for family insurance.
why doesn’t anyone in obama’s crowd ever mention that?
McCain lames out another failed joke – then flashes the
smileThank you–we have to pay for stuff.
WHOEVER gets in will increase taxes to pay for the goddamned bailout.
McCain is getting pissed early.
Oh, do that silly interrupting and then yucking thing some more. Silly.
i find the visuals distracting. easier to focus on what they are saying if i don’t watch.
mccain is like bush now in that he resents having to justify himself at all
Do we have a moderator?
mccain keeps interrupting Obama
Mc is into caffeine and Red Bull.
american business taxed higher than anywhere else in the world? how do our CEO salaries compare to companies around the world I wonder?
Idiot McLame doesn’t know that 60% of businesses don’t pay any tax at all!
Lie 66% of US companies pay NO None zip TAXES… John the lier!!
Anyone else think McCain seems even smarmier when he’s sitting down?
Hooo boy, McCain’s gettin’ twitchy already.
He cannot talk with being condescending…can’t help it so he smirks. Learned it from W
Ireland? Ireland has the highest income tax as far as I remember.
Not spread the wealth around. LOL
BullShit McCain! US businesses are NOT paying the second highest taxes in the world. Lie!
And Schieffer just ASTOUNDED at the size of the deficit.
Ireland corp taxes may be 11%, but that’s because it’s a welfare state from the rest of Europe. If the rest of Europe would be willing to support us, well guess what we could do.
Did you know that Cindy McCain and her father remained business partners of Charles Keatings for more than a decade after John McCain said he’d had any contact with Keating?
And I’m collecting!
great note to end on Einstein, “Don’t spread the wealth around”
what’s the problem mauimom?
good call.
Heard an economist say the other day that Exxon pays 3.5%
(raises hand)
I do, I do!!!
No, he’s not raising taxes on “Joe the Plumber.”
“Joe the Plumber” is only making that much money in his dreams . . .
He just looks so angry.i don’t have the sound on because well, I can’t deal but wow the body language is screaming anger
obama tell the truth there, cut back on our profligate ways
If I just listen, I start doing things and then I find I’m not listening.
Are we there yet?
Well thank goodness I’m not drinking to McGrumpyPant’s smirks, I’d be on the floor already!
I suggest you look away and listen
paygo? – cut the MICC!
When you run a military like ours, that engage in wars to protect the corporation profits, those people need to be taxed.
yeah cuz you just don’t know what’s going on under that table do ya?
McCain is rude — interrupting Obama, making smart-ass remarks. However, I don’t think Obama’s doing that well: he’s back to Mr. Professor mode + too much information.
McCain’s information-free presentation allows him to “flow” better — no need to worry about facts.
Debate is a nice format for the funeral for supply side trickle down daddy warbuckism.
Plus that square head thing is more evident.
No but thanks for pointing it out. At least he doesn’t look shorter!!
Only if you say “Rosie the Riveter…” ;-)
mcc: I just wanna change the subject now
Why’s McC keep writing?
That smirk is just irritating. Like, “how am I supposed to be serious when I’m on stage with THAT ONE?”
Waving HI to (((Suz))) The Birthday Girl!!
Is McCain answering the questions?
For sure. If taxing health benefits from your company is not a new tax to the middle class or the working poor, I don’t know what is!
McCain: Thanks Bob, I need to go back and speechify some more so I’ll ignore the question you just asked.
McC is speaking from memory
Why isn’t McGrumpy answering the question? What is he talking about?
bet you’re good at multitasking.
Whoa, McCain’s playing “Lingo” and pulling the topic balls out of a hat.
It’s still true — as soon as McCain starts to speak (whining) the reaction lines go WAY down. Yup, yup, I feel the same way.
Schieffer – “Cut the shit John, and answer the fucking question!”
I guess McLame did his obligatory 2 seconds of eye contact with BO and now he’s done.
he’s not grumpy. he’s pissed.
Who’s got “I know how” in their drinking game?
Is McGrumpy going to lose it tonight? Seems like he’s getting close.
I have the sound up now and mr just took a shot at his mention of clinton
Why’s McC keep writing?
“The New Amphetamine Shrieks”
Whoa, WTF is he talking about….old man yells at cloud indeed!
You can’t get more smarmy than McShame sitting, standing or in any other position!
mcsame: i’m so stupid i believe the shit i’m saying.
“Sugar cane based ethanol” – Bob, are you in?
[A Hawaiian in-joke]
any ideas out there about what could possibly happen to stop this election from taking place?
i know, i know, but naomi sezz so
Damn … my secret phrase was “I Know” … L’chaim !
God, McCain can’t even get his talking points out right.
McCain just lost Washington State. “I fought Boeing and aircraft deal”
Drink on earmark or pork barrel.
earmarks…DRINK!!!
Ooo he’s pretty much off the rails now, huh? Never even touched the question, did he?
I can save billions and billions – but I won’t tell anyone until I’m elected. the overhead projector again! holy cow. he is getting weirder
More line-item veto bullshit.
Goddmamnit Barack – stand up!!!!
Exactly. Hardly attractive and as we all know a lie is sure to follow.
Oh – and the writing, I think it’s a prayer (Oh PLEASE don’t let me screw up as bad as the last time) or (Oh PLEASE strike THATONE with a lightening bolt).
Suzanne — sorry, I’m not here often enough to know — is it your BIRTHDAY, sweetie???
Big birthday hugs to you!!! [And even if it’s not your birthday, you are welcome to keep those hugs, anyhoo.]
Bill Maher (paraphrased): CNN has to stop showing the response meter. Everytime it flatlines, he screams “My god, he’s dead”
mccain looks like jabba the hut
jabba the hut for president!
We from the Islands get it too … *g*
Same game. same old McSame tonight.
Whoa, Obama just called bullshit on earmarks.
Crazy on energy. “We can create millions of jobs.” Nukuler power produces few jobs, except for all the security that is needed to protect it from terrorists. Now Crazy is criticizing the Planetarium again.
NUKULAR good, SCIENCE EDUCATION bad.
no drinking on “pork” without having pork rinds handy as well
He’s holding back on catching Osama too.
Took Obama too long before he tied Mc to W’s tail.
i’m wanting a john mccain meltdown – televised nationally – for my birthday present.
absolutely – the McCain health care plan is just a gift to insurance companies while leaving us out in the cold
McCain: I’m not George Bush
I just support all of this major programs.
CNN must have hired some even stupider “undecideds”. the squiggly lines look way different tonight.
oooooh, snotty “I am not Pres. Bush.” That’ll show ‘em!!
actually mccain is ‘the emperor’ meets jabba the hut
nasty
Mayor of NY Bloomberg…
Nice, John…
balance the budget and cut taxes?
McSame is all over the map and very frentic.
seems like McCain is getting way more time than Obama
McCain is giving Obama so many targets, BO doesn’t know where to shoot first (figuratively, of course)
dropping g s like Pandora Palin
How the hell does job creation and energy independence balance the budget?
I agree
McCain opposed oil company goodies in the budget? since when?
its just attack attack attack
Happy happy birthday!
Verse 2:
How old are you? …
McCain looks like he has a serious case of the red ass.
McCain hasn’t been in the Senate for the last 2 years.
What does it mean when you blink all the time?
Heh, there’s a public service announcement here in the Isles that we can grow ourselves into energy independence… Based on the now defunct Sugar cane industry… Go figure…!
PLEASE OH PLEASE!! I would give a months earnings to see that!1
Just bring crashing four Navy Jets and How his Daddy Admiral saved his butt!
“Americans are hurting, and angry.”
Yeah, we GET it. You’ve learned your talking point for the night.
Whoop-dee frickin’ do!
Happy Birthday Suzanne!
But I don’t think you’re going to get that McCain meltdown– he’s too smart for that. He’s a maverick with a steady hand on the tiller.
:-)
Oy, O supports tort reform, clean coal. Now there’s a real progressive. /s
Ouch. “Trial lawyers, a major constituency in the Democratic party.”
That one’s gonna appear in some Republican ads.
obama doesn’t always say what i like, but at least his conversation follows some logical path
“Even Fox News disputes it.” Ouch.
Fox news disputed McCane?
since this is the last “debate” i’m trying to watch for a bit and not just listen (streaming cspan). gotta say obama has a nice smile.
but don’t like him blowing off the teacher, environmentalists, etc.
Good one tie McCain to BUSHco
Don’t take the bait O, hit him back and pivot to answer the question
Happy Birthday, Suz. Have a drink – you may need it.
McCain knows absolutely nothing about economics. He plans to balance the budget after cutting taxes, and in the face of a foolish mortgage purchase plan.
It is maddening to listen to the stupid.
round two upstairs
Mc looked like he was falling asleep for a bit there.
McGrumpy is trying to throw Obama off his game. Trying to get him rattled.
If I’ve mistaken you for Bush, it’s because what you are proposing is 8 more years.
I’m noticing that too. ???
Yeah, the sugar cane industry that can’t afford to water already planted fields because of the drought.
blinking = lying
You’re a liar.
Why? Are ya having trouble with yer eyes?
Ha!!!!
McCain has the scars to prove he fights with dubya!
New Post
WTF! McShame will only lie again! He can’t tell the truth; he won’t win! The sucker relented on torture, for pity sake! What’s he talking about!
blinking furiously
means one’s a lying liar…
New Thread upstairs
Here we go!
Yep, the squiggly lines like McC.
Oh, here we go!
LOVED the fact that Obama speaks of McGrumpy’s “Economic Plan” especially since it’s become clear he has NONE.
OH – AWESOME – nasty campaigning coming up….
New thread, see you upstairs everybody
but a very nice smile.
Hmmm…judgment call? Did Marcy call it? I think so!
McCain: I’m a hero. I’m a hero. Senator Obama you’re a bozo.
Obama is looking weak and sucking up to the wrong side.
I knew it would be Schieffer that brought up Ayers!
waa waa – I had to lie about Obama because he wouldn’t do a town hall with me, and then when he did he whupped my ass
Who’s on the stopwatch? Seems like Mc is speaking way too long.
I’d say that was a reasonable request.
He’s a maverick…
Looks like we have a lying Pillsbury dough boy….
McCain will go done in history as one of the most loathed politicians in U.S. history. Right behind his mentory, GWB.
Watergate – wtf?
Got that right. McCain rambles and Schieffer lets him prattle on.
Did no one tutor McCain on body language ?
He’s lyin’ like a cheap rug …
why does the indie line on CNN tip every time Obama comes up? That’s not good is it or am I misunderstanding how the line works.
Did O say middle class only once so far?
“He’s ATTACKING my policies!!!”
Whiner!
mavericky smug-o-rama.
Obama needs to get in McCain’s comfort zone.
Liar – McCain hasn’t heard anyone at Obama’s rallies calling for him to be killed.
Obama’s got to be tougher with this liar.
McCain spoke at an ACORN convention……….praising them….
Why doesn’t Obama know this…. and use it?
Last chance to knock this guy out.
Obama shouldn’t have mentioned Biden’s vast Foreign Policy experience, McCain is going to beat him up with it.
Iraq united?
McCain looks like he needs glasses…
…. maybe that’s why he has problems looking people in the eye.
Is there really another half hour of this? I can’t stand watching McShame.