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	<title>Comments on: Schumer: Banks Won&#8217;t Take Help if CEOs Don&#8217;t Get to Keep Huge Salaries</title>
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		<title>By: datadave</title>
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		<dc:creator>datadave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Having nearly half citizenship in NY (where my fiancee lives), the politics here still gives me shivers, carpetbagger Hillary &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Wall Street Senator Schumer. You gotta realize NY gets a lot of tax money from Wall Street but it still smells. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While reading about the Keating Five and S and L crisis a little known US Representative Chuck Schumer pushed for the blaming of the crisis on a few notably relatively innocent Senators for deregulation’s effects. Fellow Democrats took the fall for Reagan (and Wall Street Schumer’s) deregulation of the Savings and Loans. Liberal Icons like Alan Cranston and John Glenn? Only Republican McCain had any money involved in Charles Keating’s affairs and that was his wife’s 300+K real estate investment. The House decided to not go after Teflon Reagan and instead make an example of a few Senators who only were trying to help One Savings and Loan…(not the whole bunch of them including the one that the Clinton’s were only marginally involved in…and in that case Schumer didn’t defend the Clinton’s much either). Of course Schumer wanted to deflect attention from Reagan/Schumer’s deregulation agenda. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Schumer though is known to have an prefect 1600 SAT….maybe he fooled the testers then too? Bright? You betcha!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having nearly half citizenship in NY (where my fiancee lives), the politics here still gives me shivers, carpetbagger Hillary <i>and</i> Wall Street Senator Schumer. You gotta realize NY gets a lot of tax money from Wall Street but it still smells. </p>
<p>While reading about the Keating Five and S and L crisis a little known US Representative Chuck Schumer pushed for the blaming of the crisis on a few notably relatively innocent Senators for deregulation’s effects. Fellow Democrats took the fall for Reagan (and Wall Street Schumer’s) deregulation of the Savings and Loans. Liberal Icons like Alan Cranston and John Glenn? Only Republican McCain had any money involved in Charles Keating’s affairs and that was his wife’s 300+K real estate investment. The House decided to not go after Teflon Reagan and instead make an example of a few Senators who only were trying to help One Savings and Loan…(not the whole bunch of them including the one that the Clinton’s were only marginally involved in…and in that case Schumer didn’t defend the Clinton’s much either). Of course Schumer wanted to deflect attention from Reagan/Schumer’s deregulation agenda. </p>
<p>Schumer though is known to have an prefect 1600 SAT….maybe he fooled the testers then too? Bright? You betcha!</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To reprise the Claude Raines line, “I’m shocked, shocked”. What on earth did you expect from seriously greedy bastards? The middle and lower classes have been victimized for years as LBO’s turn corporations into chop shops, selling off this and that, going for economies of scale with the little people getting fired and the movers and shakers accumulating billions. They’re not going to see the errors of their ways and stop it voluntarily. The question, which is not being discussed is what can WE do about it? Obama is a step in the right direction, but the system is broken. I’m not sure he, or any of the liberals we mean to elect, are of a mind to fix it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reprise the Claude Raines line, “I’m shocked, shocked”. What on earth did you expect from seriously greedy bastards? The middle and lower classes have been victimized for years as LBO’s turn corporations into chop shops, selling off this and that, going for economies of scale with the little people getting fired and the movers and shakers accumulating billions. They’re not going to see the errors of their ways and stop it voluntarily. The question, which is not being discussed is what can WE do about it? Obama is a step in the right direction, but the system is broken. I’m not sure he, or any of the liberals we mean to elect, are of a mind to fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank you!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The purpose of the Justice System is to Deter, Punish and Protect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m up for some of this. Through the Justice system. I want is as long draw out and emotionally painful as possible for the perpetrators.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of the Justice System is to Deter, Punish and Protect.</p>
<p>I’m up for some of this. Through the Justice system. I want is as long draw out and emotionally painful as possible for the perpetrators.</p>
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		<title>By: MidnightWalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidnightWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sadly, none of this is funny. I just use bizarre humor and denial to get thru it…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, none of this is funny. I just use bizarre humor and denial to get thru it…..</p>
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		<title>By: MidnightWalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidnightWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Pick two” (3 stooges - Bush/Paulson/Bernanke; Kashkari is “shemp”)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Pick two” (3 stooges &#8211; Bush/Paulson/Bernanke; Kashkari is “shemp”)</p>
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		<title>By: MidnightWalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidnightWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about “Mini-Me” Kashkari? Suddenly, we’ve had a “bailout czar” and we didn’t know it! Of course, like Paulson, he’s bald and worked for Goldman-Sachs. “Mini-Me”!!! Or Colonel Clink, take your pick!!! Really, it’s not funny, though…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about “Mini-Me” Kashkari? Suddenly, we’ve had a “bailout czar” and we didn’t know it! Of course, like Paulson, he’s bald and worked for Goldman-Sachs. “Mini-Me”!!! Or Colonel Clink, take your pick!!! Really, it’s not funny, though…</p>
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		<title>By: ralphbon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralphbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Getting rusty. Meant to include the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/PR00066.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;, although I see others found it. Oddly, the document is undated and the senator’s web site doesn’t seem to link to it directly from its press release archives. However, the bill was passed in 1999, so it’s safe to assume that’s when the statement was made.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise</p>
<p>Getting rusty. Meant to include the <a href="http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/PR00066.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>, although I see others found it. Oddly, the document is undated and the senator’s web site doesn’t seem to link to it directly from its press release archives. However, the bill was passed in 1999, so it’s safe to assume that’s when the statement was made.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting if the numbers are even remotely close.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real underlying problem here is none of what is being discussed. Correct me if I am wrong, but we do not have enough tree’s (or anything else other than theoretical growth) to cut down and print money to pay our debt (as people, companies that are vapor assets anyway, government). Likely not even enough to pay our debt interest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the basis to build it back up - manufacture is gone, we have used up most of our resources advantage from the early days of the country (we have some good soil that is slowly going away, good water in some areas). As people lose their jobs and homes it just gets worse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big banks have a handful of trillion dollars and their magic makes that out to be 100’s of trillions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think gobal financial collapse (with a few minor points of order) is what they are going for as best case. Otherwise relativly speaking we will be the biggest losers (trying to close that gap).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I supose its possible to stop after all there are an awful lot of people running around doing stuff - would seem stupid to ruin all that (but again we are talking Humpty here). I would like to think that our leaders are willing to say and do what it takes, also that we take voting and civics seriously (wanna have a beer with Palin and do some shootin - then vote for her).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway the “econ” is based on what 80% consumer so tell me again how printing money to do anything is going to help (even if its targeted at “those in need” - we are the ones “paying” for it anyway and that is either a loan or inflated money). Allow deeply debted people to keep spending and keep the music going while there are no chairs left?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway obviously not very clear what I have written so I will need to work on that - BUT WHERE IS THE MONEY! If its all vapor money (or good and stolen) how does printing more vapor money do anything othe than have another bubble for a little bit. Where is the growth going to come from (lets say green energy, what else…perhaps military)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anything that uses inflation might bring some folks down with us since the “risk” is spread around - but it also garuntees that they will choose to dump the dollar at some point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting if the numbers are even remotely close.</p>
<p>The real underlying problem here is none of what is being discussed. Correct me if I am wrong, but we do not have enough tree’s (or anything else other than theoretical growth) to cut down and print money to pay our debt (as people, companies that are vapor assets anyway, government). Likely not even enough to pay our debt interest.</p>
<p>What is the basis to build it back up &#8211; manufacture is gone, we have used up most of our resources advantage from the early days of the country (we have some good soil that is slowly going away, good water in some areas). As people lose their jobs and homes it just gets worse.</p>
<p>The big banks have a handful of trillion dollars and their magic makes that out to be 100’s of trillions.</p>
<p>I think gobal financial collapse (with a few minor points of order) is what they are going for as best case. Otherwise relativly speaking we will be the biggest losers (trying to close that gap).</p>
<p>I supose its possible to stop after all there are an awful lot of people running around doing stuff &#8211; would seem stupid to ruin all that (but again we are talking Humpty here). I would like to think that our leaders are willing to say and do what it takes, also that we take voting and civics seriously (wanna have a beer with Palin and do some shootin &#8211; then vote for her).</p>
<p>Anyway the “econ” is based on what 80% consumer so tell me again how printing money to do anything is going to help (even if its targeted at “those in need” &#8211; we are the ones “paying” for it anyway and that is either a loan or inflated money). Allow deeply debted people to keep spending and keep the music going while there are no chairs left?</p>
<p>Anyway obviously not very clear what I have written so I will need to work on that &#8211; BUT WHERE IS THE MONEY! If its all vapor money (or good and stolen) how does printing more vapor money do anything othe than have another bubble for a little bit. Where is the growth going to come from (lets say green energy, what else…perhaps military)?</p>
<p>Anything that uses inflation might bring some folks down with us since the “risk” is spread around &#8211; but it also garuntees that they will choose to dump the dollar at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wake up Schumer.  I think your pants are on fire.  Your gyroscope is busted.  Your head’s in the sand.  Your heart and brain?  I have not a clue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wake up Schumer.  I think your pants are on fire.  Your gyroscope is busted.  Your head’s in the sand.  Your heart and brain?  I have not a clue.</p>
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