Final Update: 143 Conservative, Liberal 77, BQ 49, NDP 3, Indpendent 2 – some results still to come in so numbers could sway either way. Conservative minority government.
Update (11:00) Definitely a minority conservative government. I would have liked a lib-NDP coalition, but this is as good as I hoped for when the election was called. Fundamentally, the Conservatives are no more powerful than they were before, and since Harper broke his word to the other parties to call this election, I don’t think he’s going to enjoy the next year or so very much – in charge during a recession, with the other parties hostile.
Update (10:37) Conservatives closing to within 10, but it doesn’t look like they’re going to make it. Key here is that suburbia went hard conservative, urban went liberal and rural outside of the Maritimes and the Prairies split NDP/Conservative. Big winner so far looks like Jack Layton and the NDP. Conservatives did ok, but con minority, even if larger, is still just a minority. Still time to go, things could change. Dion is probably not going to be Liberal leader next election.
Well, it’s here and the results are coming in. Conservatives doing better than expected, their percentage vote total is identical to the liberals as of this writing (32.39% to 32.33) but it’s much more concentrated and is leading to them having a higher projected seat total (92 to 52). I also expect it to rise as more Prairie and Alberta results come in. The NDP is doing well, at 23.77, but likewise it isn’t translating. Amazingly to me, Southern Ontario is trending Conservative, I think because of NDP/Liberal vote splitting. The Bloc Quebecois is doing quite well in Quebec.
The election is in the air still, but the Cons are definitely doing better than predicted. Outside chance of a majority just got larger, though I still think they won’t get it, unless BC trends hard their way, and I think that’s unlikely. This looks like a bit of a breakthrough election for the NDP and BC is the hard core of their support. I think they’re going to do quite well there.
But we’ll see, it’s early hours yet.
(Primer:
Conservatives are our crazies. Not quite as crazy as Republicans, but they still believe that the correct response to all ills is to take a tax cut and don’t call the doctor in the morning.
Liberals are like very liberal Democrats, the left wing of the party would be around Bernie Sanders
NDP are socialists. No, it’s not a dirty word.
Bloc Quebecois think Quebec should separate. Other than that, they might as well be NDPers.
Greens are conservatives who believe that cooking the planet alive is bad for business)



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Oh, Leisure Guy!
*sigh* My home province of Alberta is sooo conservative…!
much different than the Greens in germany who are hard left
I had no idea you were a Canuck
The Liberals ran a very weak campaign.
Dion & Rae should be drummed out of the party post haste !
I was born in Canada with dual citizenship, wobbs!
The Bloc Quebecois is doing quite well in Quebec.
How’s it doing oootside Quebec?
Hmmm..that does not bode well.
President Sarah Palin anyone???
Cheers?
Better get used to that possibility here too…
Endless SNL ridicule and Goddess knows what else…Alaska no longer a State…polar bears swimming for their lives…
How could Canada be so stupid? Diebold, or whatever they go by now….? Or just plain teh stupid?
I doubt teh stupid, because Canadians are not that teh stupid…are they?
The Aye-raq? Have they caught the disease? WTF????
Ah, a fellow dual citizen *g*
Seems like Ian should have spent more time on Canadian issues than subverting Obama. Triste.
He can do both and is welcome to do so. We are all progressives but it doesn’t mean we agree wiith each other all the time.
Oh, Canada!!!
The NeoCons have worked hard to win this one. The Liberals have done diddly squat and it’s showing …
I guess we have to rearrange our emigration plans!!
Can we send McCain back to Panama. Oh wait, they have enough suffering there. No need to make things worse
LOL mr says he owes you a shot of tequila (he said the same thing)
Yep, I might be headin’ your way …
well about the rest of you yanks having to change your plans. We were just going to head to England or back to Brasil
Ian:
I know this sounds goofy, but do you have any idea if Neil Young can, or is allowed to vote in the elections? He’s always kept his Canadian citizenship. And I’d have to believe that he thinks of Harper the same way he thinks of Bush(Which isn’t much).
It is my limited understanding that this has been a long term agenda?
Petro…I’m so sorry. :(
Italy went back, unbelievably to Berluscosi.
France went for Sarkozy.
Do not be surprised to see McCain appointed Pres of the US either.
This is our fight.
My contempt for
Joe LiebermanBob Rae knows no bounds !LS, as Petro points out, the liberals can’t get their shit together… They lost to Harper, originally, because of their scandals, a la the same manner in which Rostie and co. lost their majority status under Clinton in ‘94… The masses will only put up with incompetence for so long before they throw the bums out…!
So.
Where are we all going?
Ummm…Scandinavia..too frikkin’ cold and dark, but great benefits.
Ummm…Costa Rica????!!!!???
Not here. We are going to break that cycle.
Cheers!!
Have I missed something or would you like to elaborate on that?
Oh Canada is right.
Costa Rica is very nice. Don’t come to Brasil. You will lose your mind there. The Worker’s party has the majority, which should be a good thing but they are all corrupt
It’s good to see that nothing much has changed since I lived in the frozen north.
Can’t they throw the bums out now? Geez. Now is the point of power. Now. Out. Nevermind.
Panama.
Bob Rae congratulating himself for spearheading a miserable campaign …
Minor party results, per Elections.ca
Christian Heritage Party – 8193 votes
Libertarian – 857 votes
Radical Marijuana – 674 votes
Communist Party – 573 votes
Work Less Party – 0 votes
Various other parties listed there with only acronyms.
(I’m guessing the Work Less Party is either in the west (BC?) or they couldn’t be bothered to actually vote.)
It’s my birthday, and I can have atrocious language…ahem…you know..we might see McCain voted in as President to our dismay….ahem..burp.
I actually wish our elections were tonight.
CTuttle’s lanai.
Ugh. This is my first Canadian election and it’s making me a little sick.
I’ve got property in Panama. Word has it that Ruben Blades is going to be the next president!
On the brighter side: no matter what the outcome of this election, Canada still has the superior donut shop chain.
You may not dig the Canadian election results, but you can Digg this post…
Italy went back, unbelievably to Berluscosi. France went for Sarkozy. The US went for Bush, with McCain still a viable candidate. Russia went for Putin. Canada trending NeoCon…
Authoritarianism is on the march, worldwide. Best to see it, recognize it, and try to see a way through it.
A radical marijuana party? Shouldn’t there be a ultra-conservative marijuana party for balance?
The Work Less and Radical marijuana party should merge. Seems like a natural match
If you have any questions about Canada, please ask me. Being from NH, a US state with a border with Canada makes me an authority.
-G
That would be awesome. He used to play with one of my fav music groups, ‘Bad Haggis’
Happy Birthday, LS!!
True! After all, it’s obvious that whoever came up with supply-side economics was smoking some serious dope.
Four years of limited acces to the press. Four years of contempt. Four years of lies and dirty tricks. Perpetual war. Faith based funding. Kill the culture…
Harper, Cheney, Bush… Whatever!
LOL !!!
I had a Canadian over for dinner tonight. He never mentioned the elections. Come to think of it, politics wasn’t mentioned a single time.
I wonder if their religious fundamentalists are as politically activeas ours? Are they conservatives?
We’ll need a few more drinks Friday night, after this …
*sigh* Why didn’t the liberal party do any work for this election?
I’ve been wondering if you were around RonD. I am not happy with your hometown right now.
I’m there… But I live to work
and vice-versa
So do I, but don’t know much about the politics except that the terrorist fist bump is all the rage.
Who is Ruben Blades? (Doesn’t sound like a very Panamanian last name..)
Happy Birthday!
Think I’ll go pour myself a single malt to celebrate your day.
Yes, McSFB could be voted in, right after the sun falls from the sky. And the last miracle worker I heard of died a couple thousand years ago.
Do you have to patrol for Canucks every morning?
Yes, I agree.
Canadian Club or Orpailleur, whatever!
Hehehe.
I can see Canada from my house- if I change to the right channel
Work Less Party – 0 votes
heh. In 1980 I voted Libertarian. didn’t even know what that meant really (still politically agnostic at the time) just so that the following week I could look in the local, very small town newspaper, and see that Reagan got 700 some votes, Carter got maybe 400, and the Libertarian got – One.
I thought it was funny.
Guess ya had to be there….
Diebold … Rove … NeoCons …
… never say never …
can you see it from your house?
You welcome him to do so.
I guess their supporters are too busy partying …
Is there such a thing as a “Good Haggis”?
John Anderson?
Tee-hee
Yer not talking about da Rays, are ya? It’s only 13-3 in the bottom of the 8th. *g*
So who’s winning- Raw Story says that conservatives hold
ROFL
That rocks to be “The One”
Canada Dry ginger ale?
Platform of the Radical Marijuana Party, in toto, from wiki:
“Legalize marijuana and legalize a revolution.”
I welcome the discussion of all thoughts even if I don’t agree with them
More minor results (via Globe and Mail, who helpfully spells these things out):
Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada – 1963
Newfoundland and Labrador First Party – 1801
Communist Party of Canada – 765
Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada – 128
As helpful as the G&M is, however, they do not explain the difference between the Comrades of the CPC and the Comrades of the M-L Party of Canada. Followers of Mao vs followers of Lenin?
They’re the “base”. The Conservatives party took over the Reform Party, wich was a bunch of religious fundies. That was the start of Harper’s rise. They stole the neocon playbook.
Talking points and weed don’t go together very well.
CBC is saying Conservative minority. There are still a lot of ridings that haven’t been called, but they are presumably basing the call on something.
Yes. i had some in Inverness *g* They didn’t make it the old fashikn way rather it was baked. Tasted like corn beef hash to me.
Maybe somebody was a tad bit high when he/she wrote the platform!
Yes. Some of us are crying in our beer on the beach.
Jeez … whose playin’, the Rays or the Bucs ? *g*
Really? I thought that whoever writes the talking points for FOX news had to be toasted.
Hi Gnome!
Oh, you mean the baseball thing…um…All those Rays fans getting drunk and screaming are going to be screaming something a little different when the Rays use this as an excuse to get the taxpayers to build them a new stadium, when they haven’t even finished paying for the first one yet.
Small comfort, I know.
To deal with this evening, I’m going to be doing one liners to evacuate the rising dread I feel.
Ale sounds damn good at the moment.
According to CBC, leading or elected:
Conservatives 146
Liberals 76
Bloc Quebecois 50
NDP 33
Independents 2
I was sick that Berluscosi retook power.
I was sick that Sarkozy won in France.
I’m sick that the Canadians are going going for the conservatives.
We are next, once again…I’m worried…once again that we will get McCain/Palin.
What world are we in???
What is happening?
Why can’t we stop this?
This cannot be what the world wants..it can’t.
Wake me up.
No, this is positive for Quebec. The Libruls & NDP will undercut Harper every chance they get, so he will pander to the Bloc for the next 4 years. To get their votes, the Libruls will pander some more … Win/Win for Quebec !
I was sort of resigned to a conservative minority, but if they pull off a majority, I will be beside myself.
I’ll be right behind you if Mccain wins.
Thanks! It’s always good to know that silver linings have dark clouds behind them.
The big issue with Berluscosi is that he is the Murdoch of Italy. He owns 90% of all media ….. TV, radio and print….. 90%…..
When we stayed in Milan the concierge of the hotel we stayed in (actually owner) had a lot to tell us about Italian politics…… as Simon unloaded…. Elmore and I looked at each other and thought….. OMG I’m back in Arizona…. he started with illegal immigration, immigrates taking all the jobs, outsourced jobs to China, crime caused by the illegal immigrants…… same story
AND yes I did keep my mouth shut…… it was more fun listening to him rant….. So when you have Berlusconi who owns 90% of the media then controls the debate and blame it all on immigrants when it was policies put in place by Berlusconi.
When a country has media from multiple sources, where there are choices of views….. When they haven’t canceled the news……. where its citizens are informed and engaged…….
though I am at least one fourth Scottish, it has always sounded awful to me…
Was the Bloc not the official opposition at one point?
3 games left. Anything can happen. My real favourite, the Dodgers, are now in the position the Red Sox are in.
Wake up and take a couple of deep breaths. it is a cyclical thing. We are not going to elect McCain and that is final!!!! *g*
Yer not talking about da Rays, are ya? It’s only 13-3 in the bottom of the 8th. *g*
They did score one more run… 13-4…! *sob*
Yes.
Nope, they’ve only been interested in representing Quebec at the Federal level …
When ?
I really loved it. i ate it a few times along with my TruBrew. But I lived on Fish n chips there because we were in this little fishing town (Ullapool) and they served the freshest fish I have ever had
Hmmm. Conservatives are in charge right now, aren’t they? Did they have an absolute majority before the elections?
Oh, I’m with you. About 45 minutes ago I was getting quite upset. But it doesn’t look like they’re going to pull it off.
But you know, with three (nominally) left parties, I don’t see how we get out of this situation without a major realignment. Which I also don’t see happening.
If talking points were written by toasted people only toasted people would be able to follow or understand them. Lizard brains would explode.
I’m beginning to believe in reincarnation for real….they weren’t kidding when they said history repeats itself.
Early 1930’s.
Hey, they could still bat around a couple times in the 9th.
Nope. They had a minority. They had hoped to pick up a majority in this election.
I suppose I do too, but I wonder what progressives are doing criticizing the best realistic alternative when the worst is imminent. Ian, also, has a whole ‘nother country to be salvaging… Oops – guess he forgot…
Exactly … Harper has to commit a major blunder a la BushCo for the Liberals to regain power …
Hmmm…how would an ultra-conservative marijuana party govern?
A rich cabal controls all supplies, subverts the government, and either imprisons or shoots anyone that dares grow their own…
I know – the conservatives can form a government with less than a third of the popular vote.
Ruben Blades
93, their first election, 54 seats, couple more than the conservatives.
Plus the liberals have to get their act together. Enough wandering in the wilderness already.
Oh right … I was living abroad at the time and heard Kim Campbell got a shellacking …
Nah, his specialty is economics which really has no country boundaries – especially given the increasing globalization. If we don’t agree with him or some of the others, we do so. he is a big boy and can handle it, if he couldn’t he wouldn’t post here *g*
A shop keeper on Crete in our discussion of this election…… his comment was we have so few choices…… it was also fun dropping the McCain facts ….. and later I found out that his was a Greek/American and would be voting in this election…. hoho…. boy did I unload about McCain….. and then I didn’t know squat like I know now……
If they put Rae in charge, you can kiss the next election goodbye …
that was for Gloria @ 108
Think Colombian drug cartel
But what a finish…
I criticize him because I want him to be even better, and I for one consider myself extremely lucky to be able to read Ian’s work. Clapping louder to drown out the dissent has never worked for me.
Then how come they’re in charge?
Time to de- stress … TDS up !
The Rays want a new stadium and Progress Energy wants to build a kazillion nuclear power plants. We’ll get stiffed with taxes from the county and about $11/month from Progress Energy. And Sternberg will laugh all the way to the bank. The good thing is that I don’t think there’s enough support in the county itself for the stadium. I also want to talk with some folks about how Progress Energy can force us to pay for capital improvements. If I don’t pay the extra dough do they have a legal right to turn my power off for a non-power related cost, and stuff like that. Corporatists! I’m surrounded by f*kin’ corporatists.
I have to say my regard for her has increased over the years – I’ve heard her interviewed a few times, and she is smart, funny, and well informed.
They have enough votes to form a minority Gov’t … again !
Well Ian has posted some good news above. hopefully, you all have dodged a bullet
Because they got more seats than any of the other parties – that’s what can happen when you have a multi-party system.
Honi soit que mal y pense
Hence why LA will probably never have a pro football team again. Most folks are not willing to foot the bill esp if it isn’t an expansion team.
Without a doubt Kim is very smart … she got Bush41’s NeoCon friends to run her campaign into the ground, making fun of Chretien’s disability.
Of course, most Canadians were seriously peeved at Mulrooney, so she was swimming upstream the whole time …
Gotta tell you, I haven’t really followed baseball since the strike in…’94, I think…and I just haven’t paid a lick of attention, beyond what my brother has insisted on telling me. Just too many things competing for attention, and all of them more important than millionaires playing child’s game for the gratification of billionaires.
Still 13-4, btw.
Because the leader of the party with the most seats in the House of Commons (generally) becomes the Prime Minister and forms the government. In a minority government, since the party in power can’t pass legislation without help from the other parties, it’s harder to implement a platform.
Why? Why is Harper winning? Why?
Who ran against him?
I’d love if Ian was right that the NeoCons will fail next year but unless the Liberals get a new, dynamic leader, we’re looking at 2-3 years of Neocon rule.
I just here and what do I find but something About a CANADIAN ELECTION!!! Ya know I think they did just to one up us Amerikans and to show us how it should be done … this election thingy!! Its just not fair they can pull this off so quickly that we don’t know it is even happening until it is all over!! I mean they pull this off right ABOVE our noses and there are no fear bombs, character assassination’s or other suck shit, or maybe just maybe the MSM just doesn’t care and refuses to cover the Canadian Elections as their rating would get hurt…..
Mutt & Jeff … or as we call ‘em, Dion & Rae.
Damn. Gonna miss TDS…it’s not on the network in this hospital.
I absolutely agree, she’s a very capable person. She’s moved to France. My remark was meant as a joke.
If he’d stick to economic analysis, that’d be fine (although I might take issue with the issues), but when he weighs in on candidates and their policy positions (knowing, of course, that they have to win an election in the United States) that annoys me. He posted something earlier, for example, positing that Obama will win, and that he’s not liberal enough. Okay. Get a more liberal person elected IN CANADA even, not to mention the USA. For now, I’d appreciate his critique of 1) current administration economic policy, 2) McCain’s proposed economic policy, 3) Canadian economic policy, 4) what will happen in Canada if Canadians get a majority or plurality, and how their actions can help the global economic crisis? What does he think about Canada? Does he vote there? Who is he voting for anyway?
So they don’t have to form a coalition with some other party to have a governing majority? I know the stereotypical Canadian avoids controversy, but you’d think that the rest of them would get together and say, “Hey, wait a minute! There are more of us than there are of them!”
OT – watching Kerry on Maddow replay.
Senator Kerry will never run for President again. He has suddenly become succinct.
Who wudda thunk?
Fundamentally, Harper is winning because the three left(ish) parties split votes in many ridings.
In a minority government, since the party in power can’t pass legislation without help from the other parties, it’s harder to implement a platform.
blergh.
Just when I was starting to consider the idea of Parliamentary representation as maybe a good idea…
Can anyone imagine a Democratic President having to form a coalition with one or more of the repub factions?
Time to leap into my tree.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.
Namaste
Thanks! (just had pork chop, mashed potatoes and gravy!)
Well, your Dem Congress has been doing that for a while now …
It’s not quite that simple. Among other things one of those parties is the Bloc Quebecois, and no other party can get into a coalition with them because they’re separatists and therefore politically radioactive for everyone else.
boa noite SD. peaceful rest
Did you hear that Energy guy on MNF this morning? The world runs on ten terawatts of energy-projected to double in the next fifty years. To meet that would require opening a 10 megawatt power plant every day for the next thirty years…that kazillion new nuke plants may not be such an unreasonable estimate.
I am so sick of the warm fuzzy commercials for natural gas, “clean” coal…. and the drill baby drill crap……
Well, your Dem Congress has been doing that for a while now …
this is no time to be making a good point. *g*
So does that mean that we’re not allowed to comment or voice an opinion unless we have some intimate knowledge or direct connection to a topic?
Parties tend to create informal alliances over specific pieces of legislation. Lots of horse-trading.
Hospital?
LOL … L’Chaim !
Yo, wb …
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ari upstairs Did PBS bury controversial torture documentary under pressure from Bush administration?
Wow. Stewart’s dissection of John McCain’s “new” stump speech was a classic. If only we could expect such fact checking from, well, the news.
I am so sick of the warm fuzzy commercials for natural gas, “clean” coal…. and the drill baby drill crap……
brought to you by the good folks at The American Petroleum Institute – but I forget what they’re calling themselves on those commercials…
I researched it a while back.
I’d like to thank all those lefty *ssholes who voted against Paul Martin … they deserve to get ratf*cked by Harper’s NeoCons …
oops. I blame the tequila you gave me *g*
You’ve been on Ian’s case for quite a while. Why do you bother reading his posts if they annoy you so much?
L’Chaim, indeed. :-)
… I forget what they’re calling themselves on those commercials …
“We’re Richer Than God !
Pups, pups…
Do not feed. We know better.
Patty (my wife) had surgery today, (3rd in the last year), and I’m hovering close by, spending the night. She came through, no complications, and is softly snoring as I write this.
Excellent news, RonD !
Give her a peck on the cheek from your friends at FDL …
I’m sorry to hear that. Best wishes to the Mrs.
HOpe all is going well and that she recovers soon.
Thoughts with you.
I’m not feedin’. Personal attacks, and that is what this troll is doing, piss me off.
For RonD at 168
Non- spoiler alert: take a few
hundreddeep breaths before watching TDS … Ari Fleischer is the guest …(((the RonD’s)))
OK. Take care.
Thanks, you guys. Y’all are the best. I can’t imagine a bunch I’d rather hang with.
Aw, shucks, now ya went an’ made me blush.
… wait’ll he finds out we’re over at his place, thrashin’ the joint … *g*
ROFLMAO.
I read his posts because it bothers me that he has such a following among readers of a blog that I have long admired (for the most part). Maybe I should just ignore, but why not question? Why does Ian criticize someone who isn’t even in office yet (and is running in an extremely close election, vying for “swing” conservative voters) for an economic policy that is as yet inchoate – due to the fact that Obama has to, in essence, build a coalition before he is even in office, unlike the Canadians who can more easily do so after the fact? Why is it anathema to criticize him for his own premature criticism of the only alternative we, in the United States, realistically have?
I just called home and talked to DaughterD…if you guys do show up, she has instructions not to let you leave until the bottles are empty.
why do you think ian should be muzzled? because he is canadian? i thought not permitting others to speak due to their nationality was against the principles america was founded on.
do you disagree this vehemently with jane or christy or any of our other front pagers and think they should not be permitted to speak?
Well wishes for a speedy recovery for your wife
*sending positive healing thoughts to mrs rond*
*SPIT*
Isn’t that true…… I really have no idea who I would of survived last year without Elmore and FDL…..
The problem I have with your comments is that you don’t limit yourself to criticizing his stance on issues, you attack him personally because of his stances. This has been going on for a couple months at least and it’s the same thing each time. Xin loi, but see ya.
Again, thanks for all the kind wishes.
I’m going to duck out for a quick cigar before she wakes up. See everyone in a little bit.
(((RonD Best wishes for you and your wife)))
I know hows that is!!! again best to both of you!!
Newtonuser here?
I got sidetracked
What’s up?
ITS A MAC attack!! (:>))
Hi. :D the other day I came up to my puter (which is always on and logged into Second life because I get “money” to squat on someone’s land) and saw a strange notice/overlay saying “Please power down with power button” and a lot of other gobbldy gook
and I did it. now my nephew says it was probably a virus. and my kputer has been so much slower since I did this, so is that it?
anyway I found clamx and downloaded it – then scanned my desktop and found 2 virii. I had the clam x “quarrentine” those files in a folder on my desktop.
Now what ? will the virus go away if I put it in the trash and empty it?
thank you in advance for any help
I don’t think Ian should be muzzled. I think it’s okay to take him to task for the fact that his postings aren’t constructively solving the problems he professes to worry about. For example, in a previous post (which is lengthy and soon dead to anyone who might attempt to scrutinize his points seriatim), he states that Obama’s economic philosophy is just more Bush with a few humane grains of salt tossed to the masses. I don’t agree with this, and even if Ian’s take seems to be true from Obama’s campaign rhetoric (such as pay as you go, more money for defense, etc.), it doesn’t seem to me to help the cause of a progressive economic policy to nitpick at this point, considering that Obama has also said that he will look line item by line item at the budget to determine which programs need to be trimmed and which need to be enhanced. Obviously, one has to have some degree of faith that Obama is a progressive (which I do) and will make sensible decisions on these issues which have some hope of passing. After all, short of a revolution, all we can hope for is to elect the most progressive people in government that can possibly get there.
I don’t really have so much of a problem with Ian’s speaking in purely economic terms, but he rarely does this (in my opinion because he lacks the analytical ability to do so). Instead, he uses Obama’s campaign rhetoric as a foil to promote his own views – which, rhetorically is a much simpler way of presenting a viewpoint than would be starting from scratch.
Honestly, to answer the question “What should we do with the economy?” is much harder than saying “This is what I don’t like about Obama’s plan” or “this is what I don’t like about Ian’s plan”. I plead guilty to using Ian as a foil, but Ian is not running for president so it does progressives no harm for me to criticize Ian, but it does a great deal of harm for Ian to criticize Obama if, in fact, there are people who read this blog who might not vote for Obama believing that Obama = Reagan, or whatever false equivalence Ian was trying to make.
OH noezy a MAC with a VIRUS Oh my STARS …. Someone finally got around to writing bad thingys for the MAC OS…. Had to happen sooner or later Newt Welcomed to my WORLD NEWT… The MAC is just getting too popular for its own good… MAC is not a Niche PC anymore.
so i, as a front pager, should never write anything that disagrees with anything obama says? that sounds more like communist russia than america gloria
actually i think it was a PC virus “.exe”?
You can delete them. Most anti-virus software gives you the option to quarantine or delete them. If you know the file names you can delete them. I would then do a defrag of your hard drive. I strongly suggest you get something like Norton Internet Security. Check around. I would recommend you stay away from McAfee. Its updates are way too late. Windoze is highly vulnerable to viruses and they will turn your machine to mush.
Oh, damn, you’re using a Mac? Procedure should be the same, though. Mac’s usually aren’t targets for viruses. Hmmmmmm.
I don’t understand what you mean by “attack personally”. I wonder why Ian picks on Obama. Ian is (apparently, from what he says) a Canadian who doesn’t seem to want to blog about his own worrisome election. I am bugged by his posts (and don’t have any particular animosity towards him or his family or him personally or whether he loves his kids or whether he shaves or whatever) because I believe that at this time, progressives need to focus on what can and should be done to actually, realistically, solve problems. We in the U.S. have several things going on, including but not limited to: 1) an election, 2) two wars (at least), 3) an economic crisis beyond what we’ve seen for at least 30 years. The first issue, the election, is key to solving the second two issues and we only have two choices. It looks good for Democrats and progressives that the more intelligent and progressive of the two candidates seems to be ahead. But it’s close. And we’ve lost because of voting irregularities, October surprises, etc., before. Why nitpick the progressive? Answer me that, those who call me a troll.
We only use macs and I have never gotten a virus. hmmmm
first, you are not infected
second, ignore the commercial shit they pound you with
third, you can have a hundred, a thousand virii infected MS Word files on your Mac and never ever suffer a problem, but you can pass them on to unsuspecting Windows users. The poor dears…
sleep well. you are ok.
chs up a few flights
Could be, but then it never should have infected your MAC as the operating system is very different, could be it was modified to work under the MAC OS??
It would be the first I have heard off but….. They (hackers) will turn their talent to the MAC OS at some point, frankly I am surprised it hasn’t already happened just because of the difficulty of doing so!!
Thank you, but why is my firefox and safari now running excruciatingly slow? as well as having more probs with Second life that usual?
Oh, by the way, I never said that I don’t think Ian should speak. I am commenting (isn’t that what comments are for?) about what he says, and disapprove of the fact that he picks on Obama less than three weeks before the election when he’s apparently letting his own country slide into a conservative majority. I don’t want him to help our country get a conservative reelection, thank you very much.
AWWW SHIIT NEWT!! How ya doing this evening??
oh and what was that screen? It wasn’t commercial, I thought it was the mac os telling me I was having the equivalent of Kernel panic?
Ignore nahant :-)
And Firefox sucks eggs. There are NO CURRENT MAC VIRII.
I don’t recall ever hearing of a Mac being infected. Putting a Windoze virus on a Mac won’t do anything to the Mac.
(sits in the corner with folded hands. Sorry to interrupt a pie fight)
BTW, that kernel panic is usually a bad RAM module. NOT SOFTWARE.
I voted Green today. My Green candidate didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell to win – I live in the Whitby Oshawa riding represented by the current Finance Minister Flaherty – he is the second most powerful man in government. He took a little over 50% of the vote in our riding, so he’ll be going back to Ottawa.
Just a little something about our election process here. Having seen the way that American campaigns are run, I have to say that ours are far superior in their fairness and predictability. I seriously believe that you folks south of us need to adopt at least some of these common sense ideas to make your elections better and more responsive to the voting public.
1) Our elections are governed by Elections Canada, a non-partisan arm of the government whose sole purpose is to oversee elections. All voters in this country are registered when we get our SIN (SSN) and start paying taxes. There are no GOTV drives as they are unneccessary. As a result of this, there are no voter challenges at polling stations. Elections Canada sends a voter information card to every voter once an election is called telling them what they need to bring to a polling station, where they need to go, and what numbers to contact for further info.
There are no partisans in charge of counting ballots – the clear, easy to use paper ballots are counted by the poll workers and certified, and ultimately sent back to Elections Canada for verification. Diebold is not a player in our elections.
2) Public election financing takes out some of the corrosive effects that big money can have on politics and elections in general. Elections Canada gives the parties $75 for each vote earned in the previous election. My local Green candidate earned over 4500 votes in my riding, so that is a substantial amount of money going to his party. The Conservative incumbent garnered 27000 votes. What this means is good performance on the campaign trail is rewarded with votes, and the more votes you receive, the more money the party earns to spend on the next campaign. This means that candidates have to be more responsive to local voter concerns, and takes a lot of fundraising with big money out of the equation.
3) Our election cycles are not nearly as long as yours. The last 5 federal elections that I can remember started and were wrapped up within 6 – 7 weeks. This has several advantages as it reduces the amount of money a campaign needs to earn to sustain itself. It also reduces voter election fatigue, which we’re all feeling right now with the long slog to the white house. The other thing is it forces incumbents to govern more and campaign less (just look at how much time in the Senate Obama and McShame have missed).
Anyways, these are just a few of my thoughts on our election night.
What browser do you use?
so, can you tell me if the “text on the screen that tells me to power down the iMac with my power button” message is something you’ve seen before? Does a mac have that type of error messaging? I’ve never seen it before, so it really surprised me and I powered down before I knew what I was really doing.
Are you serious about RB ?
Yes, familiar with it. It is most common in machines with a bad RAM module. Can also happen in machines with a spotty power supply, and very rarely indicates a logic board problem.
Hey newt, are ya happy with the new Macs or is there something better coming in Jan. ?
I am pissed as Hell – no FireWire port on the new MacBook.
Really pissed.
Not even 400 ? What’re they thinking ?
sorry, for your (firewire port) loss, Newt.
Can I replace the bad RAM module myself? Should I rush my iMac to the doctor?
As I said, I was giving you a rough idea of the problem.
Do not rely on a web-based diagnosis this brief.
We’ll talk later.
Most of us write here because we care and hope to help facilitate change for the betterment of all.
A few don’t have that motivation.
When I encountered the ‘problem’..I asked ‘problem’ to look up the definition of a concern troll. Just my opinion. It worked for a month, or so.
Harper’s Conservatives set the agenda and tone for this election.
Big winner – Jack Layton.
Bog loser – Stephane Dion.
Interesting potential threads –
Did NDP win a seat in Quebec?
NDP won a seat in Nfld/Lab (huge majority).
What the hell happened in Ontario? Should we interpret the results to mean Ontario wants a Conservative majority?
Whither the Greens? Is Peter MacKay vulnerable in Central Nova?
Did Green party leader Elizabeth May reach her internal goals?
Thank God Harper’s arrogance had problems being hidden behind saccharine throughout the campaign.
I make it a general rule not to respond to people who stalk me from thread to thread, so this will likely be my only reply to you.
1) I don’t write about Swiss politics. I do write about US politics. I’m sure you can figure out the difference but I’ll give you a hint – Swiss don’t go outside their borders and kill lots of people for no good reason, nor do they do the financial and economic equivalents.
2) The odds of my effecting Obama’s vote total by enough to even be noticeable are, for all intents and purposes, zero. It is very flattering that you think I have so much influence, however.
2b) Corollary: nothing I write is going to cost Obama the election.
3) My first and most important duty is to tell my readers what I think is the truth about the things I write about. Everything else is secondary to that duty, of maintaining faith. I may choose not to write about something, but if I do write about something (and as FDL’s main economic writer I think I really should write about the probable President’s economic policies) my job is to tell people what my best judgement indicates is the truth.
4) People are, of course, free to disagree with me. Last time I checked, no one is either required to read or to agree with a single thing I say. Nor, frankly, other than a few friends, do I care whether any particular person reads me.
5) There are plenty of people in the blogosphere who will tell you that Obama is wonderful and that he is going to fix everything. If you prefer to read that, no one is forcing you to read my posts.
6) if the only criticism Obama or his policies receive is from the right, he will move right, not left. Even if he was FDR reborn, it would be useful to him to have people criticizing him from the left.
7) The level of my rhetoric has been extremely, and deliberately, mild, with regards to Obama. This complaining is like someone having a fainting fit over violence in a PG film.
Suburbs went hard Conservative in Ontario. I interpret it as “pain hasn’t really hit yet and they think some more tax cuts will fix things up”. OTOH, they lost Northern Ontario, which was very interesting.
I’m with you on your final conclusions Ian, especially given that Mr. Harper had all the momentum and all the money, not to mention that he got to rule while Canuckistan was still riding high…..Lots of North of 49th Bloggodome chatter about how the separatist “Bloc” saved Canada by taking Quebec away from the Cons…..Me, I figure it was actually the ‘Phoque’…..
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Thomas Mulcair held his seat in Outremont (where he was elected as a dipper in a by-election last year). And yes, there’s the Nfld seat, and even more amazing, Linda Duncan in Edmonton Strathcona — she knocked off Rahim Jaffer.
MacKay was returned in Central Nova; I’m betting that May is finished, but that may be wishful thinking on my part.
I had to comment on this (Ian will know why):
It’s so true; everyone up here is saying it’s all Ian’s fault. LOL.
I couldn’t agree more. I don’t always agree with Ian, I don’t always understand Ian, I occasionally think Ian is too harsh on Obama, but in general, I listen closely to what Ian has to say, because his opinions aren’t party pap, they are based on analysis.
Ian, thanks for your generous reply. I read blogs in order to get insight that I don’t get in the major newspapers. A couple of years ago, FDL was my first stop because the posts almost always conveyed a new take on things, including information that was hard to ferret out elsewhere. TobyWollin’s post on Eliot Spitzer is a recent example of why I used to favor FDL above all blogs. It’s a post I sent to everyone.
I don’t usually comment on articles I agree with, especially when there’s already a chorus of admirers already doing so, unless I have something to add. To me, it’s not a discussion just to cheer someone on. Most of the commenters to your posts seem to take your opinion as the last word on economic issues. I didn’t find your posts as enlightening as some others did (that’s not meant as an insult) so I basically skimmed them and moved on until a week ago or so when you posted something extremely negative about Obama. I commented there, and have continued to comment, because at this particular time, right before this close election, I am fighting. Yes, fighting for Obama’s win. I well understand that the United States leadership has been atrocious, causing devastating consequences throughout the world. What’s the reason for that? It’s because the reasonable, progressive people in this country could not come together, even for a couple of months, to elect the alternative. It’s time to do that this election.
You say that it’s your responsibility to “tell the truth”, but I think you make the kind of false equivalencies (for example, of Obama to Reagan in your last post) that cause people not to vote. It’s my responsibility to question you, and even to wonder what’s behind your interest in making those statements. You may think Obama’s success is a given, but the people walking down streets in the red states, knocking on twelve houses in order to get one possible vote for Obama – it’s difficult for us to fathom why you (however powerless you feel you are) might want to jeopardize his fragile position, or discourage even one potential voter from showing up at the polls. That’s pretty much all I’m saying, except for the fact that I find it ironic that if you think you’re not even influencing anything by your blog posting, why you don’t focus your efforts more effectively (and appropriately) enlightening your own countrymen in such a way that they vote for more progressive government in Canada.
You say that “no one is either required to read or to agree with a single thing I say”. That’s true, but when you write publicly in a forum with a comment section, shouldn’t you expect that some people who disagree with you will read you and take you to task? I don’t expect you to reply to this, but I will continue to question why progressives want to mount spurious (in my opinion) attacks on various policies that Obama has merely outlined in an effort to get elected by (and lead) a fairly conservative population.
Congratulations to Linda Duncan, congratulations to Albertans! Is Linda Duncan the new Landslide Linda?
That’s not at all what Gloria said, and you know it.
I came to this thread yesterday to discuss this canadian election. After a while, and a few pleasant, informative post, Gloria came in to troll a canadian thread, because of a canadian commenter. I left before I had my say on Gloria’s conduct.
Trolling, xenophobia(read between the lines), stalking… Yup, it’s almost like Alaska! Get it???
The most amazing thing I heard about the Canadian election last night was that it lasted only 37 days. Wouldn’t that be nice in the US?
I’d be more inclined to think that the Marxist-Lenin party would be analogous to the Socialist Workers Party in the US, more along the lines of Trotsky than Mao. The Communist Party would be more of a command-oriented party with strict dogmatic lines that aren’t amenable to changing situations, just like the CP-USA was strict Stalinist with no deviation which was its downfall.
Here’s a nice summary (rant) from Canadian Cynic entitled “Morning after the Blight Before”
Here’s the deal Canadian politicians, you are all on notice. Fat Steve you and your gang do not have the confidence of Canadians. After two solid years of negative ads, belittling Dion, you could not win a majority. Why? Because we do not trust you with one. And let the sky bully save you if you think you can pull another snap election out of your ass. The record low turn out last night speaks to the general sense of contempt that our politicians have come to deserve in the last few years. Stephane Dion and the Liberals, you made Jason Cherniak cry. I hope you’re happy. Listen up you determined losers, Bob Rae and Iggy are not, I repeat, not the future. They are oblivion. The Liberal task is now to remake the party from the bottom up. If you sad sack dinks ever hope to return to power you have to figure out how to run a campaign and deliver a leader with a team that Canadians see as a viable alternative to the Cons. You are a pack of passive goofs. Stephen Harper is the fat kid who pushed you around at recess.
Happy Jack Layton, go f**k off now. You picked up a few seats but for all of the polling and all of the hand me down Obamaisms, you still suck. Your big push to become Canada’s official second place party failed. Time to drift into the oblivion you so richly deserve, perhaps a furniture store like ol’ Mel Lastman. If the NDP wants to have a future shot, look deep into your hearts and put Charlie Angus at the front of the line. There’s a guy who has the balls to square off with the Conservative pig people, who understands the issues of a changing social and technological dynamic. There is a guy who could actually move you up in the standings and give you a shot at power. No surprise there.
M Duceppe, thank you. You were the stop gap and the ethical voice this country needed in the campaign. Please extend the mandate of the Bloc to the rest of the country. I’d have voted for you in the blink of an eye had the option been there. The Bloc had the most appealing platform, the most stalwart leadership and a kick ass, original theme song. Congratulations to you and your team, the only party in this election to deserve congratulations.
From all I heard, the NDP ran a fantastic campaign out there, but no, I think it appeared very close for much of the evening. Still, it makes sense in that riding, which is U of A land.
No — the CPC-ML is Maoist, or had Maoist roots way back when. There are a couple of Trotskyist groupings — in my day, they were the IS (International Socialists) plus others, but the names change. The CPC is indeed heir to the old Stalinist tradition.
I love CC. There are some wonderful lines in there, as always.
And yes: the Bloc Québécois saved Canada! Why can’t we all vote for them? Let’s secede and join Quebec.
Oh, Mr Why — suddenly I got the joke. God, I am slow sometimes.
This was a reference to Anne McLellan, aka Landslide Annie. McLellan was a Liberal, elected several times in the adjacent riding of Edmonton Centre. She lost to PC Laurie Hawn in the 2006 election.