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Early Morning Swim

By: Blue Texan Monday October 13, 2008 4:46 am

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  • Obama opens up 10-pt. lead in WaPost/ABC poll.
  • And he had a record fundraising month in September.
  • Is his lead insurmountable?
  • Meanwhile, the unpopular Sarah Palin keeps lying about stuff.
  • And McSame keeps saying stupid stuff.
  • And the McSame campaign keeps smearing Obama.
  • Bush beats Nixon’s record for lowest approval rating.
  • Wow — Bill O’ is really gonna hate this.
  • McSame in NC; Palin in VA; Obama in OH; Biden in NH.

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wigwam October 13th, 2008 at 4:47 am
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EPUd: Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight.com) projects Obama winning with:
– 94.1% likelihood
– 350.5 to 187.5 electoral vote split
– 52% to 46.6% popular vote split

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wigwam October 13th, 2008 at 4:50 am
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I’ve been unimpressed by the Nobel Prize in Economics ever since they gave it to Milton Friedman.

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sangemon October 13th, 2008 at 4:54 am
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EPU’d (to perris):

Yes, but since she was picked she has been in the hands of the Bushies.

And who do you think picked her in the first place?

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billybugs October 13th, 2008 at 4:58 am
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G’morning BT

I beleive I just heard the dimensionally challenged lady clear her throat!

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:03 am
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Namaste, BT, pups

I watched the Rick Davis clip last night. What a jerk. He asks Axelrod not to interrupt him then proceeds to shout over Axelrod when Axelrod brings up valid points and asks Davis a question. Just another asshole.

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:05 am
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In response to wigwam @ 2

The Chicago School will now throw Friedman’s economic theories under the bus and start to follow Krugman. Not.

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sangemon October 13th, 2008 at 5:06 am
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Rick Davis, on Morning Joe, just referred to McCain and OPalinas:

“John aad Sarah McCain”.

Swear to Gawd.

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bonkers October 13th, 2008 at 5:08 am
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Left this downstairs but wanna see if anyone else noticed this…

Had a rare occasion to watch some of the Sunday shows yesterday and it was shocking to me. Although I was being distracted quite a bit from them, the only anchor I noticed bring up Palin’s law breaking while in office was Chris Matthews on Pox Newz. Of course, it was a set-up to let Rick Davis say something like, “Nothing story and you should stop talking about it.”

So a Republican dominated panel is responsible for releasing a report that finds Palin “unlawfully violated ethics code” while Governor, and Brokaw, Schieffer and Snufalupagus don’t think that bringing up less than 48 hours after the report is released??!!? This person was a complete unknown just a month or so ago and could be one heartbeat from the Presidency in an era where America and the world are in extremely dangerous positions. Plenty of William Ayers talk all around even though that’s been debated ad nauseum for weeks and was discussed a lot in the primaries.

This is obviously an intentional effort by BigMedia mavens to provide cover for the Repub ticket. Considering what a joke the Drilla from Wasilla is and the precarious nature of America right now, I consider these Newzholes to be accomplices in treasonous acts. How do you not even mention this story?!? Imagine if Joe Biden was found by a bunch of Democrats to have “violated the public trust.”

It’s obvious that BigMedia will go to extremes to help keep the race winnable for Repubs, both at the top of the ticket and all the Congressional races.

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i4u2bi October 13th, 2008 at 5:09 am
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In response to wigwam @ 2

Yes so agree..the genius that wanted the US economy to look like Singapore. What a smart guy.

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sangemon October 13th, 2008 at 5:10 am
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In response to bonkers @ 8

Well, yeah.

and that’s funny. My Bride calls him Snuffaluffagus too! :))

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Peterr October 13th, 2008 at 5:11 am
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In response to wigwam @ 2

Maybe they’re trying to repent.

Cue the exploding rightwing heads in three, two, one . . .

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yellowdogD October 13th, 2008 at 5:12 am
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Billo’s head just exploded.
The radical left wing secular progressive bomb throwing economist Paul Krugman wins the Nobel Prize in Economics.
R.I.P., Billo’s head.

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Elliott October 13th, 2008 at 5:12 am
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In response to bonkers @ 8

sound like an Oxdown diary to me.

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cbl October 13th, 2008 at 5:12 am
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Good Morning Blue Texan and Firedogs,

wonderful news, Congratulations Professor Krugman!

perris - your Q from downstairs:

Reagan – 1984 – total 525 electoral college votes

Roosevelt – 1936 – total 523 electoral college votes

Nixon – 1972 – 520 – total electoral college votes

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:13 am
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The update on Tapper’s piece is a laugher. Palin/McSFB spox interprets the panel’s report for those who want to believe Palin can do no wrong. These guys have learned just about everything the Shrub regime can teach them. Lie, cheat, steal. How hard can it be?

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Elliott October 13th, 2008 at 5:13 am
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In response to yellowdogD @ 12

Billo’s head just exploded.
The radical left wing secular progressive bomb throwing economist Paul Krugman wins the Nobel Prize in Economics.
R.I.P., Billo’s head.

Yes, R.I.P.
Rest In Pieces.

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Prairie Sunshine October 13th, 2008 at 5:14 am
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Good morning good news!

We are Battleground North Dakota!!!!!! Obama up 45-43. More details in my new diary.

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Elliott October 13th, 2008 at 5:14 am
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Yes, W00T Krugman!!1!

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daemon October 13th, 2008 at 5:15 am
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Hi folks.

That NC visit by McMonger includes my new hometown:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/…..45_minutes
http://www.starnewsonline.com/…../810130301

[I used to hang around the Lake quite a bit; but right around the time Marcy’s fingers were flying over the keyboard for the Libby trial, I’ve only been able to lurk abit…

Cheers!

aka Blank Kludge]

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Elliott October 13th, 2008 at 5:16 am
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In response to daemon @ 19

Hey Hi!

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solai October 13th, 2008 at 5:16 am
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Had a rare occasion to watch some of the Sunday shows yesterday and it was shocking to me. Although I was being distracted quite a bit from them, the only anchor I noticed bring up Palin’s law breaking while in office was Chris Matthews Wallace on Pox Newz. Of course, it was a set-up to let Rick Davis say something like, “Nothing story and you should stop talking about it.”

Fixed your typo, but you’re right. Isn’t that amazing?

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bonkers October 13th, 2008 at 5:17 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 5

I’ve seen Axelrod a few times now and he lets himself get into shouting matches too much.

This was obviously a pre-planned strategy by Ricky Ticky Schlock, and Axelrod could’ve very easily reflected the Obama campaign, and simply waited for Davis to stop ranting and saying, “Wow. Look at the anger in Rick. Like his candidate, he’s completely erratic and nonsensical. Your viewers can decide if these are the kind of people you want leading America in a time of crisis.” …or something to this effect.

Instead, Axelrod seems just like the rest of them and viewers can say, “See, they all suck.” He’s a leader in one of the best campaigns that probably ever been run, but Axelrod isn’t a great spokesman by any means.

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boogiecheck October 13th, 2008 at 5:18 am
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In response to wigwam @ 2

Caught an interview with him and Brian Lamb the other day. He admitted to being a Libertarian in political beliefs.

It was mindboggling to listen to him, because as he talked about less government in one sentence, he then advocated more government in another. He hated the welfare system…but failed to mention corporate welfare, which was in full swing by the time of the interview (1996).

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RevBev October 13th, 2008 at 5:19 am
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Today Show covering Trooper Gate…”violated ethics….”

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yellowdogD October 13th, 2008 at 5:20 am
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Just heard an interesting tidbit on Morning Joe.
The Repugs haven’t won a presidency without a Nixon or a Bush on the ticket since 1928.
So there’s our solution. There are no Nixons left, we just need to keep Bushes tamped down forever.

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:20 am
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In response to bonkers @ 22

I noticed that. I sure wasn’t impressed. Doesn’t do any good to play the shouting game with these people, they’re too good at it.

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Peterr October 13th, 2008 at 5:20 am
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Krugman’s thoughts today (obviously written before the announcement) on how the British are reacting properly to the credit crisis while Paulson is not are not going to win him any friends at Treasury — at least in the higher reaches of the department.

It’s hard to avoid the sense that Mr. Paulson’s initial response was distorted by ideology. Remember, he works for an administration whose philosophy of government can be summed up as “private good, public bad,” which must have made it hard to face up to the need for partial government ownership of the financial sector.

I also wonder how much the Femafication of government under President Bush contributed to Mr. Paulson’s fumble. All across the executive branch, knowledgeable professionals have been driven out; there may not have been anyone left at Treasury with the stature and background to tell Mr. Paulson that he wasn’t making sense.

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daemon October 13th, 2008 at 5:22 am
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Hi and waves to all…

Today will be around 80 degrees and clear blue skies. And no worries about the price of heating oil. Very different than Western MA.

I hope we can get NC Blue vote as well as blue skies!

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bonkers October 13th, 2008 at 5:22 am
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In response to Elliott @ 13

Don’t even know where to start with the Oxdown thingamajigy. I keep assuming I wouldn’t have time for it. Is it easy to set up?

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bonkers October 13th, 2008 at 5:24 am
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In response to RevBev @ 24

It’s a sad day when Al Roker is more of a journalist than Tom Brokaw.

Of course at the same time, it’s a happy day to see the deceivers, like Brokow, finally getting exposed for the BigMoney shills that they are. Finally!

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boogiecheck October 13th, 2008 at 5:24 am
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Re: Palin–

I was really upset when some were going after her pregnant daughter, because I think it’s wrong. The daughter isn’t running for office.

And then Palin uses her youngest daughter at the hockey game to quell the boos. What a disgusting display of selfishness and utter lack of maturity in accepting the lumps of her own campaign.

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
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In response to boogiecheck @ 31

Daughter: Mommy, why are these people booing?

Palin: Because they don’t like you.

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foothillsmike October 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
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Good morning all, Slightly off topic but in Sunday’s Denver Post was a note to the editor that I found hilarious – the lady noted that McShame frequently asserts that he has not been elected miss congeniality and Palin identifies with joe sixpack – She thought they need to solve their gender identity issues in private.

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bonkers October 13th, 2008 at 5:26 am
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In response to solai @ 21

Well, they’re mostly interchangable. Thanks though, that is what I meant!

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:27 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 33

LOL – right arm!

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boogiecheck October 13th, 2008 at 5:28 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 32

You know, SD, I can just see Palin telling her daughter that…

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JPL9 October 13th, 2008 at 5:28 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 33

lol, that is great!

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:29 am
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In response to boogiecheck @ 36

Me too.

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Elliott October 13th, 2008 at 5:29 am
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In response to bonkers @ 29

As a matter of fact it is easy

from ES

Whoops.. I wanted to add two helpful links of a couple diary’s past….

1) How to post images in your diary

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/482

2) Formatting oxdown posts
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/441

Also.. when composing your post title… please remember DIgg only allows 60 Spaces in their title bar. So folks will either have to edit your title or unknowingly chop it off if your original title is longer than 60 spaces.

I don’t know the exact number of spaces available in a DIgg summary.. but if your first couple of lines are not very informative and enticing… you are not helping yourself.

which was in response to
Oxdown: some initial reactions

About Oxdown Gazette

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prostratedragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:30 am
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In response to Peterr @ 11

They oscillate. Some are given for work that had some value in solving a big policy problem or developing methods to make statistical work more tractable maybe, more defensible maybe. This one, and quite a few of the other recent ones I think, are for really stretching the boundaries. Somewhere on there are maybe a some that I wouldn’t have given, but I ain’t saying which.

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JPL9 October 13th, 2008 at 5:30 am
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In response to boogiecheck @ 31

When the Palin family paraded Palin’s daughters boyfriend on stage, they opened themselves to criticism, IMO.

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boogiecheck October 13th, 2008 at 5:32 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 38

Have a good day, SD. Or maybe I should say have an “interesting” day.

Namaste

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fuzed October 13th, 2008 at 5:33 am
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Rick, still bringing the POW to the campaign. Oh, my candidate was in Viet prison during race problems.

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:35 am
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In response to boogiecheck @ 42

They’re all good, some are just better than others. *g*

Namaste

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Peterr October 13th, 2008 at 5:37 am
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In response to prostratedragon @ 40

Yep.

I was a math and econ major as an undergrad, and a fair number of those names and their work are more than a little familiar.

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mui1 October 13th, 2008 at 5:38 am
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Another thing Brillo would hate:
The great state of CT (OKay it’s actually small) has gay marriage as of Friday.

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solai October 13th, 2008 at 5:38 am
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Did anyone see a report on Hannity’s latest hatchet job? Was supposed to air last night.

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billybugs October 13th, 2008 at 5:40 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 44

“Namaste”

I’m ignorant what does this mean?

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mui1 October 13th, 2008 at 5:41 am
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Gay marraige CT.

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billybugs October 13th, 2008 at 5:42 am
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In response to solai @ 47

I’m waiting on this too!

I’m sure Hannity’s report was a fair and balanced reporting of the facts!!….NOT

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prostratedragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:42 am
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In response to Peterr @ 45

I was a math and econ major as an undergrad

Ah. And cleric now? I see you learned well!)

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:43 am
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In response to solai @ 47

What, did he bring AIPAC on his show to prove he’s not anti-Semitic?

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Waccamaw October 13th, 2008 at 5:43 am
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In response to daemon @ 19

You’re living in Wilmington now????

An hour away……..meet-up????

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:44 am
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In response to billybugs @ 48

Namaste

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:47 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 54

With Buddhists it also means, “I recognize that god is within you.”

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billybugs October 13th, 2008 at 5:51 am
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Thanks SD, interesting, I’ll remember it.

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SouthernDragon October 13th, 2008 at 5:53 am
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Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

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Elliott October 13th, 2008 at 5:54 am
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In response to SouthernDragon @ 57

Namaste

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cbl October 13th, 2008 at 5:57 am
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In response to daemon @ 19

good to see you!

buh-bye Liddy – and bye-bye Shuler in 2 more years !

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JPL9 October 13th, 2008 at 5:59 am
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In response to solai @ 47

Guess not! I was hoping that somebody would watch it but it’s obvious that we all have better things to do besides listening to Hannity’s hate filled rants.

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daemon October 13th, 2008 at 6:48 am
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In response to Waccamaw @ 53

waccamaw

That sounds like a plan!
Let’s catch up on some later thread I guess.

gotta go just now.

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RevBev October 13th, 2008 at 6:59 am
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Yeah, I guess I would hope no one was watching it…but, I know. He had been carrying on for weeks about it on his radio spots.

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josandpol October 13th, 2008 at 7:51 am
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I am a corporate executive who have taken the Kouzes & Posner Leadership Practices training years ago. I recently used the K & P codes to compare Obama and McCain. The former beats the latter handily in all leadership practices:

1. Challenging the process – leaders thrive on and learn from adversity and difficult situations. They are risk takers who regard failure as a useful chance to learn and innovate. They are also early adopters of innovation. They seek out things that appear to work and then insist that they are improved. They challenge 24/7!

Obama challenged the process, not just by being colored (in itself is already big challenge) but also in the way he funded his campaign using contributions from the grassroots that broadened his support base. Both candidates used the internet, but Obama’s website had more personal messages while McCain’s website posted mostly press releases which you can also read in the newspapers.

2. Inspiring a shared vision – people are motivated most not by fear or reward, but by ideas that capture their imagination. This is not so much about having a vision, but communicating it effectively so that others take it on board. Great leaders are future orientated and seek to energise others by passion, enthusiasm and emotion. They want to bring people on board with this sense of shared purpose.

Obama’s campaign was about CHANGE and painted McCain as an extension of Bush (McSame). McCain unsuccessfully tried to hijack the CHANGE vision by presenting himself as a maverick but the Democrats were able to paint McCain as a (Bush) sidekick, not a maverick.

McCain is using fear to discredit Obama (Muslim, association with terrorists, novice to foreign policy, etc). McCain has no vision to inspire; he is just using the fear of the unknown. This recession, associated to the inept fiscal policy of Bush, is working to Obama’s advantage (again, the CHANGE vision).

3. Enabling others to act – leaders don’t seek to achieve it all themselves – they achieve results through others. People must feel able to act and then must be supported to put their ideas into action. Collaboration and relationship-based work is central to success. As a leader you will need to:

• Foster collaboration by promoting co-operative goals and building trust
• Strengthen others by sharing information and power and by increasing their discretion and visibility

Both Obama and McCain, being politicians, should have scored evenly here. Surprisingly, McCain also shot himself in the foot by picking Sarah Palin who Salman Rushdie described as ‘a joke’

With the blunders Palin committed during press interviews, her dismal performance in her debate with Biden, the findings on her abuse of power and her overall incompetence to be a VP and a heart beat away from the Presidency, the GOP are forced to quarantine her from doing more damage.

Team Obama, on the other hand, is all revved up, from Biden, the Clintons, and the entire Obama campaign team.

4. Modelling the way – means being prepared to go first, living the behaviors you want others to adopt before asking them to adopt them. People will believe not what they hear leaders say, but what they see their leaders consistently do. Great leaders should serve as an example to others.

Again, the choice of Sarah Palin (abuse of power) points to poor judgment on McCain. His image of wealth (it was reported McCain did not know how many houses he owns), while this should not be taken against him, is unfortunately cannon fodder during this recessionary times when people are losing their jobs, homes, etc. That McCain is associated with Bush who is himself associated with oil interests and oil prices that surged gives the perception that McCain does not model the way.

Obama voted against the Iraq war (now another unpopular issue). He belongs to a racial minority perceived to have gone through poverty (not entirely true for Obama) and through hard work had achieved the American dream. Obama appears “more true to his values” and therefore is more perceived to be modelling the way.

5. Encouraging the heart – people act best of all when they are passionate about what they’re doing. Leaders unleash the enthusiasm of their followers with stories and passions of their own. They enjoy celebrating successes – even small ones – and will tend to tackle difficult projects through recognizing others’ contributions. They:
Recognize individual contributions to the success of every project
Celebrate team accomplishments regularly

Team Obama had been on a winning streak since the Democrats candidates search. They have been encouraging each others’ hearts.

McCain’s team is under pressure to rally. After two debates where the polls showed Obama winning and again due to the Palin factor, I would hazard an assumption that there is much latent blame assigning today in Team McCain.

Whether or not Obama is the true leader as he presents himself to be is beside the point. Perception is reality and right now, Obama is the better leader as perceived.

My personal take in choosing Obama is very simple. The eight years of George W. Bush was a complete disaster. I believe that McCain will continue his policies. The probability of change is zero under a McCain presidency.

There is no certainty that Obama will do better, but if he does what he promises to do based on his campaign platform, the probability is much higher than zero that things will improve dramatically.

Insanity is defined as repetitively doing the same thing and expecting a different result. I must be insane if I pick McCain. I don’t think I an insane. Unfortunately, my vote does not count because I am not a US citizen.

Hopefully, the American voters are not insane too and will vote for Obama.

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