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	<title>Comments on: Provisional Ballots, the New &#8220;Hanging Chad&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: vieravisionary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677563</link>
		<dc:creator>vieravisionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your point of view.  I believe that it makes sense and the issues associated with this option may cause some additional concerns but it just might bring the issue to the forefront.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, it is hard to find “good help” these days.  That seems par for the course.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your point of view.  I believe that it makes sense and the issues associated with this option may cause some additional concerns but it just might bring the issue to the forefront.</p>
<p>Also, it is hard to find “good help” these days.  That seems par for the course.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677562</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you want to be an election monitor in NYS go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.NYDLC.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.NYDLC.com&lt;/a&gt; and sign up&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to be an election monitor in NYS go to <a href="http://www.NYDLC.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NYDLC.com</a> and sign up</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677561</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It didn’t take a judge. The Bi partisan NYS Board of Elections has already ordered that a second wave of correctly printed ballots be amiled to the voters who got the Osama ballots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only reamining problem will be if the voter returns the wrong one in confusion or attemtps to cross out “Osama” and write in “obama” which invalidates the ballot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It didn’t take a judge. The Bi partisan NYS Board of Elections has already ordered that a second wave of correctly printed ballots be amiled to the voters who got the Osama ballots.</p>
<p>The only reamining problem will be if the voter returns the wrong one in confusion or attemtps to cross out “Osama” and write in “obama” which invalidates the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;barely OT, I trust all have seen footage of the doofus who introduced Biden as McCain yesterday.  The goofball claims he got mixed up after seeing the wrong name shortly before. yeah.  right. and….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Biden smoothly carried on with nary a glimmer of visible reaction, and claims not to have noticed - the ultimate put-down, because after the intro., Biden emphasized in rather gushy fashion, his appreciation of the [exceptionally eloquent] introduction.  Biden’s quick.  I think he heard, all right, but did his best to make it disappear.  Can’t they vet these local dingdongs better so this sorta stuff doesn’t happen?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;REALLY OT: Does anyone else see a budding Peyton Place or Springer-smashup possibility looming with the 2-3/odds on R candydate couples?  I could have sworn Cindy and Sarah inserted a different brand of competition in the Strongsville mashup, vie-ing for Johnbuoy’s favor, mreorrrrr!  - or maybe a reeely reely bad sit-com, if the future of the country and the world only weren’t at stake.  Our face to the world.  Destroy the economic system world-wide, break all the toys, turn everything toxic, and all they can think of is hair-pulling contests.  oh groan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barely OT, I trust all have seen footage of the doofus who introduced Biden as McCain yesterday.  The goofball claims he got mixed up after seeing the wrong name shortly before. yeah.  right. and….</p>
<p>Biden smoothly carried on with nary a glimmer of visible reaction, and claims not to have noticed &#8211; the ultimate put-down, because after the intro., Biden emphasized in rather gushy fashion, his appreciation of the [exceptionally eloquent] introduction.  Biden’s quick.  I think he heard, all right, but did his best to make it disappear.  Can’t they vet these local dingdongs better so this sorta stuff doesn’t happen?</p>
<p>REALLY OT: Does anyone else see a budding Peyton Place or Springer-smashup possibility looming with the 2-3/odds on R candydate couples?  I could have sworn Cindy and Sarah inserted a different brand of competition in the Strongsville mashup, vie-ing for Johnbuoy’s favor, mreorrrrr!  &#8211; or maybe a reeely reely bad sit-com, if the future of the country and the world only weren’t at stake.  Our face to the world.  Destroy the economic system world-wide, break all the toys, turn everything toxic, and all they can think of is hair-pulling contests.  oh groan.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677546</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks LHP.&lt;br /&gt;
I worked as a polling monitor for the NYS Democrats in 2006 and was amazed at how ill-informed many of the workers were. People were being asked for ID by the local GOP grand dame until I pointed out that this was not required. The local GOP candidates and their cronies were used to camping out in the senior citizen’s center where one of the polling places was located and I had to go there and ask to see their poll watcher credentials. Apparently no one had ever challenged them before.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last election I was a registered independent and was requested by the BoE to serve as an inspector since they didn’t have enough people. The Republican rep I was teamed with tried turning people away (there was a hotly contested contest betw Sue Kelly and John Hall which Hall won) when she couldn’t get the machine to work and then she tried to foist a provisional ballot on one guy who just laughed at her. She had forgotten to turn the lever which activates the machine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the end of the night we had thirteen provisional ballots and she was refusing to count them with the excuse, “But we don’t know what party they belong to.” I asked her what relevance that had to do with someone voting and she just blurted out that Kelly might lose. I then wondered how many other times this woman had cowed other people into accepting her opinion of how votes should be counted in the past.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m really gonna be sad to see the lever machines go here in NY.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks LHP.<br />
I worked as a polling monitor for the NYS Democrats in 2006 and was amazed at how ill-informed many of the workers were. People were being asked for ID by the local GOP grand dame until I pointed out that this was not required. The local GOP candidates and their cronies were used to camping out in the senior citizen’s center where one of the polling places was located and I had to go there and ask to see their poll watcher credentials. Apparently no one had ever challenged them before.</p>
<p>Last election I was a registered independent and was requested by the BoE to serve as an inspector since they didn’t have enough people. The Republican rep I was teamed with tried turning people away (there was a hotly contested contest betw Sue Kelly and John Hall which Hall won) when she couldn’t get the machine to work and then she tried to foist a provisional ballot on one guy who just laughed at her. She had forgotten to turn the lever which activates the machine.</p>
<p>At the end of the night we had thirteen provisional ballots and she was refusing to count them with the excuse, “But we don’t know what party they belong to.” I asked her what relevance that had to do with someone voting and she just blurted out that Kelly might lose. I then wondered how many other times this woman had cowed other people into accepting her opinion of how votes should be counted in the past.</p>
<p>I’m really gonna be sad to see the lever machines go here in NY.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677533</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IANAL, not by a long shot.  But I am stubborn and prone to turning anger into avoiding obstacles rather than banging heads like Sarah’s gang of thugs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I try, with mixed success, to think harder than the opposition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of this was borne a perhaps silly and unworkable idea but, with your indulgence, I will throw it out for comment, if warranted.  If not, just ignore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a case such as that of the misprinted NY ballots, would it be possible that a judge at some level, or some other official, could make a ruling allowing a one-for-one cure for the mistake.  Any person possessing a ballot with their own name on the official mailing envelope, might be given the right to turn in the misprinted one, and be issued a new, correctly printed one.  They might be required to sign an affidavit doohinkie and present photo i.d. to do it but, if they could, they would be allowed to submit the new ballot to be counted if they surrendered their erroneous old one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know, bad idea.  Absentee means the many of these people expect NOT to be present and available to vote in person on Election Day, so how do you reach them, yadda yadda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But does this half-baked scheme idea prompt some sharper mind to come up with anything?  anything at all?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m getting extremely peeved at this disenfranchisement of voters shtick rearing its ugly head over and over and over!  Dang!  HOW do we get these &amp;*@#s to understand once and for all that we’re fed up with this nonsense.  We will not surrender our Constitutional rights.  NO!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.s., I love your mail fraud charge idea LHP.  Smack em down with subpoenas up to their eyebrows…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL, not by a long shot.  But I am stubborn and prone to turning anger into avoiding obstacles rather than banging heads like Sarah’s gang of thugs.</p>
<p>So, I try, with mixed success, to think harder than the opposition.</p>
<p>Of this was borne a perhaps silly and unworkable idea but, with your indulgence, I will throw it out for comment, if warranted.  If not, just ignore.</p>
<p>In a case such as that of the misprinted NY ballots, would it be possible that a judge at some level, or some other official, could make a ruling allowing a one-for-one cure for the mistake.  Any person possessing a ballot with their own name on the official mailing envelope, might be given the right to turn in the misprinted one, and be issued a new, correctly printed one.  They might be required to sign an affidavit doohinkie and present photo i.d. to do it but, if they could, they would be allowed to submit the new ballot to be counted if they surrendered their erroneous old one.</p>
<p>I know, bad idea.  Absentee means the many of these people expect NOT to be present and available to vote in person on Election Day, so how do you reach them, yadda yadda.</p>
<p>But does this half-baked scheme idea prompt some sharper mind to come up with anything?  anything at all?</p>
<p>I’m getting extremely peeved at this disenfranchisement of voters shtick rearing its ugly head over and over and over!  Dang!  HOW do we get these &amp;*@#s to understand once and for all that we’re fed up with this nonsense.  We will not surrender our Constitutional rights.  NO!</p>
<p>p.s., I love your mail fraud charge idea LHP.  Smack em down with subpoenas up to their eyebrows…</p>
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		<title>By: vieravisionary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677506</link>
		<dc:creator>vieravisionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the information.  I just hope this “mistake” was truly a mistake.  If it was not, there needs to be legal action taken ASAP!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your great posts.  They are very informative and help me understand the legal aspects that we face in our society.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information.  I just hope this “mistake” was truly a mistake.  If it was not, there needs to be legal action taken ASAP!</p>
<p>Thanks for your great posts.  They are very informative and help me understand the legal aspects that we face in our society.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677485</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absentee ballots in NY go out through the mails. If it can be proven that a person or persons within the Board of Elections did this deliberately, thereby depriving or attemtping to deprive people of a thing of value–to wit–their vote&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you might have 300 counts of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_63.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mail fraud&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absentee ballots in NY go out through the mails. If it can be proven that a person or persons within the Board of Elections did this deliberately, thereby depriving or attemtping to deprive people of a thing of value–to wit–their vote</p>
<p>you might have 300 counts of <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_63.html" rel="nofollow">mail fraud</a></p>
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		<title>By: vieravisionary</title>
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		<dc:creator>vieravisionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;name not bame . . preview is my friend&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;still upset as well!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>name not bame . . preview is my friend</p>
<p>still upset as well!</p>
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		<title>By: vieravisionary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/10/provisional-ballots-the-new-hanging-chad/#comment-1677476</link>
		<dc:creator>vieravisionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are that any legal actions that can be taken to ensure that all ballots in every state are printed with B. Obama’s name spelled correctly?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This has really upset me personally and I am even more determined to ensure that this election is not stolen since I feel the course of our nation depends so heavily on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are that any legal actions that can be taken to ensure that all ballots in every state are printed with B. Obama’s name spelled correctly?</p>
<p>This has really upset me personally and I am even more determined to ensure that this election is not stolen since I feel the course of our nation depends so heavily on it.</p>
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